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Posted by spriggy on July 23, 2005, at 14:00:06
I am at a weird place in my life right now. God has never required me to have more trust in Him as I am having to right now.Sometimes that trust comes when I don't hear Him, or see Him at work... because then it becomes easy to doubt Him.
Anyway, here is what has spoken so much to my heart lately, : " Sometimes God is silent but God is NEVER absent."
There is such a difference.
Posted by MidnightBlue on July 23, 2005, at 14:51:33
In reply to Something about God that is brief but good..., posted by spriggy on July 23, 2005, at 14:00:06
Spriggy,
I really needed to read that today. Not a great week.......
MidnightBlue
Anyway, here is what has spoken so much to my heart lately, : " Sometimes God is silent but God is NEVER absent."
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> There is such a difference.
Posted by dazedandconfused on July 23, 2005, at 15:13:51
In reply to Something about God that is brief but good..., posted by spriggy on July 23, 2005, at 14:00:06
Another one I like:
God never said it would be easy;
God said you will never walk alone.dazed
Posted by crazy teresa on July 23, 2005, at 15:14:03
In reply to Re: Something about God that is brief but good..., posted by MidnightBlue on July 23, 2005, at 14:51:33
Be still and know...but it's so hard to sit still!!!
t
Posted by Dena on July 23, 2005, at 15:43:55
In reply to Re: Something about God that is brief but good... » MidnightBlue, posted by crazy teresa on July 23, 2005, at 15:14:03
> Be still and know...but it's so hard to sit still!!!
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> tYou said it!
I'm likely to pray on the fly... and expect God to catch up with me...!
Which, in His mercy, He does. I hear him through diverse methods... billboards, license plates, snippets of radio messages, sermons, my chidren, what I say TO my children (gotta love those!), and wildlife (yay for bunnies!)...
Sitting still and waiting for His still, small voice... well, I can be driven to distraction! I hear such a cacophany in my head (I call them the "committee")(no, I'm not totally MPD/DID, but I can dissociate with the best of 'em!)... it's hard to know who I'm hearing... til I ask for clarification... and then - it never fails - He speaks through SOMETHING...
... usually it's a sort of "knowing"... and I get that peace that "passes all understanding", despite the insanity of my circumstances.
Spriggy - I hear you about learning to trust God! Tougher than anything else to learn! Especially when you THINK you trust Him, and then difficult circumstances go deep, and you find out - to your horror and chagrin! - that you don't trust Him as much as you thought you did...
... or that He wants you to go even deeper into trust than you ever thought possible..
... and the way there is to go deeper into pain and suffering (which none of us would volunteer for, at least *I* wouldn't go there without some divine intervention!).
I could be waaaaaay off on what you're talking about, but it's what I've been experiencing in trying to sell my house in a "hot" market for the past 5 months... while everyone else around me is moving on.
Evidently I inadvertently signed up for the "Job plan" of house marketing...!
I pray that you WILL go deeper, WILL learn more trust, and WILL find perfect peace - despite it ALL!!!
Shalom, Dena
Posted by rayww on July 23, 2005, at 21:04:43
In reply to Something about God that is brief but good..., posted by spriggy on July 23, 2005, at 14:00:06
Hang on spriggy. The space between the believers and non believers will get wider as time goes on, or as the world climaxes. All you need to do is be sure you are on the right side. It will all work out in the end.
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> I am at a weird place in my life right now. God has never required me to have more trust in Him as I am having to right now.
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> Sometimes that trust comes when I don't hear Him, or see Him at work... because then it becomes easy to doubt Him.
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> Anyway, here is what has spoken so much to my heart lately, : " Sometimes God is silent but God is NEVER absent."
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> There is such a difference.
Posted by MidnightBlue on July 23, 2005, at 21:23:14
In reply to Re: Something about God that is brief but good... » MidnightBlue, posted by crazy teresa on July 23, 2005, at 15:14:03
Actually I'm real good at the "still" part. It is the "knowing" I lose sight of.
{MidnightBlue}
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 23, 2005, at 22:36:27
In reply to Re: Something about God that is brief but good... » spriggy, posted by rayww on July 23, 2005, at 21:04:43
Friends,
I am requesting that you consider asking yourselves the following if you are going to reply to this thread.
A. Who are the "believers" mentioned in this thread?
B. Who then, are the non-believers?
C. Which side is the right side that one writes here to be sure to be on?
D. What is the "climax" of the world?
Lou
Posted by crazy teresa on July 24, 2005, at 1:22:46
In reply to Lou's response to aspects ofthi thread-whowhowhich, posted by Lou Pilder on July 23, 2005, at 22:36:27
Lou Pilder,
Would you like for me, crazy teresa, to simply consider questions A., B., C., and D., which you have asked me as your friend to consider in your post, which is directly above this post, (unless another human entity equally qualified to post posts to your submitted post before I, myself, am finished posting this post) before I post in reference to this thread, or would you prefer that once I have considered what you have posted in your post (quite possibly directly above the post I am currently preparing to post) that I should, in response to your post regarding such questions, clarify this conversation for you and reply in a timely manner with an answer to each of the aforementioned inquiries insomuch as I was a part of the post as it was being posted, (unless of course once again my post is not posted as I hope it is to be posted?)
teresa
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 24, 2005, at 14:35:53
In reply to Re: Something about God that is brief but good... » spriggy, posted by rayww on July 23, 2005, at 21:04:43
> be sure you are on the right side.
Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to put down other faiths, could you please rephrase that? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 24, 2005, at 20:11:28
In reply to Re: crazy teresa's response to lou's questioning » Lou Pilder, posted by crazy teresa on July 24, 2005, at 1:22:46
> Lou Pilder,
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> Would you like for me, crazy teresa, to simply consider questions A., B., C., and D., which you have asked me as your friend to consider in your post, which is directly above this post, (unless another human entity equally qualified to post posts to your submitted post before I, myself, am finished posting this post) before I post in reference to this thread, or would you prefer that once I have considered what you have posted in your post (quite possibly directly above the post I am currently preparing to post) that I should, in response to your post regarding such questions, clarify this conversation for you and reply in a timely manner with an answer to each of the aforementioned inquiries insomuch as I was a part of the post as it was being posted, (unless of course once again my post is not posted as I hope it is to be posted?)
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> teresateresa,
You wrote,[...you have asked me,{as your friend}...]
Thank you for being a friend
Lou
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Posted by Lou Pilder on July 24, 2005, at 20:28:02
In reply to Re: crazy teresa's response to lou's questioning » Lou Pilder, posted by crazy teresa on July 24, 2005, at 1:22:46
> Lou Pilder,
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> Would you like for me, crazy teresa, to simply consider questions A., B., C., and D., which you have asked me as your friend to consider in your post, which is directly above this post, (unless another human entity equally qualified to post posts to your submitted post before I, myself, am finished posting this post) before I post in reference to this thread, or would you prefer that once I have considered what you have posted in your post (quite possibly directly above the post I am currently preparing to post) that I should, in response to your post regarding such questions, clarify this conversation for you and reply in a timely manner with an answer to each of the aforementioned inquiries insomuch as I was a part of the post as it was being posted, (unless of course once again my post is not posted as I hope it is to be posted?)
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> teresa
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teresa,
You wrote,[...or would you prefer...that I...clarify...?]
My post was a request for anyone to consider what I asked if they are going to reply to this thread. I think that [clarification} could give more light in this discussion and I am awaiting any clarification that you wish to write here.
In particular, but not limited to, the part about [...{the right side}...] and [...{the believers}...]. For instance, if someone said,"I'm a believer",in relation to this thread, what , in your opinion, could they mean?
Lou
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Posted by crazy teresa on July 24, 2005, at 21:05:52
In reply to Lou's response to aspects ofthi thread-whowhowhich, posted by Lou Pilder on July 23, 2005, at 22:36:27
> Friends,
> I am requesting that you consider asking yourselves the following if you are going to reply to this thread.
> A. Who are the "believers" mentioned in this thread?This particular thread was referring to those who currently believe in and have been saved by Jesus, the Son of God. I include saved by because even Satan believes in God.
> B. Who then, are the non-believers?This particular thread was referring to those who currently may or may not believe in but have not been saved by Jesus.
> C. Which side is the right side that one writes here to be sure to be on?I believe he was referring to the side of the believers, but he was blocked for this post.
> D. What is the "climax" of the world?Specifically, I am not sure, but I will guess (since he has been blocked) he was referring to either the resurrection of the wicked that takes place after the millenial reign of Jesus or the Great White Throne Judgement. But, there are several different interpetations regarding the order in which the prophecies will occur when they come to fruition.
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 24, 2005, at 22:17:48
In reply to Re: Lou's response to aspects ofthi thread-whowhowhich » Lou Pilder, posted by crazy teresa on July 24, 2005, at 21:05:52
> > Friends,
> > I am requesting that you consider asking yourselves the following if you are going to reply to this thread.
> > A. Who are the "believers" mentioned in this thread?
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> This particular thread was referring to those who currently believe in and have been saved by Jesus, the Son of God. I include saved by because even Satan believes in God.
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> > B. Who then, are the non-believers?
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> This particular thread was referring to those who currently may or may not believe in but have not been saved by Jesus.
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> > C. Which side is the right side that one writes here to be sure to be on?
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> I believe he was referring to the side of the believers, but he was blocked for this post.
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> > D. What is the "climax" of the world?
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> Specifically, I am not sure, but I will guess (since he has been blocked) he was referring to either the resurrection of the wicked that takes place after the millenial reign of Jesus or the Great White Throne Judgement. But, there are several different interpetations regarding the order in which the prophecies will occur when they come to fruition.
>
>Friends,
It is written above that the belivers in this thread are,[...those that believe in,{and} those that are (saved by Jesus)...].
It is also written in the above that the {nonbelievers} in this thread are,[...those that currently may or may not believe in but have not been saved by Jesus...].
I am requesting that anyone clarify the following as to according to what is posted here:
A. Are there two types of believers in this thread?
B. Is one type of a believer one that believes in Jesus and the other type of believer that belives in Jesus {and} is saved by Jesus?
C. If there are two types of believers, then is a nonbeliever a believer in Jesus that is not saved by Jesus?
D. Can there then be a person in this thread that is a believer that is a nonbeliever simultaneously?
E. If a person does not believe in Jesus, could they be a "believer"?
F. Could a person not believe in Jesus and be saved?
G. Can a person not believe in Jesus and be {saved by Jesus}
H. Can a person be saved and be a nonbeliever?
K. other interpretations
Lou
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Posted by rayww on July 24, 2005, at 22:56:03
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » rayww, posted by Dr. Bob on July 24, 2005, at 14:35:53
My understanding of who's a believer has nothing to do with being saved, and everything to do with:
rephrase: be sure you are "Standing for Something"
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> Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to put down other faiths, could you please rephrase that? Thanks,
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> Bob
Posted by crazy teresa on July 24, 2005, at 22:59:23
In reply to Lou's response to aspects of this thread-simo, posted by Lou Pilder on July 24, 2005, at 22:17:48
> A. Are there two types of believers in this thread?
There would be three: one who believes and is saved, one who believes and is not saved and one who does not believe.
> B. Is one type of a believer one that believes in Jesus and the other type of believer that belives in Jesus {and} is saved by Jesus?
Yes. Religions other than the Christian religion believe that Jesus existed, but as a prophet, not as the Son of God.
> C. If there are two types of believers, then is a nonbeliever a believer in Jesus that is not saved by Jesus?
Someone can believe in Jesus but still not be saved, according to Christian beliefs.
> D. Can there then be a person in this thread that is a believer that is a nonbeliever simultaneously?
I do not see how this would be possible.
> E. If a person does not believe in Jesus, could they be a "believer"?The word itself is not reserved specifically for reference to Jesus. Conceivably you could believe in anything. In the context of this thread, the answer would be no.
> F. Could a person not believe in Jesus and be saved?
No.
> G. Can a person not believe in Jesus and be {saved by Jesus}
No.
> H. Can a person be saved and be a nonbeliever?
No.
Posted by crazy teresa on July 24, 2005, at 23:20:46
In reply to Re: please rephrase that, posted by rayww on July 24, 2005, at 22:56:03
What are the 10 neglected virtues?
t
Posted by rayww on July 25, 2005, at 17:24:06
In reply to Re: Lou's response to aspects of this thread-simo, posted by crazy teresa on July 24, 2005, at 22:59:23
http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=judge+according&qs_version=51
......doesn't the final judgement have something to do with salvation? (skip a couple here)
If not, why do we have to at some point stand accountable for our actions to God, for both the good we have done, and the unrepented other? People of my faith believe that was the whole point of the atonement. We repent, believe and accept Jesus so we don't have to suffer for our own sins. He weeps when we don't. http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=god+weep&newsearch=ok&NT=1&PGP=1&SH=1&TX=1&SM=1&search.x=33&search.y=8
and so do we.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 26, 2005, at 0:33:30
In reply to Re: Lou's response to aspects of this thread-simo, posted by crazy teresa on July 24, 2005, at 22:59:23
> > F. Could a person not believe in Jesus and be saved?
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> No.
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> > G. Can a person not believe in Jesus and be {saved by Jesus}
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> No.
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> > H. Can a person be saved and be a nonbeliever?
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> No.Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to put down other faiths, could you please rephrase that?
If you're interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see these specific examples:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7889.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by crazy teresa on July 26, 2005, at 7:07:43
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » crazy teresa, posted by Dr. Bob on July 26, 2005, at 0:33:30
And for future reference, I will no longer answer Lou Pilder. I am of the opinion that he may not want to be my friend.
> > F. Could a person not believe in Jesus and be saved?
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> That would depend on whether or not one's friends chose to alert you to the speeding bus approaching as you step off the curb.
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> > G. Can a person not believe in Jesus and be {saved by Jesus}
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>Not as far as I know, but I believe someday we will find out.
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> > H. Can a person be saved and be a nonbeliever?
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> Please refer back to answer F.
Posted by rayww on July 26, 2005, at 9:35:19
In reply to Re: Lou's response to aspects of this thread-simo, posted by crazy teresa on July 24, 2005, at 22:59:23
Rats! I rephrased this for you yesterday, but before I posted it my power flickered off and on, thus I lost it, then I decided that it must not have been good, and so all I posted was the scriptures, because I was so depressed. You are wise to not answer questions that may get you blocked.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 26, 2005, at 23:07:13
In reply to I would be delighted to, Dr. Bob! » Dr. Bob, posted by crazy teresa on July 26, 2005, at 7:07:43
> I am of the opinion that he may not want to be my friend.
Sorry, but please don't jump to conclusions about others or post anything that could lead them to feel accused. I've asked you to be civil before, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by cockeyed on July 29, 2005, at 2:01:01
In reply to Re: Lou's response to aspects of this thread-simo, posted by crazy teresa on July 24, 2005, at 22:59:23
Pardon me but I've tried to follow this thread and can't. I simply don't understand it. It reminds me of my college days...a catholic U...
"how many angels can dance on he head of a pin?"
I know there was a point to this question. I also think I understand the concept of a "climax" as in the world as we now know it, coming to an end? But is the point of this dis-cussion dependent upon religious beliefs which may or may not be accessible to many? I find that I'm presented with a serious problem about the word "believer" Maybe this stuff belongs in politics.? cockeyed.
Posted by Jakeman on July 30, 2005, at 2:54:14
In reply to Lou's response to aspects ofthi thread-whowhowhich, posted by Lou Pilder on July 23, 2005, at 22:36:27
Lou you make some valuable contributions to this board but I have to say they are extremely confusing.
warm regards ~Jake
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 30, 2005, at 7:14:25
In reply to Re: Lou's response to aspects ofthi thread-whowhowhich » Lou Pilder, posted by Jakeman on July 30, 2005, at 2:54:14
> Lou you make some valuable contributions to this board but I have to say they are extremely confusing.
>
> warm regards ~JakeJakeman,
You wrote,[...valuable contributions...confusing...].
Could you list any of the,in your opinion, valuable contributions?
Also, what would you like to be clarified as to the confusion that you wrote about?
Lou
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