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Posted by temmie on July 31, 2003, at 18:06:11
I am sorry for being so needy, everyone. Mercury, Habby, Fallsfall, and Jimi!, etc., I guess I wasn't ready to give-up when I thought so ... and I know it must be a disappointment to hear the exact same sob stories (over and over again).
I tried to find a meeting tonight, and struggled through rush-hour traffic in the driving rain to find that I wasn't able to locate the address. Guess I'll try for the 7 p.m.
In the meantime, I'm interested in learning why I've gotten in so deep -- at suuuuccch a deep level of attraction and communion with one who is so unwell .... And I'm hoping ... in these meetings ... and perhaps with some new friends ... I'll be able to find my way back out again. You know. To reclaiming so much of that power I've already given away.
Jimi, the energy work you outlined differs from how I've typically envisioned my energy flow -- seeing more of an entrance through the crown, and a figure eight down the front of the heart chakra, crossing to my back at the belly, and around to the front again up my tummy -- then back along the spine, and then out as I exhale -- but -- hey -- it sounds powerful, and I'm going to work with it. I think I need the protective forces it surely offers, and if Manjushri Boddisatva of Wisdom and Justice works closely with you, I'm delighted to welcome his presence into my dark little corner of the world.
I clearly need some help here.
Much love and affection. To our health -- all of us -- and to accepting only those things, qualities (and individuals) who help us embrace our highest good.
XXX, Temmie
Posted by Mercury on July 31, 2003, at 23:21:39
In reply to Is there a box of kleenex in the house?, posted by temmie on July 31, 2003, at 18:06:11
Hi Temmie,
I admit that I was disappointed upon reading your posts. Still, I suppose your loyalty towards Paul should be commended. I hope that it's enough. This link is the last of my advice for you. Make Paul go.
http://home.att.net/~volodia/mass-aa/
Good luck.
Mercury
Posted by Tabitha on July 31, 2003, at 23:48:30
In reply to Is there a box of kleenex in the house?, posted by temmie on July 31, 2003, at 18:06:11
Hi Temmie, I'm sorry you're feeling trapped in a painful situation. It's my belief that painful love relationships can be the start of a wonderful healing opportunity-- not just healing the current pain, but healing the old pain that's being triggered. You can come out the other side much stronger. It's very very difficult to go through those feelings though. Commend yourself for even being willing to start looking at what the 'hook' might be for you in this thing. I wish you the best.
Posted by lil' jimi on August 1, 2003, at 2:15:34
In reply to Is there a box of kleenex in the house?, posted by temmie on July 31, 2003, at 18:06:11
hi Temmie,
> ... I'm interested in learning why I've gotten in so deep -- at suuuuccch a deep level of attraction and communion with one who is so unwell .... And I'm hoping ... in these meetings ... and perhaps with some new friends ... I'll be able to find my way back out again. You know. To reclaiming so much of that power I've already given away.
>this is excellent on your part ...
> Jimi, the energy work you outlined differs from how I've typically envisioned my energy flow -- seeing more of an entrance through the crown, and a figure eight down the front of the heart chakra, crossing to my back at the belly, and around to the front again up my tummy -- then back along the spine, and then out as I exhale -- but -- hey -- it sounds powerful, and I'm going to work with it.
>you've described the inside and i was referring to the outside ... ... your chakras and the energy channels which connect them Are exactly as you experience ... and that is where the action is for one's personal experiences ... ...
... ... those powerful internal structures emmanate the cloud-like envelope or halo of spiritual energy, which can perform like a cocoon or a shield or an antenna-dish, depending how it is deployed ... ... this aura is external to your chakra structures and typically it is external from your physical body ... ... unless you take control of it and spin it inside of you, as i have described ... ... there should be no conflict between these internal versus external views ...
... one consequence of spinning your aura inward should be that the petal-like structures of your chakras should close once the aura has been pulled in ... .. ... all of which is to give you command of your spiritual environment and let you protect yourself ... ... but my suggested exercises are external stuff and your descriptions are your spiritual internal organs ... .... which you'll be wanting to use in your recovery from Paul ... especially as you gain a deeper understanding of your underlying motivations .... .... in particular, you are going to want to apply your healing energies to your heart chakra ... ...
... my suggested exercises are more for dealing with the external world and putting you in control of your spiritual inputs from the outside ...
> I think I need the protective forces it surely offers, and if Manjushri Boddisatva of Wisdom and Justice works closely with you, I'm delighted to welcome his presence into my dark little corner of the world.
>know that for as benign as Manjushri strength can be ... and for as generously as He brings His power to bear ... ... He can be determined force for your protection ... and for as gentle as He will be with you, Because you have priority, He may well be ... more direct with Paul (to Paul's ultimate benefit), but ... ... perhaps less gentle ... ...
... ... Manjushri has a wrathful aspect he uses to combat delusion and to protect the Dharma ... should you, in your sensitivities, see this Aspect, be confident that what may look fearsome .. .. is your protective guardian.you Take Care of You ... ... Paul's destiny is in his hands ... and we know now that it is time to pull away ...
... and as Tabitha says, learn from this ..
TAKE CARE !!!
~ jim
Posted by Temmie on August 1, 2003, at 6:36:05
In reply to Re: Is there a box of kleenex in the house?, posted by Mercury on July 31, 2003, at 23:21:39
Thank you. I ... respect ... your need for distance. I have meeting dates and times written down for -- every day -- of the week. (I certainly expect better success FINDING them than I had yesterday). I appreciate the link. T.
Posted by Temmie on August 1, 2003, at 6:41:54
In reply to Re: Is there a box of kleenex in the house?, posted by Tabitha on July 31, 2003, at 23:48:30
Thank you, Tabitha. I think you're right. Certainly whenever the heart chakra is involved ... there is potential for growth with powerful energetic forces. Hopefully uplifting forces. And when it's spasming and hurting ... surely there are healing things we can do to ease the pain (and to learn more about ourselves). Perhaps this is growth, too, in a more inverse fashion. Sometimes "being human" is so cumbersome and slow. Sometimes I feel so dense. Thanks for writing. I appreciate all the support I've received, and hope folks won't mind if I keep writing. Temmie
Posted by Temmie on August 1, 2003, at 7:07:23
In reply to re: Is there a box of chakras in the house? » temmie, posted by lil' jimi on August 1, 2003, at 2:15:34
Dang it. I hate when that happens. I had just written a long, lyrical reply -- and when I checked back to get the correct spelling of Manjushri -- I lost it.
Oh well. Jimi, I just wanted to say that typically, I call on Jesus Christ, or Raphael, archangel of healing, but I am open to working with whomever presents themselves. When I chose a different path other than going to India with Swami Rama, he appeared to me to say goodbye. As a teenager, I also felt the powerful forces of Paramahansa Yogananda after reading his autobiography -- which included his promise to be of help to whomever called upon him. Lastly, I have met one of my teachers -- at the risk of offending some -- in a space ship, no less. I don't know how that occurred, or why -- but it happened, it was real, and I will affirm that truth to my dying day. So -- I am open. I am open, open, open -- and I love what you and (was it Missouri girl?) have recommended. Clearly -- working with Light is a powerful tool, and one of the most viable vehicles for affirming one's earnest, honest intention to lift up and be more at one with the Divine. I will do so -- and I will invoke the healing presence of Manjushri to be of help. Thank you and bless you for bringing him to me/me to him.
A long time ago when I was in a religious order, I actually made the prayer of the Boddhisatva. I don't know how it goes -- it was a prayer I uttered on my own, and came from deep within my intention to be of service to others ....
Re. this thing with Paul ... I don't know what to say, other than that I know him, and have known him many, many times. There is a deep and powerful affinity/attraction -- but, obviously -- he has fallen off his work -- and it's critical that I resume my own ... to put that love connection back where it belongs -- at one with the Divine.
I pray to be of service to all whom I meet and come into contact with -- in the sense that they be touched by Love/Light, and lifted up into a higher consciousness of God -- but obviously, I am not functioning well at present -- and I appreciate the protective mechanisms you recommended .... In Christian mysticism, we always referred to this as being Knights of the Light, and putting on our shining and protective armor ....
I think that's about all ... other than to note that I've found the 12-step program to be one of the most spiritual programs I've ever encountered -- and I hope I can actually make contact with a group (after three failed attempts yesterday, and numerous tearful phonecalls to various AA/Al-Anon resources).
I hope you won't mind my continued writing on my healing. It is so helpful, and so valuable to have a place to "go" (thank you and bless you, Dr. Bob), and I am so humbly appreciative of ... and grateful for ... the "friends" I've found here.
Blessings.
Temmie
Posted by MissouriGal on August 1, 2003, at 8:08:41
In reply to re: Is there a box of chakras in the house?, posted by Temmie on August 1, 2003, at 7:07:23
Temmie, this might be a bit out there for you, but...
Have you ever underwent past-life regression therapy? I don't know where you're located so I don't know what resources you may have available to you. I know that when I was living in Georgia, it wasn't something readily available to me and I had to hunt and seek. I do them, but I can't do them on myself and I was looking for answers to my causes for my panic attacks. The one person I found that claimed they did them (a psychologist) actually didn't. She tried to reprogram what I was seeing and I knew on an inner level that wasn't right so I unconsciously stopped the regression with her.
Since you know you've been with him in past lives, this might be something that you can check into to see why the circle keeps going and going. Sometimes, to break free from the cycle we have to know the "whys" of why we're in that cycle to begin with. There is a reason you keep gravitating to one another, you may just need to find out what that reason is.
Posted by Temmie on August 1, 2003, at 11:41:12
In reply to re: Is there a box of chakras in the house? » Temmie, posted by MissouriGal on August 1, 2003, at 8:08:41
A loooonnngg time ago, I did some past-life work with a woman I met in NY. This must be going back 20-something years. I didn't find it too successful, but then I was laying on a woven lawn chair she'd pulled out of her closet -- and everything seemed kind of -- I don't know -- like she didn't know what she was doing (but wanted to practice the art). At the present time, unfortunately, I have no money to investigate any/many of the energy work/New Age alternatives in this part of the country where I live (and there are many). One of my best friends is a Jin-Shin-Do practitioner, and I've had some experiences with Mari-EL and Reiki -- but todate -- nothing. I am broke. A teacher who will not be paid again until October 1 (and that paycheck and many of the paychecks after this are already spent!). Oh well .... I can dig out the energy book you recommended .... I've done some work with automatic writing in the past. Better, if I could just REALLY reach up -- and FOCUS -- and then go into the stillness, I know I would find more of the solace, peace, understanding and solutions I seek.
It IS interesting to ponder what Paul and I have come together to teach one another. At present -- and especially (thank you Jimi) after countless moments of changing om ah ra pa cha ni ji (hope I got that right), I am feeling a *little* more at peace.
Did I tell you Paul's ex sent me a letter yesterday (!) with pictures of the two of them, and a long, long, complaining sort of missive about how "she" was the one, not me ??? That I was breaking up their family, etc? There has also been discussion about the possibility of Paul having slipped back into coke use -- and when I talked with him about these things last night, he got mad and hung up on me.
Honestly. I am nothing -- nothing but loving, caring, giving, honest, true, etc. etc. etc. And when I need understanding, I ask questions.
So -- today -- again, thanks to Jimi's intercession on my behalf -- and largely thanks to you, too (thank you and bless you for being in touch with me), I'm feeling a little more whole. I am who and what I am. Paul is hurting and struggling. He is suffering, and from what I understand, yesterday in court, he needn't have made the choice to "let the Judge decide," but could have opted for a year's probation with a no-contest charge ... after which time the charges would have been dropped.
So he's not making good choices. He's treating himself poorly. He hung up on one who has promised to love, honor and stand by him ....
That's where I'm at today. He needs to come back to some kind of center, and contact me. I need to keep chanting -- keep opening my heart to Love and Light -- keep asking for healing and guidance -- and keep working to focus on highly-technical linguistical stuff -- in order to pass my final exam.
I am ... truly ... yammerig here .... But it helps to talk. Thank you for giving me invitation to do so! I will try ... to look a little more deeply at the hidden meanings ... the under-the-surface currents and trends of what this whole thing means -- while simulataneously seeking to detach from the pain.
With love, Temmie
Posted by MissouriGal on August 2, 2003, at 15:03:49
In reply to Re. Past Life Regression, etc. -- Missouri Gal, posted by Temmie on August 1, 2003, at 11:41:12
See, this is something I can't personally relate to.
I've been on my path for 5 years now. I've learned a lot of things over that time. One thing I've learned is that what I can do are "gifts".... some that most people already have but haven't tapped into yet or developed, but gifts nonetheless.
I have never once charged for a Reiki session, a past life regression session, helping others when they needed it.... none of that. To me, charging someone to help them in this way cheapens the miracle. I understand that some people use this as their means of living, but it's not something that I could ever do. The universe doesn't charge you to give you these gifts, who am I to charge to give them to someone else? Could I charge? Probably so, and the people would pay. It's jsut my belief that I shouldn't as that's what I feel my guides have tried to impart on me. The personal satisfaction of knowing that I have helped one that truly needs it and wants it is more than enough repayment for me. :)
Temmie, I can't give you any more insight into your situation that what you already have. You know it's not the best situation, but you are drawn to him like a moth to a flame. You see that, and are working on resolving why it continues to be an issue for you. Your connections go beyone the physical plane into the spiritual and astral one and that's where you're going to have to go to sort things out. These human bodies and feelings are so cumbersome sometimes, aren't they? I know the feelings you're feeling, I can sense those just through your words. Knowing something isn't right and doing something about it are 2 totally different things though. Especially when you have karmic connections. It's hard to detach yourself from someone like that.
I do applaud you for knowing though. Most of us stumble through life not knowing why we are the way we are and just chalk it up to "go with the flow", not once questioning anything. You're past that point, you are "aware" now. No one can tell you how to continue on the rest of your journey, for only you know that. But I believe that here, in this little corner of cyberspace, you do have those that are willing to help you through your choices and perhaps try to guide you on your way when you become confused. Give you a little nudge when needed because you're scared to go down that path. Even a wrong choice, is still a choice. Perhaps those that care can help you see your choices in a different light. :)
Posted by Temmie on August 2, 2003, at 16:33:51
In reply to Re: Re. Past Life Regression, etc. -- Missouri Gal » Temmie, posted by MissouriGal on August 2, 2003, at 15:03:49
Well ... I'm with you ... re. the issue of accepting remuneration for gifts of the spirit -- but many people do make this their livelihood, and energy workers and channels can make $60-100, to $150 or more/hourly ... depending on their talents, strengths, skills, and following. Good for them. May they live long and prosper, while the rest of us struggle.
I've been "on the path," btw, probably since the 1960s, if not before. That's when I became aware of the higher realms, when I began to monkey around with astral projection, etc. (not at all a wise idea, I shouldn't even be mentioning it). It's just that ... in that era, there was more reading material/information available re. Wiccan arts and matters of the Occult than how to work with Light, etc. Although had I known more of the eastern-philosophies as a young teen, I'm sure I could have found more ....
The point is, from 1698 until now -- that's a long time -- and I haven't necessarly grown any "smarter," or any less immune to troubles or challenges. So I applaud your work of the last five years -- but don't be surprised at some point down the road -- if you find yourself feeling "stupid" ... as if you didn't know anything ... and you're starting all over again.
Bottom line, as you've said -- we all have choices -- and there remain occasions when -- against the better knowing of our judgment, we trudge ahead with things that ... well ... unfold just as we should have known they might. Perhaps "collapse" would be a better choice of wording than "unfold."
In the meantime ... I love the help I've gotten here. You are certainly welcome to send any healing energies my way (which I accept most humbly and gratefully). I will continue to "work my path" from rereading what Mercury has shared about the (selfish, all consuming) nature of alcoholism, to what Lil Jimi has written re. opening myself to powerful healing forces from the Boddhisatva Namjushri (OM AH RA NA CHA TSI DHI!!!), the things Jimi and you have both written about working with Light, etc. -- and the countless thoughts and good wishes of others.
I'll get there.
It's helpful. It's all helpful hearing from you guys. On some days, these notes are the only thing I had to keep me going.
I am eternally grateful.
XXX, Temmie
Posted by MissouriGal on August 2, 2003, at 17:49:32
In reply to On Charging 4 Gifts of the Spirit -- Missouri Gal » MissouriGal, posted by Temmie on August 2, 2003, at 16:33:51
I started on May 6, 1998. The day my best friend died. She was a believer in reincarnation, and had many interests in the metaphysical. I was raised Southern Baptist, and even though I felt that there must be "more", I wasn't sure about looking for that "more."
She was shot by an intruder in her home. A 16 year old gang member looking for money to get more drugs. He also held the gun to her then 14 year old daughter's jaw and pulled the trigger as well. My friend was shot in the stomach while she was trying to protect her child.
I'll save you all the gory details, but my friend lay in an ICU bed from April 1, 1998 until she died on May 6th. Her daughter did recover, even though she's gone through extensive sugeries to rebuild her face and put teeth in. While my friend was in ICU, I approached her mother with the idea of finding someone that did Therapudic Touch. Even though Valerie's (my friend) view was different than mine, I tried to help her according to what I thought SHE would seek out. What I found was someone that did Reiki. This woman went to the ICU with Valerie twice a week. I was there everyday.... I actually SAW on the monitors the difference that Reiki made. Her heart rate would go down from 140 to 85 or 90. Her BP would drop to within normal range. Even her body temperature would get down to near normal. (She had massive internal injuries and infections and her temp. was always elevated.) The respirator she was on would adjust itself accordingly to Valerie's own breathing rate. During the Reiki sessions, her breathing would again go down to about 16 or 18 resps. per minute instead of the 30 or so it was before the session started.
With her death, I started my new life. I saw the things done to her. I started researching more. I became like a sponge. The first thing I did was automatic writing. Then I wanted to learn Reiki. Then I tuned into myself to try and see auras. (To this day I still can't "see" them. LOL But I "feel" them and know by that feeling what colors are there.) Then I started studying Wicca. Then, I got into the past life regression. I was trying to do it all at one time. "Hands of Light" was one of the first books I read, and I've held it close to me ever since. MAP was another thing I got into. But, I finally realized I had too many irons in the fire at one time, and made myself slow down to be able to give each individual thing the attention it deserved.
I've tried astral projection, but I just can't do it. I get to the point of where I can feel myself lifting, and my vision starts to "shimmer" (like the heat coming off a road on a hot day is the best way I know to describe it.) and then, I guess I get so excited about it that I bring myself right back down to earth. LOL I do recall projections in my sleep, and I've slammed back into my body abruptly many times. So much so that it's woke me up. Scared the crap outta me at first. LOL
Here's a true story about Reiki.... My ex husband cut his pinky finger off at work. He was a carpenter and did house framing. I was at work when I got the call. They couldn't re-attach his finger because of the jaggedness of the cut. It had ripped the flesh instead of just going right through.
This happened on a Monday. The ER sent him right over to an orthopedic doctor. The doctor stiched it up, and told him to come back in a week. I talked my ex into going to see the woman that had done Reiki on Valerie. He went for 1 30 minute session. This was on Thursday. The next Monday (4 days later) my ex went to his doctor's appointment. His stitches were taken out, and the doctor said that he'd never seen anyone lose a digit and heal as fast as my ex had. He went back to work the next day. He's never had the first problem with that little nub of a pinky he has. :)
You will have light, love, and healing energy coming your way from me Timmie. If you ever feel the need to talk, then go right ahead. (I say that like I don't know.... you want to gush everything out. :) ) Talking is healing in and of itself. It's when we hold it inside that we suffer the consequences, whether mental, emotional, or physical. I don't know if you can get E-mail addresses on here or not, but if you can then don't think it's an imposition if you drop me a line when you feel the need.
~Brightest Blessings~
Posted by Temmie on August 2, 2003, at 19:07:16
In reply to Re: On Charging 4 Gifts of the Spirit -- Missouri Gal » Temmie, posted by MissouriGal on August 2, 2003, at 17:49:32
Hello Friend. What a beautiful story. I had someone do Reiki on me at work when I had a serious injury, and healed quickly, with little (or no, as I recall) bruising, and/or after-care needed. Amazing stuff. Remember to use "double-quotes" when you're mentioning a book. It's easy. Just put two sets of " at the beginning of the title, and another two at the end ("). So ... we've been discussing (quote quote) "Hands of Light" (quote quote). Good book. I do need to look for that ... it's in the basement somewhere ....
I can recommend an exercise that will help your ability to physically "see" auras. Let me know if you're interested. It's rather long to go into (maybe another ten minutes or so to sort out how to express ... then type), so I'll pass on that for now -- but it is amazing, and it is possible.
Sometimes I see auras. Sometimes not. Sometimes I just see the aura surrounding the crown chakra, sometimes I see the whole aura around the body. It's always a surprise (always seems perfectly natural), and -- if you look too hard -- sometimes you can't see at all. I've found, the more I work with Light, the more open I am to those higher frequences.
Being in love with an addict. Being "addicted" myself to that very high, rare, intimate feeling of safety and communion I felt in his arms (why wouldn't I? We are, apparently, both love-starved), I haven't been working ENOUGH with Light. Thank God for you, Jimi, FallsFall (Habby, where are you?), Mercury, and more.
I'm getting there.
I don't know whether we're able to post email addresses on this site or not .... Guess I should check the FAQs .... At the risk of "breaking the laws" here, I'll note I'm available at: temenos512@yahoo.com.
Temenos, btw, comes from the Greek, and refers to the seat of the soul, or the sanctuary ....
I can't remember what else you said, and I'm afraid if I scan back to look again, I'll lose this note -- so for now -- let me say:
(a) Paul is definitely using crack.
(b) Last night he was robbed.
(c) The mother of his first-born, Andrea, is concerned about the life-and-death nature of his current downward spiral .... We are both hoping he hits the wall soon and goes into treatment
(c) His (savy) 20-something son is on his way "home" to reconnect with Dad and will hopefully (presumably) be of the utmost help. Andrea and I are both hoping to keep Paul alive long enough for his son's arrival on Thursday.
(d) I am going to meetings.
(e) I have called one of the contacts I made.
(f) I am crying, but also -- alternatively -- chanting ... and making progress.
(g) I am finally getting some VERY needed work done on my linguistics study, and am now, in fact, going to do a google search on "proniminal determinants."Ugh! Grueling! Thank you (and others) for keeping me company during this sad saga. Should also note I'm reading "How to Break Your Addiction to a Person" and am, "working my program" as best as I can to detach, get well, and live with the Joy (and Serenity) that best mirrors our creator.
XXX, Temmie
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