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Posted by Miller on January 23, 2003, at 19:26:39
I don't know about the rest of you, but I always feel bad when someone gets blocked.
I definately have my own crisis when it comes to religion. I have that age-old problem that I want religion to fit very neatly into my life needs at the time.
I admire people such as rayw and lou for having such strong beliefs and knowledge of how they feel.
I once spoke with a man who converted to Catholicism and asked him if there was any part of the Catecism that he did not believe or follow. His answer to me was that he only diagrees to the point that it doen't go into enough detail. That, to me, is amazing. To have such strong faith must be so comforting.
To believe in a Faith so strongly, shows that some people really do have comfort, support, and guidance from faith as well as, or in spite of a person.
So, to anyone who has been blocked for having such strong beliefs, my heart goes out to you. Stand strong in the fact that you are the one who is stable and strong. However, the rules of this forum are there to protect those of us living in confusion. We need to view alternatives and different theories in order to find our own way to Faith.
-Miller
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 23, 2003, at 20:41:19
In reply to Sadness, posted by Miller on January 23, 2003, at 19:26:39
Miller,
You wrote,[...the rules here are to protect those of us living in confusion. We need to view alternatives and different theories in order to find our own way to Faith.].
Are you saying that you think that rayww was blocked because what he/she wrote [could prevent] you from [viewing] alternatives and different theories in order for others, or just yourself, to find their, or your, way to Faith and that is what you mean by [...the rules here are to {protect} those that are living in confusion? If so, could you clarify if it could not be looked at that rayww was giving his/her view of his/her faith that could be deemed to be an alternative or different theory and thearfore actually be a supoortive post for he/she was givig a different and alternative thoery?
If you could, then I could have a better understanding of what you wrote and be better able to respond to your post.
Sincerely,
Lou
Posted by Miller on January 23, 2003, at 21:45:19
In reply to Re: Sadness » Miller, posted by Lou Pilder on January 23, 2003, at 20:41:19
Hi Lou,
I guess I kind of mis-spoke. I don't know why or the rationale of the rules for PB Faith were put into place. I do feel as if some posts on this board pressure me into trying to believe a certain viewpoint.
I guess I read into Dr. Bob blocking rayww because he was making statements that others felt uncomfortable with. By pressuring his belief, he was also "putting down" others' beliefs. That is just my (limited) understanding.
You know as well as I do that there is much confusion as to what is and isn't acceptable to post on this particular board. So, I could be way off base.
I guess the actual point of my original message "Sadness" is that 1) I don't like to see people blocked or leave the forum 2) Religion is a very intense subject; therefore I like to read both strong beliefs as well as uncertain ideas.
As you know, I am very lost in my own beliefs right now. So, I am probably making little to no sense.
:)
-Miller
P.S. Is it as cold in Ohio as it is here? We were -5 degrees today.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 23, 2003, at 22:02:16
In reply to Re: Sadness » Lou Pilder, posted by Miller on January 23, 2003, at 21:45:19
Miller,
You wrote,[...I like to read one's strong beliefs....]and[...religion is an intense subject...]. I agree, and could not rayww's post been a post from someone that has an intense conviction? Now rayww writes that [there is only 3....]. This is rayww's conviction, not necessarily anyone elses. But is not what anyone writes on the faith board possibly just that? Possibly just {their} conviction?
Lou
Posted by Miller on January 23, 2003, at 22:15:50
In reply to Re: Sadness » Miller, posted by Lou Pilder on January 23, 2003, at 22:02:16
Hi Lou,
Yes, I agree with you. In fact, I rarely feel threatened or put down by this board at all. In fact, I usua;;y feel more intimidated than anything else. The intimidation stems from now knowing where my Faith lies presently. So, when I am visiting this board, I am sometimes uncomfortable to see people so certain of their own Faith, it kind of scares me.
I did not take offense to rayww post, but sine Dr. Bob said the last time he was blocked for a week, I assumed rayww knew what he wrote was past the guidelines set by Dr. Bob.
I do get confused by what is acceptable and what isn't. I have read posts that I thought were very malicious and deliberate, yet, nothing was said. So, I have to chalk it up to either being too new to understand or too dense.
Were you offended by rayww's post? Did you agree with his statement/s?
-Miller
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2003, at 9:56:20
In reply to Re: Sadness » Lou Pilder, posted by Miller on January 23, 2003, at 22:15:50
Miller,
You wrote,[...were you offended by rayww's post?...do you agree with his/her statement(s)?...]
To answer as to if I was offended or not, we have to understand some givens. First, this is a separate board from the others that focuses on faith and that atheism and agnosticism are considered non-supportive to faith and are not permitted on the faith board but can be posted on the social board.
Also, posters have posted their beliefs, such as [...jesus is our salvation to those that obey Him...] and [...I believe that there is one God and that I should have no others before Him...] and [...there are two, God and Jesus...] and [...I believe in the Father , the Son, and the Holy Ghost...] and [...the pharisees sought to kill jesus...] and [...catechism 1260] and others that have been deemed to be [OK] here.
I am not offended by any of those posts unless the post constitutes a racial slur. Rayww's post did not say that jews, or others, were, let's say, [..greedy, abusive or some refference to anatomy...]. So on that basis, rayww's post did not offend me. In refference to [...there are only 3...], I consider that statement by rayww to be his/her own thoughts about the history of the christian religion and that it was my understanding that the statement was directed to the posters that rayww was discussing with, which were christian, and me jewish, and that the other religions of the world were not participants in the discussion with rayww, so I thought they were not mentioned by rayww because none of the other posters were of religions other than the ones rayww wrote about. I understand that some groups teach that they are separate from jewdaism and Islam and Hinduism and others and Roman Catholicism and the groups that came from Catholicism after Martin Luther and others initiated what is called the [protestant reformation] in the 1500's. This could be a history statement by rayww, so I consider his/her statement non-offensive to me, and it goes without saying that on the faith board there are different faiths, and different faiths have different, well, faiths!
And I believe that we could recognise that we could practice tolerance. I understand that rayww is of the Mormon group and I appreciate his/her sharing their doctrines with us here. I undersdtand that those doctrins are rayww's and that is what rayww believes and that does not offend me.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2003, at 10:18:29
In reply to Lou's response to Miller's post about rayww's post » Miller, posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2003, at 9:56:20
Miller,
You asked if I[...agreed with his/her statements...]
Could you tell me which one, or ones,that are you referring to?
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 24, 2003, at 13:05:53
In reply to Lou's response to Miller's post about rayww's post » Miller, posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2003, at 9:56:20
> the other religions of the world were not participants in the discussion with rayww
Maybe not then, but they might be in the future...
Bob
Posted by Miller on January 24, 2003, at 20:19:36
In reply to Re: participants, posted by Dr. Bob on January 24, 2003, at 13:05:53
So, again, I am forced to review my interpretations of being civil. Not only are we to be civil to others on this board and in our discussions, we need now to look at our posts as billboards. So, Lou, I am sorry I feel I can not continueour discussion on this boward. I fear I will make a wrong step in conversation with you as well as the general public.
Thank you in advance for your understanding, Lou. And thank you for being nice to me.
-Miller
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2003, at 9:18:41
In reply to Re: participants-Lou, posted by Miller on January 24, 2003, at 20:19:36
Miller,
You wrote,[...thank you for...understanding ...and being nice...]
10-4
Lou
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