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Posted by 64Bowtie on January 28, 2004, at 5:14:57
“There is no belief worth killing for. There is no belief worth dying for”, Krishnamurti, 1938.
I found information about a movement whose motto is its title:
"Earthlings Against Mercenary Suicide"
Their arguement is that in the Middle East, even those who blow themselves up without compensation are advancing the causes of their religious prelates when the prelate promises them heaven. This might even equate to a compensation for advertising. Those who blow themselves up because they are desparate for the $25,000 offered, are argued to be missing the point of heaven in the first place.
The "Earthlings" title caught my attention. Are they trying to be ecumenical, or just non-denominational?
Rod
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 28, 2004, at 19:01:36
In reply to - Faith is not a weapon! - Hmmm..., posted by 64Bowtie on January 28, 2004, at 5:14:57
> Those who blow themselves up because they are desparate for the $25,000 offered, are argued to be missing the point of heaven in the first place.
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Posted by 64Bowtie on January 28, 2004, at 21:23:05
In reply to Re: please be civil » 64Bowtie, posted by Dr. Bob on January 28, 2004, at 19:01:36
Posted by rayww on February 3, 2004, at 1:43:32
In reply to - Faith is not a weapon! - Hmmm..., posted by 64Bowtie on January 28, 2004, at 5:14:57
I like your title, but I think faith is the greatest weapon of all against evil. Faith is the only real weapon. Too bad understanding is missing, and add a little knowledge, wisdom, love, compassion. We live in a day when as the Lord forewarned, there is confusion between what is good and evil (little understatement there)
Sometimes I try to imagine what life will be like in a perfect world. I look forward to the Return for that very reason.
Posted by 64Bowtie on February 6, 2004, at 23:21:06
In reply to Re: - Faith is not a weapon! - Hmmm..., posted by rayww on February 3, 2004, at 1:43:32
Thanx for your response. I want more dialog is one reason I'm here.
>>>Faith is the only real weapon...???
<<<One question: why do you see fit to tell God how to be?
Oral human tradition followed by human testimony tells us about what a few slaves of Pharoah thought would be a good model of God. They carefully sculptured God in their image and likeness and cut off any notion that God's world even existed before 6,000 years ago, coinciding with the earliest evidence of the oral tradition. (Less for humans to explain with one voice about who we are, and how and when we got here).
I am happy knowing that God is doing God's work, in God's way, and in God-time. I ask no favors nor special consideration. I also am in no way obligated to believe in God, since God just is. I accept whatever God wants to be, or even change into at a whim, and still pledge my allegiance without obligation. Can you do that?
Personified evil is a waste of vanity and arrogance by anyone not willing to accept their personal limitations and dysfunction as the human manifestation of evil where ever humans are. I intuit that God would never waste the time or effort keeping a "motherly eye" on anyone to see if they goof up and respond to the siren songs of that witty character known as the devil.
When you take that first step toward defining evil as someone or something you must use violence to vanquish, you miss the whole point. If our mission is to bring order out of chaos, violence toward the devil by wielding faith as a weapon is now a step backward and not good for mankind.
If I look at the evil I could potentially perpetrate, its more than enough of a job to overcome it all. I don't need to go committing violence against extrinsic and personified sources of evil until I clean up my own mess. I accept on faith that God gave me the tools and the plan for doing just that. I need no reward from God for doing what I am able to do by design.
Rod
Posted by 64Bowtie on February 6, 2004, at 23:46:35
In reply to Re: - Faith is not a weapon! - Hmmm..., posted by rayww on February 3, 2004, at 1:43:32
OBTW, is it an act of faith when a person blows themselves up for money, killing everyone toooo close to escape the stupidity?
Rod
Posted by rayww on February 7, 2004, at 8:41:52
In reply to Re: Re: Why do I hear a Faith question » rayww, posted by 64Bowtie on February 6, 2004, at 23:21:06
Isn't *overcoming* the only real war or battle we face? I see no violence there.
Satan is the war monger. God's stand is for the rights of family and freedom. But that should be a war of love, not hate on God's part. Love against hate (hate against love) Satan against God, evil against good, wrong against right. Much of the war against wrong lies right inside the overcoming. The way to put evil aside is to pay no heed to it. If everyone did that evil would be bound. http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/20/22#22
But to not define evil is like wearing blinders and pretending it does not exist.
Posted by rayww on February 7, 2004, at 8:50:48
In reply to You say Faith is the Only Weapon? » rayww, posted by 64Bowtie on February 6, 2004, at 23:46:35
Faith to be faith must be grounded in God the Eternal Father. Anything less is something else. Call it confidence, realization, pride, but don't call it faith.
If I plant a seed of corn and have faith that it will grow a tree, it won't matter how much faith I have in the tree, it's not going to happen. Dumb example, I'm sure there are better ones.
You're wondering about suicide bombers and the like? Think of the audience they face the very moment they enter into the world of spirits. Talk about accountability. ANd trouble. Sure, they will face God. Everyone who dies, as soon as they die go back to greet the God who gave them life, but then what? That is the question.
http://scriptures.lds.org/alma/40/11#11
Posted by 64Bowtie on February 7, 2004, at 12:18:59
In reply to Re: Re: Why do I hear a Faith question, posted by rayww on February 7, 2004, at 8:41:52
I promise not to deminish you by discussing your beliefs. I may not trust the testimony-of-man that you trust. That could be my failing. Time will tell.
By age 15, I had done one to two page book reports on the literature of the Bible, all 72 books as established at the council of Nicea around 360 AD. 1100 years later that testimony was no longer valid. So new testimony was adopted, but never world wide, and only among 15% of mankind. I resist nothing I studied and I still don't. I can agree to disagree and still not resist. Jesus recommended we all do that when ever the time is right.
You shared...
>>>But to not define evil is like wearing blinders and pretending it does not exist.I had defined evil as...
<<<Earthling dysfunctional behavior is the only evil I see, over, and over, and over again. Some times man being evil to man when he doesn't really have to, is clearly evil. He is not evil. He does act evilly (if there is such a word). Do you quarrel that this man I make reference to is not evil because the devil goads him into evil acts?To the matter that man is not intrinsically evil, we obviously agree.
Isn't competency of the person accused of evil acts worth studying? Won't the devil tire with this man when he gets old and feable? Is it the devil who tricks Alshiemer patients into doing evil against another man? Is it the devil that causes a five yearold to pick his Dad's gun and shoot his three yearold sister? (or perhaps his Dad's dysfunctional "laziness" that caused him to leave the gun out in harm's way).
Evil is created in the image likeness of the dysfunctional behavior of mankind. There is no other direct/immediate evidence. I f man weren't here, who would speak up to define evil and point to its evidence?
Again I respect your vision of longing and wish you well on its' completion.
Rod
Posted by 64Bowtie on February 7, 2004, at 12:29:53
In reply to Re: You say Faith is the Only Weapon?, posted by rayww on February 7, 2004, at 8:50:48
...in defense as well as offense.
You keep leaving out the repugnant part: Blowing the self up for money is destructive dysfunction in the here-and-now! Want to be good example for your offspring? Don't blow up, ever, for any reason or belief.
In the hereafter, we may be called on the carpet for evil acts AND setting bad examples. BUT WAIT! The kids are still here operating guided by the bad example. Do they get a free pass because they didn't know any better? Where does the buck-passing end?
Rod
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 7, 2004, at 16:35:38
In reply to Re: Re: Why do I hear a Faith question » rayww, posted by 64Bowtie on February 6, 2004, at 23:21:06
> When you take that first step toward defining evil as someone or something you must use violence to vanquish, you miss the whole point.
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Posted by Dr. Bob on February 7, 2004, at 16:37:54
In reply to Re: You say Faith is the Only Weapon?, posted by rayww on February 7, 2004, at 8:50:48
> Faith to be faith must be grounded in God the Eternal Father. Anything less is something else. Call it confidence, realization, pride, but don't call it faith.
Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to put down the faiths of others, could you please rephrase that first sentence? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by rayww on February 7, 2004, at 22:36:59
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » rayww, posted by Dr. Bob on February 7, 2004, at 16:37:54
> > Faith must be grounded in God the Eternal Father or anything less or something else. Call it confidence, realization, pride, but please also call it faith.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 9, 2004, at 22:40:41
In reply to Re: please rephrase that, posted by rayww on February 7, 2004, at 22:36:59
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