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Posted by Crazy Horse on January 6, 2007, at 14:20:14
I saw on the news the other day that 1 out of 4 people in the world believe Christ will return in 2007. Anyone believe this?
-Monte
Posted by rayww on January 6, 2007, at 22:33:10
In reply to Anyone think Jesus Christ will return in 2007?, posted by Crazy Horse on January 6, 2007, at 14:20:14
> I saw on the news the other day that 1 out of 4 people in the world believe Christ will return in 2007. Anyone believe this?
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> -MonteNope. This is just my opinion, but I see it as I see life. In life things get bad, and when you think they can't get any worse, they do. Then it passes, and we learn we can do it. Eventually we engage ourselves in the process, and start rising with the occasion.
When the people of the earth are ready He will come. He can wait, but we should watch and try to prepare ourselves to greet Him, because when that day comes it will be too late to prepare. If you want to know the real meaning of "left behind" It might start there.
I am a deeply religious person and this is something I take seriously. I think 2007 will see other things happen, but I don't think the return will take place then.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 7, 2007, at 19:48:16
In reply to Anyone think Jesus Christ will return in 2007?, posted by Crazy Horse on January 6, 2007, at 14:20:14
> I saw on the news the other day that 1 out of 4 people in the world believe Christ will return in 2007. Anyone believe this?
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> -MonteFriends,
It is written here,[...the news..1 out of 4..Christ will return..believe...?].
Let us look at what could be IMO some basic assumptions here made by at least the 1 out of 4 that the news say that believe that Christ will return. Are any of the following, in your opinions, what could be meant?
A. There {has been} a Christ?
B. That particular Christ left?
C. That Christ will return?
D. There is only one Christ?
E. That the Christ left the earth?
F. That the Christ will return in a body?
G. That the Christ will return to Jerusalem?
H. The sample of people to arrive at the 1 out of 4 are unkown as to who they are.
P. The news was from a Christian broadcasting co.
R. The Christ hasn't left?
S. a combination of the above
T. none of the above
W. something else
As I read the subject line, I am unsure as to all of what is entailed in the grammatical structure of it. Any comments will be appreciated so that I could have more knowlege in order to offer support from my perspective.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 9, 2007, at 11:20:42
In reply to Re: Anyone think Jesus Christ will return in 2007?, posted by rayww on January 6, 2007, at 22:33:10
> > I saw on the news the other day that 1 out of 4 people in the world believe Christ will return in 2007. Anyone believe this?
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> > -Monte
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> Nope. This is just my opinion, but I see it as I see life. In life things get bad, and when you think they can't get any worse, they do. Then it passes, and we learn we can do it. Eventually we engage ourselves in the process, and start rising with the occasion.
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> When the people of the earth are ready He will come. He can wait, but we should watch and try to prepare ourselves to greet Him, because when that day comes it will be too late to prepare. If you want to know the real meaning of "left behind" It might start there.
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> I am a deeply religious person and this is something I take seriously. I think 2007 will see other things happen, but I don't think the return will take place then.Friends,
It is written here,[...when the people of the earth are ready, He will come...we should watch and ..prepare..to greet Him..it will be too late..the return...]
I am unsure as to what the above entails. Could any of the following, in your opinions, be what the above means?
A. The {people of the earth} are {all} the people?
B. The {people of the earth} are only Christians?
C. The {people of the earth} are the Jews?
D. The {people of the earth} are something other than those listed above
If I could have more knowlege of what the above entails, I could offer support from my perspective.
Lou
Posted by rayww on January 10, 2007, at 7:30:43
In reply to Lou's request for clarification-pepoferth, posted by Lou Pilder on January 9, 2007, at 11:20:42
> > > I saw on the news the other day that 1 out of 4 people in the world believe Christ will return in 2007. Anyone believe this?
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> > > -Monte
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> > Nope. This is just my opinion, but I see it as I see life. In life things get bad, and when you think they can't get any worse, they do. Then it passes, and we learn we can do it. Eventually we engage ourselves in the process, and start rising with the occasion.
> >
> > When the people of the earth are ready He will come. He can wait, but we should watch and try to prepare ourselves to greet Him, because when that day comes it will be too late to prepare. If you want to know the real meaning of "left behind" It might start there.
> >
> > I am a deeply religious person and this is something I take seriously. I think 2007 will see other things happen, but I don't think the return will take place then.
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> Friends,
> It is written here,[...when the people of the earth are ready, He will come...we should watch and ..prepare..to greet Him..it will be too late..the return...]
> I am unsure as to what the above entails. Could any of the following, in your opinions, be what the above means?
> A. The {people of the earth} are {all} the people?
> B. The {people of the earth} are only Christians?
> C. The {people of the earth} are the Jews?
> D. The {people of the earth} are something other than those listed above
> If I could have more knowlege of what the above entails, I could offer support from my perspective.
> Lou
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Lou,
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(You know) Christians are the only people on the earth who believe Jesus is the Messiah. They must be ready when he comes. They must live up to their belief (by filling their lamps with oil). Messiah comes to everyone, and wickedness will end when He comes, as described in the OT. We will know who He is when He gets here."We" refers to Christians, Jews, Muslims, and anyone else who might be around when He comes.
"He" will come
"We" believe the Messiah will come.
"Some" don't believe it.
Does our belief about it make a difference? When He comes He comes and we will all know who He is then.
It takes faith to believe it now, without seeing.Is faith real?
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 10, 2007, at 18:41:31
In reply to Re: Lou's request for clarification-pepoferth, posted by rayww on January 10, 2007, at 7:30:43
> > > > I saw on the news the other day that 1 out of 4 people in the world believe Christ will return in 2007. Anyone believe this?
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> > > > -Monte
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> > > Nope. This is just my opinion, but I see it as I see life. In life things get bad, and when you think they can't get any worse, they do. Then it passes, and we learn we can do it. Eventually we engage ourselves in the process, and start rising with the occasion.
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> > > When the people of the earth are ready He will come. He can wait, but we should watch and try to prepare ourselves to greet Him, because when that day comes it will be too late to prepare. If you want to know the real meaning of "left behind" It might start there.
> > >
> > > I am a deeply religious person and this is something I take seriously. I think 2007 will see other things happen, but I don't think the return will take place then.
> >
> > Friends,
> > It is written here,[...when the people of the earth are ready, He will come...we should watch and ..prepare..to greet Him..it will be too late..the return...]
> > I am unsure as to what the above entails. Could any of the following, in your opinions, be what the above means?
> > A. The {people of the earth} are {all} the people?
> > B. The {people of the earth} are only Christians?
> > C. The {people of the earth} are the Jews?
> > D. The {people of the earth} are something other than those listed above
> > If I could have more knowlege of what the above entails, I could offer support from my perspective.
> > Lou
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> Lou,
> D.
> (You know) Christians are the only people on the earth who believe Jesus is the Messiah. They must be ready when he comes. They must live up to their belief (by filling their lamps with oil). Messiah comes to everyone, and wickedness will end when He comes, as described in the OT. We will know who He is when He gets here.
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> "We" refers to Christians, Jews, Muslims, and anyone else who might be around when He comes.
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> "He" will come
> "We" believe the Messiah will come.
> "Some" don't believe it.
> Does our belief about it make a difference? When He comes He comes and we will all know who He is then.
> It takes faith to believe it now, without seeing.
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> Is faith real?
Rayww,
In looking at my request for clarification, it was for anyone to clarify who the {people of the earth}, so that when (they) are ready,...].
I gave several choices, including that the choices did not identify who the {people of the earth} are, as in choice(D).
The grammatical structure of your reply has me unsure as to who you are identifying as those in {...When the >people of the earth< are ready...}.Your reply to me was,(D),[... those others than only the Jews or Christians or all the people...].
You wrote that >I know<. And you wrote that the {we} [...are all those around when...] and that the (...(we) are also those that believe Messiah will come...).
I am unsure as to who you are identifying as to the {people of the earth} that [...when >they< are ready...]. Being that choice (D) is something different from choice (A), which is {all} the people and you write that the {we} is all those around when...
So, could it be that you mean any of the following as to {who} in {when >the people of the earth< are ready} could be?
E.Those that are Christians and are preparing
F. Those that are Christians only when the event happens, preparing or not.
G. Those that are Christians and not preparing
H. Those that are Jews preparing
K. Those that are Jews and other faiths that are preparing
L. Those not preparing that are non-Christians
M. Those that are preparing that are non-Christians
N. Those non-Christians that [are {ready}]
R. Those that are looking for an appearing other than a visible appearing
S. Those that lived from 1914 up till now.
T. other interpretations
Lou
Posted by rayww on January 10, 2007, at 21:26:07
In reply to Lou's reply to rayww- » rayww, posted by Lou Pilder on January 10, 2007, at 18:41:31
I'm sorry I do not understand the gramatical contest of your requent.
What about mine? Is faith real?
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 12, 2007, at 10:20:17
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to rayww- » Lou Pilder, posted by rayww on January 10, 2007, at 21:26:07
> I'm sorry I do not understand the gramatical contest of your (requent).
> What about mine? Is faith real?rayww,
You wrote,[...I do not understand the {gramatical contest} of your {requent}...].
If you mean that you did not understand the grammatical {content} of my {request}, then perhaps some additional clarification could help in understanding.
The discussion here concerning eschatology could bring up,IMO, what is known as {premillenial dispensationalism}.
That system of prophetic theology could have the potential IMO to lead to bringing up Israel and the Jews into discussion. I would like to offer support and education from my perspective and feel that I could be better able to do so if I could better understand your reply to me.
What I see in your reply to me could have the potential IMO to bring up the book of Danial concerning the 70 weeks and the last week. It could also IMO have the potential to bring up Nebechadnezzer's dream concerning the world kingdoms.
There is also the potential IMO for this thread to foster what is known as [replacement theology} and I would like to be a discussant in this thread to offer support and education from my perspective, which is a different point of view concerning that doctrine if it is introduced here by the nature of some well-established systems of prophetic theology.
Lou
Posted by Crazy Horse on January 12, 2007, at 10:26:10
In reply to Lou's reply to rayww- » rayww, posted by Lou Pilder on January 12, 2007, at 10:20:17
Geez..a simple yes or no would suffice!
Posted by zazenduckie on January 14, 2007, at 11:22:13
In reply to Re: Anyone think Jesus Christ will return in 2007?, posted by rayww on January 6, 2007, at 22:33:10
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> Nope. This is just my opinion, but I see it as I see life. In life things get bad, and when you think they can't get any worse, they do. Then it passes, and we learn we can do it. Eventually we engage ourselves in the process, and start rising with the occasion.
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> When the people of the earth are ready He will come. He can wait, but we should watch and try to prepare ourselves to greet Him, because when that day comes it will be too late to prepare.But if they are ready won't they BE prepared? I mean if He isn't coming till they are ready how could it be too late?
>If you want to know the real meaning of "left behind" It might start there.I never read any of those books but I have heard of them and the video game too.
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> I am a deeply religious person and this is something I take seriously. I think 2007 will see other things happen, but I don't think the return will take place then.Do you believe in prophecy at all? I mean written prophesy like in the bible or I guess any prophecy at all? Do you think other prophecies will be fulfilled this year? Why do you not think the return will take place this year?
What would convince you that He was returning this year? How would your life be different if you believed that? That's what I ask myself.
Feel free to ignore me :)
Posted by zazenduckie on January 14, 2007, at 11:28:52
In reply to Lou's request for clarification-thenws, posted by Lou Pilder on January 7, 2007, at 19:48:16
Lou I tried to rephrase so you might offer your opinion. I know this is a different question but I really wonder what you think.
Will it happen this year?
Posted by zazenduckie on January 14, 2007, at 11:50:42
In reply to Anyone think Jesus Christ will return in 2007?, posted by Crazy Horse on January 6, 2007, at 14:20:14
And meanwhile in Iran.....
All streams of Islam believe in a divine saviour, known as the Mahdi, who will appear at the End of Days. A common rumour - denied by the government but widely believed - is that Mr Ahmadinejad and his cabinet have signed a "contract" pledging themselves to work for the return of the Mahdi and sent it to Jamkaran.Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect believes this will be Mohammed ibn Hasan, regarded as the 12th Imam, or righteous descendant of the Prophet Mohammad.
He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the ninth century, at the age of five. His return will be preceded by ********the Mahdi will lead the world to an era of universal peace.
This is similar to the Christian vision of the Apocalypse. Indeed, the Hidden Imam is expected to return in the company of Jesus.
...from the Telegraph uk web site
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 14, 2007, at 13:12:39
In reply to Is the end of time near? » Lou Pilder, posted by zazenduckie on January 14, 2007, at 11:28:52
> Lou I tried to rephrase so you might offer your opinion. I know this is a different question but I really wonder what you think.
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> Will it happen this year?
ZZ,
You wrote,[..I really wonder what you think...Will {it } happen?...].
ZZDuck,
Could you elaborate as to what you mean by {it} and at the same time what you use as an authority for what you mean? If the authority that you will use are verses from the Christian bible, is there a verse that you could list that uses the complete phrase,{>second< comming}? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. If you could not, then could you list a Bible phrase, if you are using the bible as an authority, that you use for the {it} in your question to me here? If then, I could have the opportunity to reply to your question to me for I am unsure as to what you mean by {it}.
Lou
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Posted by zazenduckie on January 14, 2007, at 15:57:18
In reply to Lou's reply to ZZDuck-wilithap » zazenduckie, posted by Lou Pilder on January 14, 2007, at 13:12:39
> > Lou I tried to rephrase so you might offer your opinion. I know this is a different question but I really wonder what you think.
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> > Will it happen this year?
> ZZ,
> You wrote,[..I really wonder what you think...Will {it } happen?...].
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> ZZDuck,
> Could you elaborate as to what you mean by {it}the end of time
>and at the same time what you use as an authority for what you mean?no authority
>If the authority that you will use are verses from the Christian bible, is there a verse that you could list that uses the complete phrase,{>second< comming}? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. If you could not, then could you list a Bible phrase, if you are using the bible as an authority, that you use for the {it} in your question to me here?
I am not using the bible for an authority. I was wondering if you thought time would end and if so when. I remember your old posts about the Rider and wondered if he had told you anything about time ending.
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Posted by Lou Pilder on January 14, 2007, at 16:07:37
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to ZZDuck-wilithap, posted by zazenduckie on January 14, 2007, at 15:57:18
> > > Lou I tried to rephrase so you might offer your opinion. I know this is a different question but I really wonder what you think.
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> > > Will it happen this year?
> > ZZ,
> > You wrote,[..I really wonder what you think...Will {it } happen?...].
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> > ZZDuck,
> > Could you elaborate as to what you mean by {it}
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> >If the authority that you will use are verses from the Christian bible, is there a verse that you could list that uses the complete phrase,{>second< comming}? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. If you could not, then could you list a Bible phrase, if you are using the bible as an authority, that you use for the {it} in your question to me here?
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> I am not using the bible for an authority. I was wondering if you thought time would end and if so when. I remember your old posts about the Rider and wondered if he had told you anything about time ending.ZZ,
You wrote,[...the Rider..told you anything about..ending?...]
Thee was a discussion concerning your question,[...the end of time...].
Lou
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Posted by rayww on January 14, 2007, at 22:40:39
In reply to Re: Anyone think Jesus Christ will return in 2007? » rayww, posted by zazenduckie on January 14, 2007, at 11:22:13
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> But if they are ready won't they BE prepared? I mean if He isn't coming till they are ready how could it be too late?
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<There will definately be two groups when He comes. Those who love and those who hate.
> Do you believe in prophecy at all? I mean written prophesy like in the bible or I guess any prophecy at all?<<I believe in prophecy from God to both modern and ancient prophets.
>>Do you think other prophecies will be fulfilled this year?
<<<Of course. The OT Book of Isaiah says the prophesies will be recognized at the time they take place. That's how it is with all prophecy. You cannot predict when, but as soon as it happens you know, at least those who read their scriptures would.
>>Why do you not think the return will take place this year?
<<Because
People of my version of Christianity believe:
Israel has not "almost" been defeated.
The temple in Jerusalem has not been built.
The Lost 10 Tribes have not returned via the hiway built over the north.
2 prophets have not been killed, their bodies left on the streets for 3 days, and their resurrection shown on the news.
American Natives have not fulfilled their destiny,
Christianity has not yet been taken to the whole earth.
The stars haven't fallen from heaven,
the water hasn't turned to blood.That's a few off the top of my head.
When we see these events take place, even though it will be hard to get through, it is a time to rejoice and be glad.
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> What would convince you that He was returning this year?<<<If I saw Him return.
>>>How would your life be different if you believed that? That's what I ask myself.
<<<We should live every day as though He will come. That's how we prepare.
I would guess 2020, because that is perfect vision. No other reason. I calculated it one time and came up with 2024. It is fun to guess, and an exciting time we live in.
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Posted by Lou Pilder on January 15, 2007, at 15:48:54
In reply to Is the end of time near? » Lou Pilder, posted by zazenduckie on January 14, 2007, at 11:28:52
> Lou I tried to rephrase so you might offer your opinion. I know this is a different question but I really wonder what you think.
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ZZ,
I would like to reply to your question to me but I am unsure as to what you exactly are refering to.
You wrote,[...I tried to {rephrase}...].
I am unsure if you are meaning that you wanted to have the same question as the innitiator of this thread, ie that there is a question as to if {Christ will return}, but then you wrote,[...is the end time near?...] Then did you not also write,[...the end of time...]?
What I am unsure of is if you are saying that the {return of Christ} has some connection or not with {the end time}, which I consider to be different from {the end of time}.
If you could clarify this, then I think that I could post a better reply.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 15, 2007, at 19:05:47
In reply to Lou's request to ZZDuck for clarification » zazenduckie, posted by Lou Pilder on January 15, 2007, at 15:48:54
> > Lou I tried to rephrase so you might offer your opinion. I know this is a different question but I really wonder what you think.
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> ZZ,
> I would like to reply to your question to me but I am unsure as to what you exactly are refering to.
> You wrote,[...I tried to {rephrase}...].
> I am unsure if you are meaning that you wanted to have the same question as the innitiator of this thread, ie that there is a question as to if {Christ will return}, but then you wrote,[...is the end time near?...] Then did you not also write,[...the end of time...]?
> What I am unsure of is if you are saying that the {return of Christ} has some connection or not with {the end time}, which I consider to be different from {the end of time}.
> If you could clarify this, then I think that I could post a better reply.
> Lou
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ZZ,
The part of your post that I am unsure about is that {the return of Christ} is generally meant in many Christian groups to mean the {time of the end} or, {the end times}.
That is different from {the end of time}. The {time of the end} generally is meant by many Christian groups to have signs to indicate that the {end time} is approaching and that the bible is used as an authority. But there are many different ideas concerning this. And since the thread is about {the return of Christ},is that what you would want to be tied into any response from me or is your question of the nature that it could belong in a separate thread?
Lou
Posted by Declan on January 16, 2007, at 1:12:34
In reply to Anyone awaiting the hidden imam?, posted by zazenduckie on January 14, 2007, at 11:50:42
The Hidden Imam would be OK with me (not as good as extinction, but acceptable) if I could get into that particular Paradise.
Eternity is a long time and I don't want to spend it in suburbia.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2007, at 7:25:47
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to rayww-, posted by Crazy Horse on January 12, 2007, at 10:26:10
Crazy Horse,
You wrote,[...(redacted by respondant)..a simple yes or no would suffice!...].
If this is directed to me, then I am unsure as to what question is the one that you write that a simple yes or no would suffice.
Your post was in reply to my reply to rayww. In that post, there was a question to me as to;
A. [...is faith real?...]
But there is also the overiding question that you have in your innitiation of the thread concerning the {return of Christ}. So I am unsure as to which question that you are referring to in your statement[...a simple yes or no...]
If it is the question to me from rayww about [...is faith real..], then I am considering a reply to that question but I think that a separate thread could be called for to answer that question because your innitiation of the thread is concerning {the return of Christ} and I think that if another destination is gone to, that that could be better accomplished IMO by establishing a separate thread.
Could you clarify, then, as to if your statement,[..a simple yes or ne...] is about rayww's question to me, or your question in the innitiation of the thread or someting else? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by zazenduckie on January 23, 2007, at 17:47:54
In reply to Lou's request to ZZDuck for clarification-B » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on January 15, 2007, at 19:05:47
Sorry Lou, it probably belonged in a seperate thread. I'll just withdraw the question.
This is the end of the thread.
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