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Posted by rayww on December 26, 2004, at 13:18:33
I have been reading a bit over at Politics and Social, and can see the spiritual side of most topics. Why don't these topics reach Faith? Do we not link faith and spirituality to all topics? And why are so many writers so against bringing up their faith issues? On Admin there is a lot said against me and faith, but do I cower? Yet as soon as some faith's topic is attacked they leave. I challenge anyone to pick any topic from any of the other boards and try write to the faith/spiritual side of it. But will anyone listen to me? I doubt it. Because I'm a pouty, re-acting Mormon. whine, whine.
Anyway, Merry Holidays.
Posted by 64bowtie on December 28, 2004, at 13:30:32
In reply to All things spiritual, posted by rayww on December 26, 2004, at 13:18:33
....I observed that we each have three worlds. We are have an emotional world. We have a physical/logical world. We have a spiritual world.
I deduced that we are inexorably connected to our spiritual self, as well as our emotional self and our physical/logical self. Later, I further deduced that the most effective use this knowledge was to find an appropriate balance between the worlds.
We are here to survive here, and to have an effect here, that works toward the common good here. I can do this with or without the rewards of heaven or the fear of hell. I can do good for goodness sake and the common good; and I will...
Rod
Posted by Dinah on December 30, 2004, at 0:02:14
In reply to Back when I was a primate....., posted by 64bowtie on December 28, 2004, at 13:30:32
Did you used to do good or avoid bad for the carrot and stick of heaven and hell? I never did, I don't think. I'm not sure I know anyone who did either... At least not that they decided to broadcast, and I never thought to ask.
I don't have much of a belief system about the afterlife. I figure this life is God's gift to me and it's more than enough. It would seem almost rude of me (to my notions of politeness anyway) to ask if he intended better for me after I died. At any rate, I trust God with all my heart and mind to do what's best for mankind in general and me in particular with regard to whatever happens to the "soul".
I think I know people who do good in part because they love God and want to celebrate him by doing his will. But that's a different thing altogether.
I would think that God would prefer that good be done for goodness' sake or for his sake rather than in hopes of reward or fear of punishment.
But then, I'm not God so I shouldn't speak for him, I guess. (Surely the matter must be addressed in the Bible somewhere though.)
Posted by rayww on December 30, 2004, at 0:54:17
In reply to Back when I was a primate....., posted by 64bowtie on December 28, 2004, at 13:30:32
...rewards of heaven
...fear of hell
...do good for right reasons.Hmmm. Me thinks you hit nail on head.
Without getting into the what I think you think I think scenario, let me just ask if you think true Christians (followers of Christ) do what they do out of fear of hell/rewards of heaven, or out of love for God and fellowmen?The world needs people who will do good for the sake of goodness, play it forward, do a good turn for someone every day, etc. Whether they do or don't believe in God, it is still good. Thank-you for serving your fellow men. I love you for that.
Christians know full well, that if they don't love their fellowmen they cannot say they love their God, for the love of God is made manifest by how we treat one another. Christ even comes right out and says we are liars and the truth is not in us if we say we love God, but rip off our neighbor. http://scriptures.lds.org/1_jn/4/20#20
It isn't easy to walk the talk, but at least we have the gospel to teach us the way.It is good that you have the vision of goodness just because you do, but is doing good because the love of God is in you, bad?
I wonder if non Christians think we do good out of fear of going to hell if we don't, or to earn brownie points in heaven if we do. I love God, and recognize his presence and support in my life. He lives in our trenches, and stays close to our side as we lift ourselves out. I might say He lifts us out, but it sure feels like work on my part.Back when you were a primate and learned about spirit, emotion, and body, did you think to pray? Can you name one thing in life that isn't all three? In scripture spiritual is sometimes referred to as faith, emotional as hope, and physical as charity. Keeping balance may be as easy as a simple awareness. Some try really hard to block out the spirit. Is it a pride or ego thing?
The world has a great opportunity right now to show love toward their fellowmen. We watch their devastation and see their suffering. We are without excuse, and should give all that we can. If you don't know how to help, here's a way I trust. http://www.providentliving.org/content/display/0,11666,5595-1-2910-1,00.html
Posted by 64bowtie on December 31, 2004, at 4:34:30
In reply to Re: Back when I was a primate..... » 64bowtie, posted by Dinah on December 30, 2004, at 0:02:14
((((Dinah)))),
<<< You continue to amaze me... My heart is yours, I say head bowed, down on one knee.....!
> Did you used to do good or avoid bad for the carrot and stick of heaven and hell? >
<<< I didn't see the options then... or held them in contempt... I did what I was supposed to... alot!
> I don't have much of a belief system about the afterlife. I figure this life is God's gift to me and it's more than enough. ><<< I like your "lack of afterlife"... The percetntages are in your favor either way, Sweetie!
> It would seem almost rude of me to ask... >
<<< Way Rude... and me toooo, I don't tell God how to be or ask favors... Way rude! Yes! Trust is the magic word...
< I know that I can love you without ever laying eyes on you... I can love you and care for you without obligation or expectation... I can love you with or without your approval of me and my dogs and ponys....
< My hope is, that what I sensed in the past few weeks is your emancipation (social emancipation) from whatever might trouble you about yourself. I am excited to watch your blossoming from this point on... What a flourabunda that will be....
Rod
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