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Posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2003, at 20:09:13
Friends,
We were on opposite sides of the Gate.The Rider said to me, "In a little while, you will see me no more." Then I was beside a great river and the Rider was in the distance and then gone from sight. I was hungry and weary and thirsty. I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, a man clothed in linen, whose waist was girded with gold. His body was like sculptured marble of a blue-green color that glisterd, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like flaming fire, his arms and feet like polished brass, and the sound of His words like the voice of a 1000 people. I feel down on my face, with my face to the ground.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2003, at 20:18:08
In reply to The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2003, at 20:09:13
Friends,
Suddenly, a hand touched me, which made me trtemble at my knees. And He said to me ,"Lou, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you. Do not fear, for the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come because of your words."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 6, 2003, at 20:44:19
In reply to The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2003, at 20:18:08
Friends,
I rose up and said to Him, "Who are you?" The man answered me and said, "Queens traveled to visit Solomon to hear his wisdom. But one standing here is greater than Soloman. Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and saw it and was glad. But I say to you in assurance, before Abraham was, I AM."
Lou
Posted by rayww on March 7, 2003, at 12:23:22
In reply to Re: The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by Lou Pilder on March 6, 2003, at 20:44:19
There are two ways of punctuating that scripture Lou; the way you did it, and this way:
"Before Abraham, was I AM"
I believe "I AM" is God's name.
Your last three posts were clear and to the point.
http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/29/1#1http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=%22Before+Abraham+was+I+AM%22&search.x=23&search.y=7
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2003, at 14:58:13
In reply to Re: The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life » Lou Pilder, posted by rayww on March 7, 2003, at 12:23:22
rayww,
Thank you for your interest in this thread. What I am writing here is how I remember what I saw and heard in my experiance. I am not quoting the bible.
Thank you for the list of verses from your bible.
Lou
Posted by rayww on March 7, 2003, at 18:02:36
In reply to Lou's response to rayww's post » rayww, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2003, at 14:58:13
> rayww,
> Thank you for your interest in this thread. What I am writing here is how I remember what I saw and heard in my experiance. I am not quoting the bible.
> Thank you for the list of verses from your bible.
> Lou
I realize you are not quoting the Bible Lou. That's been my whole point. If you note the comparisons between texts, you'll note some of the same phrases are repeated almost verbatim in the Old Testament, New Testament, and if I may, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price.
http://scriptures.lds.org/
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2003, at 18:10:35
In reply to Re: Lou's response to rayww's post, posted by rayww on March 7, 2003, at 18:02:36
rayww,
You wrote that you have observed that some of
the same phrases are in the old testament, new testament, book of Mormon,...
Yes, I am aware of that. You , if anyone, then could possibly understand why I consider my experiance of importance to me. For if others have had similar experiances, then my experiance is validated.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2003, at 18:26:07
In reply to Re: Lou's response to rayww's post, posted by rayww on March 7, 2003, at 18:02:36
rayww,
As a note to the previous post of mine, I had no biblical knowlege outside of rudimentary knowlege of the bible that children would be aware of when I had my experiance. So when it was pointed out to me by others, like yourself, but many years ago, that what I was telling people about my experiance was contained in those bibles that you mentioned, then I became very aware that there was [validation] of my experiance [to me].
So I began to tell others and recieved rejection and scorn and ridicule and was despised by the people that I knew, except for a few.
Lou
Posted by rayww on March 7, 2003, at 19:08:36
In reply to Lou's (note) response to rayww's post-1C » rayww, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2003, at 18:26:07
> rayww,
> As a note to the previous post of mine, I had no biblical knowlege outside of rudimentary knowlege of the bible that children would be aware of when I had my experiance. So when it was pointed out to me by others, like yourself, but many years ago, that what I was telling people about my experiance was contained in those bibles that you mentioned, then I became very aware that there was [validation] of my experiance [to me].
> So I began to tell others and recieved rejection and scorn and ridicule and was despised by the people that I knew, except for a few.
> LouThat being the case Lou, have you ever questioned the validity of Christ's experience? That's exactly what happened to Him too. He was scorned and ridiculed, despised by all except a few. You have experienced the emotions including the love of Christ, and you know him better than you think you do. Give it a try Lou, give it a try. Out of curiosity, have you ever read the Book of Mormon? Christ is referred to directly or indirectly on nearly every page. The Book of Mormon will help you with your understanding of who Jesus really is. As the title page says, it is for the Jew and the Gentile, to show that God has remembered his covenants to the House of Israel.
I am sorry you have been ridiculed for such a wonderful experience. I have not ridiculed you, just questioned you on some of the quotes.
God speaks the same words to people of all ages and is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=%22yesterday%2C+today%2C+and++forever%22&search.x=27&search.y=3
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2003, at 20:03:23
In reply to Re: Lou's (note) response to rayww's post-1C, posted by rayww on March 7, 2003, at 19:08:36
rayww,
You wrote,[...have you ever read the book of Mormon?...].
No, I have not read the book of Mormon, yet. I am not a member of any affiliation with religious groups, not that any of those groups would not be nice to be a member of. But I have a problem, in a sense, joining a religious affiliation because I feel that I would have to adopt all of their dogmata and not be able to think for myself. I feel that there are many like myself and that their religious affilliation is secondary to their genuine belief. For when I was in the City of Peace, I asked the Rider, who is the Word of God in my experiance,"How can one know a group to be a member of? He answered me and said, " He that is a true believer is one that is a true believer, inwardly. And he that bares good fruit is from a good tree and he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that brings forth its fruit in its season, whose leaf also shall not wither. Thearfore, by their fruits shall you know them."
Lou
Posted by rayww on March 7, 2003, at 21:36:38
In reply to Lou's (note) response to rayww's post-2C » rayww, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2003, at 20:03:23
Posted by rayww on March 9, 2003, at 16:00:42
In reply to Lou's (note) response to rayww's post-2C » rayww, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2003, at 20:03:23
> rayww,
> You wrote,[...have you ever read the book of Mormon?...].
> No, I have not read the book of Mormon, yet. I am not a member of any affiliation with religious groups, not that any of those groups would not be nice to be a member of. But I have a problem, in a sense, joining a religious affiliation because I feel that I would have to adopt all of their dogmata and not be able to think for myself. I feel that there are many like myself and that their religious affilliation is secondary to their genuine belief. For when I was in the City of Peace, I asked the Rider, who is the Word of God in my experiance,"How can one know a group to be a member of? He answered me and said, " He that is a true believer is one that is a true believer, inwardly. And he that bares good fruit is from a good tree and he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that brings forth its fruit in its season, whose leaf also shall not wither. Thearfore, by their fruits shall you know them."
> LouWhat you have written deserves much more of a response than a simple "thank-you".
I would like to briefly comment on your statement that,
"I feel that I would have to adopt all of their dogmata and not be able to think for myself."I feel extrememly free to explore thought and create new ideas. I'll admit there are checks and balances in organized religion, but when those checks and balances are founded in scripture, light and truth, it festoons one with security. Sometimes I feel so ready to soar within those eternal limitless limits. Like now. There are so many directions I would like to take. I want to write more, organize more, sew more, read more, make people beautiful.
Perhaps it is addiction that hinders one from thinking for oneself.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 9, 2003, at 18:54:01
In reply to Re: Lou's (note) response to rayww's post-2C, posted by rayww on March 9, 2003, at 16:00:42
rayww,
You wrote,[...perhaps it is {addiction} that hinders one from thinking for themselves...].
Could you clarify what the {addiction} is in your post? If you could, then I could have a better understanding of your post and be better able to respond to it.
Lou
Posted by rayww on March 9, 2003, at 21:47:07
In reply to Lou's respons to rayww's post-3C » rayww, posted by Lou Pilder on March 9, 2003, at 18:54:01
Addiction is far more prohibitive than a gospel standard. Take pornography and gambling. A gospel standard would warn against both, yet the person would still be free to choose the action and the consequense. Somewhere between making that first choice and getting to the point where it is the focal pivot point of your whole life, freedom is lost. Gospel standards actually set one free. Gospel standards support the family. Without some logical restrictions the family falls apart. Restrictions are the same as belief and standards. All successful families have them. If you would like me to further clarify and explain restrictions - - - you cannot screw around and keep your family, whether you have an addiction to flirting and the buzz, or to porn, or other sexual fantasies, you are better off not to fall to addiction. We all have addictions in one form or another. Even this INternet can become an addiction if it takes the place of your real family. If you come here for emotional support, rather than going to the people who are close to you, you may start dissociating and lose the coping skills you need to get through the day to day.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2003, at 8:04:39
In reply to Re: Lou's respons to rayww's post-3C, posted by rayww on March 9, 2003, at 21:47:07
rayww,
You wrote, [...gospel standards actually set one free...].
You have brought up the connection between faith and addiction. One of the reasons that I have been posting here is to tell of my experiance so that, perhaps, others could be freed from an addiction. For I was addicted, accidently, by taking the prescribed drug, clonazapam,AKA Klonopin. I was given the drug by a neurologist without any discussion that when the drug was stopped, that there would be a reaction that some people call [withdrawal].
In my case, I called upon my faith in order to enable me to overcome the effects to me that occurred after I stopped the drug. There are posters here that describe the effects to them when they stop the drug, and I experianced them also. I looked at the situation as a {toxicity} to my systems, and to me, I took the course of stopping completly, not tapering, and called upon the promises that my faith has told me in my experiance from years before I was prescribed the drug. I also was given desiprimine, an AD, by a Dr. that,IMO, precipitated an adverse reaction and I also at that time thought that there was a toxicity created by the drug and I called upon my faith to overcome the effects of the adverse reaction. I still have the effects from the adverse reaction, but my faith has given me power to overcome the adverse effects, even though the effects still continue and cause limitations to me. But I can actually rejoice, and that has been one of the reasons why I have been posting my experiance here, for if I was able to overcome, so could there be the potential for others to overcome.
Lou
Posted by rayww on March 12, 2003, at 23:32:26
In reply to Addiction and faith » rayww, posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2003, at 8:04:39
I thank you for your teaching, and hope you will continue to heal from the effects of your addiction crisis.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 13, 2003, at 13:22:17
In reply to Re: Addiction and faith » Lou Pilder, posted by rayww on March 12, 2003, at 23:32:26
rayww,
Thank you for writing,[...I hope you heal...].
Are you saying that {healing} can be helped by [faith]? If so, could you expound upon that, for that could be an interesting topic?
Lou
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