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Posted by Dr. Bob on November 10, 2002, at 12:57:33
[Posted by rayww on November 9, 2002, at 12:08:48]
> Dr. Gershon, thankyou for posting here. Your contributions to the mental health industry are valuable.
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> My main criticism to an industry that is ever improving its chemical solution to spiritual, mental, and physical problems is that it sometimes neglects to look to the source of life and truth for the answer. Personal beliefs impede progress when grounded in error.
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> I wonder if we put too much faith in the ever-changing professional "opinion".
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> From a "non-professional" person who has learned to rely on things other than professional training, I may perhaps be considered professional too in other ways, as can most who write here.
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> I have concluded in my personal study and lifestyle, there are but two absolutes that never change. 1. God is good and wants us to be happy. 2. Satan is bad and grovels in our weakness and misery.
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> If mental disorders are worsened by nutrient deficiencies and poor choices in lifestyle, these three things would make fine toys (tools) for Satan.
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> Those with mental disorders hear voices and see visions of things that are not real. Does this mean that everyone who hears a voice and sees a vision has a mental disorder?
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> Satan, the father of all lies, can only be as good as a counterfeit. The true voice and vision comes from God, our Creator. The false ones may take root and thrive in the disorders. Some will say there is no true voice, but that is a false assumption.
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> I have experienced the false high and heard the false voice. I have been on the bipolar swing and rushed with it. I have also known the true voice and received pure direction from God. I believe I am one who can tell the difference.
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> If what I just stated about mental disorders, nutrition, and lifestyle is true, I’m sure both God and Satan know it. The battle between good and evil that began before time, rages on to the end.
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> I would suggest "wisdom and understanding" are the opposites of mental anguish and confusion. A Mormon health code titled the “Word of Wisdom” provides a guide for mental, physical, and spiritual well-being. I see a direct link to good health and lifestyle in the word “wisdom” itself. One could safely say God is Wisdom, and Satan is anguish.
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> http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/89
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> If Satan wanted to destroy our good health in order to gain power over our weakness, or if he wanted to suck us into our weakness by destroying our good health, what tools would he use? He is certainly capable of planting ideas into the minds of “conspiring men in the last days”. Consider:
> 1. Junk food, fast food, white foods, flat foods
> 2. Socially accepted evils that cause broken homes and destroy the family
> 3. Harmful chemicals in food, drugs, and sprays
> 4. Pornography
> 5. Gambling
> 6. Expensive harmful cures
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> What would be the healers?
> 1. Lifestyle that strengthens and supports the family (peace)
> 2. Gardening
> 3. Healthful eating and dietary supplements,
> 4. Drink more water than coffee, tea, pop, juice, or alcohol
> 5. Spiritual exercise (scriptures, prayer)
> 6. Mental exercise (study, mathematics, cleaning the house, play)
> 7. Physical exercise (Yoga, Pilates, walking)
> 8. Rest
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> Is this pattern or picture? Satan plants evil into every good thing to try to adict us. Once down he drags us speedily toward suicide while we are in our misery so he can stake his claim.
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> Some will judge evil for good and good for evil by saying there is no such thing as a good voice, or that revelation from God ceased with the death of the apostles. Hog wash! That is so far from truth. There is revelation. God does direct those who follow Him.
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> I stake my claim against evil by stating there is a Good Shepherd who carefully watches over His flock. Good voices are being heard. Direction is being given. There is healing to be discovered, and it makes sense that it would be as close as wisdom and understanding along with science.
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> Wisdom and understanding supports true science for it is the same. Science does not always support wisdom. In your profession Dr. Gershon, you have the power to link the three together for our sake.
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> Study all the voices before you draw your conclusions. Seek wisdom and understanding along with professional study.
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> Most answers for life can be found in the scriptures. Ephesians 5:19 gives a solution for depression. It consels us to speak to ourselves with poetry, hymns, and spiritual music.
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> http://scriptures.lds.org/eph/5/19#19
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> Ecclesiastes 2 gives an explanation of wisdom
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> http://scriptures.lds.org/eccl/2
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> There is care and support available for everyone as we help one another. We are able to be led to solutions as we walk toward the source of perfect power.
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> It isn't easy. The best teacher is life itself. As long as there is life, we learn, we teach.
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> Dr. Gershon, you have contributed much to this cause. I like your understanding of lifestyle and how bipolar should not be used as a scapegoat for every social ill. We must take responsibility for our own choices and lifestyle, and do our best to solve our own problems. Wisdom will guide us to appropriate medications and supplements, doctors, nutritionists, people, information, truth.....
Posted by oracle on November 11, 2002, at 18:09:16
In reply to Dr. Gershon « rayww, posted by Dr. Bob on November 10, 2002, at 12:57:33
I think "Satan" exists only in the minds of those
who want to see those who do not think like they do, punished "Satan" exists to to prove them right
and give negative reinforcement to their faiths.
Posted by rayww on November 12, 2002, at 19:35:49
In reply to Re: Dr. Gershon « rayww, posted by oracle on November 11, 2002, at 18:09:16
> I think "Satan" exists only in the minds of those
> who want to see those who do not think like they do, punished.
"Satan" exists to prove them right
> and give negative reinforcement to their faiths.Are you saying those who believe in God want to see those who do not think as they do punished?
If so, that is very sad. The first two principles of my gospel are:
1. Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ,
2. RepentanceFaith leads to repentance, which eventually leads to receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost as a constant comfort and companion.
What is repentance if not to become personally empowered to overcome satan? There is just as much power in repentance as there is in faith.
Posted by oracle on November 12, 2002, at 22:58:20
In reply to Re: Dr. Gershon « rayww » oracle, posted by rayww on November 12, 2002, at 19:35:49
> > I think "Satan" exists only in the minds of those
> > who want to see those who do not think like they do, punished.
> "Satan" exists to prove them right
> > and give negative reinforcement to their faiths.
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> Are you saying those who believe in God want to see those who do not think as they do punished?Yes, and it is the power the church has over the people. In that If you are not good, the "boggie man will get you". A religion that needs to scare its followers into doing its bidding.
Posted by rayww on November 12, 2002, at 23:47:37
In reply to Re: Dr. Gershon « rayww, posted by oracle on November 12, 2002, at 22:58:20
> > > I think "Satan" exists only in the minds of those
> > > who want to see those who do not think like they do, punished.
> > "Satan" exists to prove them right
> > > and give negative reinforcement to their faiths.
> >
> > Are you saying those who believe in God want to see those who do not think as they do punished?
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> Yes, and it is the power the church has over the people. In that If you are not good, the "boggie man will get you". A religion that needs to scare its followers into doing its bidding.
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Ah, but the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom:http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=%22fear+of+the+lord%22&search.x=34&search.y=6
And, as to whether or not Satan exists: here are a few witnesses I pulled out of my hat in a five second search.
http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=satan&search.x=27&search.y=2
The Holy Land stands today as a monument to the truth of the Old Testament.
Posted by oracle on November 13, 2002, at 10:56:26
In reply to Re: Dr. Gershon « rayww » oracle, posted by rayww on November 12, 2002, at 23:47:37
> > > > I think "Satan" exists only in the minds of those
> > > > who want to see those who do not think like they do, punished.
> > > "Satan" exists to prove them right
> > > > and give negative reinforcement to their faiths.
> > >
> > > Are you saying those who believe in God want to see those who do not think as they do punished?
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> > Yes, and it is the power the church has over the people. In that If you are not good, the "boggie man will get you". A religion that needs to scare its followers into doing its bidding.
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> Ah, but the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom:
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> http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=%22fear+of+the+lord%22&search.x=34&search.y=6I wonder what psychological condition "God" has
that makes him require his subjects to fear him ?
Keep us in line ?>
> And, as to whether or not Satan exists: here are a few witnesses I pulled out of my hat in a five second search.
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> http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=satan&search.x=27&search.y=2
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> The Holy Land stands today as a monument to the truth of the Old Testament.Psychology indicates we each can be capable of evil and good. Some seem to not want the except
this. Hince, Satan, who is seperate.
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