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Posted by oona on June 29, 2002, at 23:30:52
this being my first spriritual psycho babble encounter (surfing and posting), brought to mind something that happened to me on Friday while coming home from work.
I had been without my Celexa for a couple of days and was a little on the edge but actually in a good place in my mind if not in a 100% comfortable place in my body.
the drive home is about 40 minutes and since I was a passenger and able to just day dream I started looking at the trees (National Forest... and seeing that not one tree is like the next tree or the next or the next... Just like one grain of sand and one snowflake is different than the next.
When you look at the tree (and not the forest) and then the next tree and see that there is about 50, then 100, then 1000, then 10000 individual trees. Then look at the forest and see those 1 million different trees. This forest is one of many, many forests.
If you put your mind to it it can be overwhelming to grasp this. Just to feel that you are one of 100 million or more and more and we are all different, just as the trees and the snowflakes are different.
How can we not believe in something, somebody greater than humankind. Whether it is a godd or goddess, or whatever. If it is something or somebody that needs to be praised or not. Just to be aware of the biggness and wonderfullnes of the little grains of sand and the millions of giant trees and the little scrubs across the dessert.
How sad if we are not able to feel, to embrace and to pass on in some way this wonder, whether it is with our art, our work or just quietly holding the little baby and letting them know with your mind and love, the love that you have received.
peace,
oona
Posted by IsoM on June 30, 2002, at 0:21:09
In reply to Finding god in a tree..., posted by oona on June 29, 2002, at 23:30:52
Oona, I rarely post to this board but reading your post made me think of how I see life. We hear about the 'web of life' & how ecologically, everything is connected. But I see life more as a rich tapestry - threads interwoven through one another into a beautiful rich picture, not just a pleasing design. If you remove or break some of the threads, the picture still remains but looks a little thread worn. Take away too many threads & the tapestry starts deteriorating.
The design & pattern to make a beautiful picture like life is meant to be took a Designer. It's far, far too complicated to just have happened by chance. I think we're still at the stage of being partially colourblind. Sort of like those tests they use for people who are partially colour blind - they can see part of the pattern but not all of it. We see a lot of the pictures in the tapestry but as we learn more & especially as we open our hearts, more of the picture shows in greater beauty than we thought possible. The flaws are not in the tapestry but in us, ouselves, who often can't see clearly.
Posted by jay on June 30, 2002, at 4:50:51
In reply to Finding god in a tree..., posted by oona on June 29, 2002, at 23:30:52
I think I really am a cynical fatalist. Even on powerful drugs I see most things as death..really...it's all about losing things...the day we are born is the day we start to die...like a vapour trail the fades away forever in the sky...silence all the songbirds, stilled by the killing frost...forest burn't to ashes..everything is lost..memories written on the wind...washed away like voices in a hurricane...Fading away like an hourglass, grain by grain..washed away like footprints in the rain...in a vapour trail..in a vapou trail..in a vapo trail...in a vap trail...in a va trail...in a v trail...................... ->-
Posted by beardedlady on June 30, 2002, at 6:27:48
In reply to Finding god in a vapour trail...and losing it..., posted by jay on June 30, 2002, at 4:50:51
You could certainly see it that way, and I have. But I guess I truly believe in attitude adjustments. I am living proof that they work--and do so to your advantage. When I hear the birds, I don't ever think about the day I won't hear them anymore. When I see an amazing light from the sky--colors and shadows and intensity--I don't think about death or winding up in hell, nor do I think about god. I just think how absolutely beautiful it is.
Living in the moment has its advantages.
Even with our depression and our ADD and OCD and all the other mental illnesses we have, I still believe we can do plenty of things to help ourselves. Changing self-pity to acceptance, perhaps (which doesn't mean you stop trying to improve your lot--ever!), can make all the difference. It has in me. I am far less moody and pessimistic than I was when I first got insomnia and panic.
So that was the key for me. You can still be a cynical fatalist (that's what many of us are) and enjoy those little moments. You just have to figure out where your G-spot is and keep your finger on the button for awhile until you like feeling that way so much you search for it everywhere.
beardy : )>
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 30, 2002, at 8:19:51
In reply to Finding god in a vapour trail...and losing it..., posted by jay on June 30, 2002, at 4:50:51
Jay,
When I was in the City of Peace, I boasted to some that when I returned to the world thatI would do such-and-such. Then I was told,
"You do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away."
Jay, have you been to that City?
Lou
Posted by beardedlady on June 30, 2002, at 8:49:24
In reply to Re: Finding god in a vapour trail...and losing it... » jay, posted by Lou Pilder on June 30, 2002, at 8:19:51
Posted by beardedlady on June 30, 2002, at 8:54:02
In reply to Re: Finding god in a vapour trail...and losing it... » jay, posted by Lou Pilder on June 30, 2002, at 8:19:51
"I think that as long as someone is civil (which includes not proselytizing)...." —Dr. Bob
Posted by lou pilder on June 30, 2002, at 11:36:37
In reply to It's proselytizing . » Lou Pilder, posted by beardedlady on June 30, 2002, at 8:54:02
Beardedlady
I expected this. but the word "proselytizing" is open to definition. I will abide by any rule here, but pros. to me means to try and recruit someone into a particular religion. Like Islam or Cristiandom. Jews do not pros. My experiance is what I am telling you as to what happenend to me that enabled me to overcome, and to fullfill a promise to the Rider. You see, I made a covenant with the Rider. I agreed to tell my experiance to others if I ever strayed from the light. And I have gone astray. One of the remedies for restoration in the light is to teach others. When King David committed adultery, he said to God, "Do not take the Holy Spirit from me. Restore me to the Joy of my new Spirit. And I will tell others about The City." I am not trying to recruit people to join the Jahovah's Witnesses or the Mormans or the Baptist or the 7 day adventists or the Islamics or the new age people or the wiikan or the zen or the Greek Myth people or Judiasm or any other religion.
By the way, all the above posts then are also pros. This board was created so that my experiance would be allowed here. To draw me into these discussions on this board and then tell me that I am violating the rules is entrapment. I came to this board to share my experiance so that ,perhaps, someone else would be able to overcome by assimilating something that I have told in my experiance into their being and they could overcome.
I like what Dr. Bob said to another on this board. He said that you could not read it, but do not tell others to not post it.
I am not a member of any religion. My experiance is what I know. I am not telling you something that some religion puts out. I have been despised and rejected by religios people. I came here for I believed that if any people would understand , that it would be the Babbledom people. Who else could have an ear to hear ? Who else could even possibly understand what I am saying? Who else could possibly understand that I saw a Rider on a White Horse?
Now when I answered Jay's post, I saw in him the light of life. I knew that he knew, for he described life as a vapor. In my experiance, I was told the same.
I want to communucate with Jay. If this board is not that place, then there is no place in this board for me to be.
Shalom Alechem,
Lou
Posted by beardedlady on June 30, 2002, at 12:44:56
In reply to Re: It's proselytizing . » Lou Pilder » beardedlady, posted by lou pilder on June 30, 2002, at 11:36:37
When you're telling your "experience," it's one thing. When you answer everyone's post with something to the effect of, "Have you been to the City of Peace," you are steering the discussion back in the direction of your religion/religious experience. That is proselytizing.
I don't want you to be blocked from posting. I just want you to be aware that people who express themselves are not necessarily looking for Lou's City of Peace; in fact, most of them are not, as you are well aware (they have told you!). It does, indeed, sound like you are recruiting.
There are lots of types of people and many types of Jews. Jews for Jesus indeed proselytize. And I think you do, too. Maybe others disagree with me.
Please keep posting, Lou. Just be as sensitive to others' feelings about your topic of choice as you would like them to be about your one-track posting. Mutual respect is the key.
beardy : )>
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 30, 2002, at 13:58:27
In reply to Re: It's proselytizing. » lou pilder, posted by beardedlady on June 30, 2002, at 12:44:56
Beadedlady,
I want to converse with Jay.
Lou
Posted by oona on June 30, 2002, at 14:30:14
In reply to the tapestry of life... » oona, posted by IsoM on June 30, 2002, at 0:21:09
> Oona, I rarely post to this board but reading your post made me think of how I see life. We hear about the 'web of life' & how ecologically, everything is connected. But I see life more as a rich tapestry - threads interwoven through one another into a beautiful rich picture, not just a pleasing design. If you remove or break some of the threads, the picture still remains but looks a little thread worn. Take away too many threads & the tapestry starts deteriorating.
>
> The design & pattern to make a beautiful picture like life is meant to be took a Designer. It's far, far too complicated to just have happened by chance. I think we're still at the stage of being partially colourblind. Sort of like those tests they use for people who are partially colour blind - they can see part of the pattern but not all of it. We see a lot of the pictures in the tapestry but as we learn more & especially as we open our hearts, more of the picture shows in greater beauty than we thought possible. The flaws are not in the tapestry but in us, ouselves, who often can't see clearly.IsoM,
You are right about not always seeing clearly. Though we can not see clearly, we feel deeply. As we open our hearts, we take the chance of being wounded deeply. Because we do not see clearly yet, we do not hear clearly yet. We do not hear the true words that are being spoken, but we hear the words that are not being spoken. We hear the words that our mind expects to hear. We hear the criticism of our actions, we hear the doubts, the fears and the.... We do not hear the kind words, the words of support and love. Why would someone love us? They just think they do or they got stuck with us.We know all this.
We understand where the words are coming from.
We can separate the true from the false.
We have the understanding but to have the understanding and to apply it to our daily lives are two different realities.So, we do not pray anymore.
We just DO from day to day.
We try to DO no harm.
We are thankful for little happinesses that come our way, the puppy kiss, the hummingbird, a beautiful sunset (maybe for some it is winning a lottery or enjoying a movie).We hope for the day that we will not have to take our meds in a regular fashion.
We hope for the day we wake up refreshed after a full nights sleep and spend the day working or playing at a job or activity that gives us satisfaction and joy.
We hope for the day that we can have a conversation with our mate that does not end up in an argument or unpleasantness.
We hope for the day that our needs do not control us but that we are in control of our bodies, mind and soul.
We hope for that day.
oona
Posted by IsoM on June 30, 2002, at 15:12:35
In reply to seeing ... hearing ... being ... » IsoM, posted by oona on June 30, 2002, at 14:30:14
It's horrible to say but many times my sweet Mom drives me nuts - she's so addled at times that she repeats the same questions over & over. She forgets so many things said or done & she doesn't have Alzheimer's or anything else. She's just like that. But I do love her & try to be very patient with her. She's the reason for who I am in many ways.
You wrote "We do not hear the kind words, the words of support and love. Why would someone love us? They just think they do or they got stuck with us." My Mom is the reason I hear the kind words of love & support. She gave me so much growing up. She always accepted me & told me I was wonderful & talented. Sweet, dear Mom. I gave that gift to my sons too.
If there's anything I can give to others, it's to try to accept them as much as I can in my limited way. And to let others know what's wonderful about them. Not to try to harp on the negative qualities but to highlight the positive. The more we do that, the more they shine. One small way to bring happiness & hope for others.
I love your post. I hope for the day when things will always be better. For me, I know I'll always have to take meds, but I don't mind. Everyday, I have to eat & drink so I've excepted my limitations. Keep hoping, Oona.
Posted by lou pilder on June 30, 2002, at 18:43:03
In reply to Re: It's proselytizing. » lou pilder, posted by beardedlady on June 30, 2002, at 12:44:56
Beardedlady,
When someone asks a question , it is because they would appreciate knowing the answer to the question. There could be many reasons why the person that asked the question wanted to know the answer. When I asked Jay if he was ever in the City of Peace, I was serious. I believe that Jay has made a post on this board to get feedback from others. and I admire him, and all others here for haveing the courage to post here and not just stand by the waters and watch. The posters here jump into the waters. They are braving the consequences that could occur in the waters . You see, I see people here as those that are seeking to overcome their affliction. I do not beleive that any one here wants to stay drpressed. I return here because the peoplr here are my people. They are seeking to overcome. They are the bravest people that I know. They know that they are looked on as outcasts by the world. And I am an outcast. I know what it means and feels like to be an outcast. I know what rejection is. I know what ostracism is. Yes, I want to share my experiance with them because , perhaps, there is a chance that one of the least of my brethern here may "see the Rider on the White Horse". Maybe one of the least of my btrtheren may "see the Gate to the Road". And maybe they will overcome their depression. I will take the risk and brave the waters here on this board so that ,at least, I would have fought my best fight. When I was in the City of Peace, I was told, "It is better to please God than to please men. Endure the temptation to please men and you will receive The Crown of Life."
Lou
Posted by lou pilder on June 30, 2002, at 20:44:44
In reply to Re: It's proselytizing. » lou pilder, posted by beardedlady on June 30, 2002, at 12:44:56
Beardedlady,
You said, "When you answer evryone's post with something to the effect of, "Have you been to the City of Peace?" that this is , in your definition, proselytizing.
Now I just looked at the thread above and one poster asks 3 questions of faith to the other discussant.
Also, the post to Jay was the first time that I asked anyone if they had been to the City of Peace. Anyway, since I was posting to Jay, then Jay could easily decline my invitation to converse like others have done, and I will respect their wishes.In fact, I am now going to ask posters if they want me to be a discussant if I am going to tell any of my experiance. I will respect a no-answer to be a decline of my invitation to them. They will have to spacifically say that they welcomr me in their discussion or I will not post about the Road. But Jay could have wanted to discuss further. Maybe Jay did have some experiance. There was another poster recently that described her experiance of seeing a man on a throne. And a gold star on the wall. Jay's post was of the same, for he talked about life and death being a vapour. In the City of Peace, life is described as a vapour just like Jay said. My question is not in my definition pros., for I was not trying to get him to join any religion. Now I asked the person that had her experiance with the throne and star a question. Was that also pros. in your definition?
But what is needed here is for that word to be defined by the admin. So far, it hasn't because this board was created to be for those that wanted to use faith in their posts so that is what I have done .Any reprimand would , in my opinion, premature. All the posts on this board are for that purpose. Now if the admin. wants to define pros., then I will surly abide by that definition. But as of now, I have been led to believe that my posts are not pros., for I have been talking about the Road on the social board and I was never told that it was pros. Now a resonable man would conclude that since the Road was not pros. then, then it would not be pros. now. But if I am wrong, and the admin wants to now say that asking a question involving faith , on the faith board, is pros. then I will not ask any more questions that are about faith.
Shalom Alechem,
Lou
Posted by lou pilder on June 30, 2002, at 21:36:55
In reply to Re: It's proselytizing. » lou pilder, posted by beardedlady on June 30, 2002, at 12:44:56
Beardedlady,
You said that my post,sound, like recruiting. But I am not recruiting. For to recruit, there must be an object to recruit to. I have never mantioned an object for one to be recruited to. Now I know that there are some wonderfull people in the Jahovah's Witnesses, and the Catholics, and the non-Catholic Christiandom deneminations, and the jewish people and the Islamic people and the Hindus and the Bahuddists and the Scientologists and the Mormans and the athiests and the New Age people and the Zoroasterans and the Zen and the Wicca and the other 100s of groups that I can not list. And anyone cam join any group that they want to. I think that there are groups that can be of great help to people . I believe that each undividual must stand alone in front of God, though. I believe that membership in a group is just that. I wish that I knew which group was the one for me. But I have no affiliation for I have been rejected by all of them.I must say that there is one group that did come to my aid, but I will need clearence from Dr. Bob to tell that story for it could be construed that I would be promoting that group and I do not want that to be an issue. One can email me on that. None of them have beleived my report.
So I have no group to send someone to. Now I do meet with others , but I am not a member of their group.
"Keep a clean nose, don't tie no bows and stay away from those that carry round a firehose."
Lou
Posted by lou pilder on June 30, 2002, at 21:58:07
In reply to Re: It's proselytizing. » lou pilder, posted by beardedlady on June 30, 2002, at 12:44:56
Beadedlady,
You said that I am a one-track poster. that is untrue.
I have contributed many posts that I have received commendations for by other posters here, you include, that are on a different track than the Road.
There were people that responded to those posts that have been dormant. I consider that to be an acomplishment for I believe that people that are depressed can benifit greatly by posting. My posts are just as important as others here. Not MORE important, but EQUALLY important. Now I know that you said that you do not want me to be blocked, and I do not want anyone to be blocked either. But the pressure that you are putting on me is tremendous. You are appearing to me as an adversary.IT appears to me that you want me not to converse with others about the City of Peace. I think that because if your interrptation is what the faith board is supposed to be, then I would be guilty of violating the board by just telling my experiance. Now if I can not discuss with others here on the faith board my experiance on a one-to-one basis, then the only option left for me to tell of my experiance is to do it by email. Now since this faith board was set up to accomodate all faith experiances, then I feel that, untill otherwise clarified by the admin.,that I am correctly responding to this board.
Lou
Posted by lou pilder on June 30, 2002, at 22:21:51
In reply to Re: It's proselytizing. » lou pilder, posted by beardedlady on June 30, 2002, at 12:44:56
Beardedlady,
You are citing mutual respect. Now you did not say that I was disrespectful to Jay. I would rather that you not use this type of statement because it could have the potential of someone thinking that it is being accusitive. You see, a reasonable man could interrpret that statement to mean that I am guilty of disrespectfullneess. I have to tell you that that statement hurt me. And it hurt me badly. For I am not disrespectfull, I do not use profanity toward persons, I try to abide by the rules here and you even said that others gang up on me.
I do not need anyone's permission to post on any thread here and I am going to post without asking anyone's permission .I am retracting my position to ask permission to others to post. I am equally as good as anyone else here and I am not asking for special rights, just equal rights.
Lou
Posted by beardedlady on July 1, 2002, at 5:22:49
In reply to Lou's answer to beardedlady's post » beardedlady, posted by lou pilder on June 30, 2002, at 22:21:51
Lou:
> Please keep posting, Lou. Just be as sensitive to others' feelings about your topic of choice as you would like them to be
> about your one-track posting. Mutual respect is the key.
You misread my post. And I have, indeed, been there to support your right to post. I simply asked you to please be mindful of the concerns others have about you answering their every post with references to the Gates.I did not assume anything at all--any more than saying "Look both ways before you cross the street" assumes a person will NOT look both ways unless you tell him.
You are equally good.
beardy
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 1, 2002, at 7:26:17
In reply to equally good » lou pilder, posted by beardedlady on July 1, 2002, at 5:22:49
Beardedlady,
I have read and your post and I find that in it you are saying that my telling of my experiance on the faith board that I must be mindfull of their concerns about me referring to the gates.
Now this board was created for those to express themselves about their experiances with faith. For this is the proper board to do so.
We are in the rhelm of faith on the faith board. And faith has no boundries. Faith is what we have experianced , and my experiance is just as relavant as anyone elses experiance here.
Someone just wrote to me here on the faith board and complemented me for my response to her. Just because there are posters here that are attempting to arrouse bad feelings toward me does not mean that all of the posters here are trying to do so.
Beardedlady, I did not misread your post for you wrote that my experiance on the Road to The Crown of Life, when told by me ,that I must be mindful of concerns others have about you answering evry post with reference to the Gates.
My experiance on the Road is unseparatable with my faith. I actually experianced what I am writing about. And my faith is connected to that experiance. If I am not allowed to tell of my experiance on the Road, then I am not allowed to tell of my faith.
The faith board is for all of us to tell of our faith. It separates from the other boards. When someone comes to the faith board, they know that others will be expressing their faith. That is why the faith board was created. evryone knows that peoples posts will be about faith. There is no need to look in any direction for all know that the faith board is to provide the safty to speak about your faith. And my experiance is abourt my faith. Evryone knows what direction I am speaking from. There is no reason for anyone to be afriad of what I an going to say. People expect to here about faith on the faith board.
I do not think that your analogy is correct about looking both ways because evryone knows that that faith board is for the one way. Faith.
Lou
Posted by beardedlady on July 1, 2002, at 8:18:45
In reply to Re: equally good » lou pilder » beardedlady, posted by Lou Pilder on July 1, 2002, at 7:26:17
My analogy was fine. I was not comparing the faith board to crossing the street. I was simply telling you that I did not accuse you of being disrespectful any more than I would have accused someone of not looking both ways by telling him to look both ways.
I am done, Lou. I'm going on vacation. And when I return, I will use my better judgment and keep my opinions about these matters to myself.
beardy
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 1, 2002, at 9:01:33
In reply to my last words » Lou Pilder, posted by beardedlady on July 1, 2002, at 8:18:45
Beardedlady,
When you tell someone to look both ways, you are, in a sense, giving a warning. But the faith board is for those that want to express their experiances with faith, so I do not need to be warned about talking about The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life on the faith board. The faith board is to give those that want to express faith the security to do so, without fear of others. Now it appears that you are warning me that there are people that will, I guess, do something bad to me if I answer them with my experiance on the Road. If they do attempt to arrrouse bad feelings toward me, then I am now confident that there are others here that will see their transparent attempt to defame me and not give them any support to continue. And Dr. bob has admonished people recently to not tell others not to post. So I feel safe on the faith board and I can not separate my experiance from my faith. I do not believe that I should be warned to not referr to my experiance on the Road to participate on this board or that disrespectfullness, in any way, should be brought into my intentions about my posting on this board.
I respect all the posters here because they are living with an affliction that they did not ask for. I knew a man that drank himself into disability and ruin. He did it to himself. But I know another man that developed juvinile onset diabetes and is disabled from it. He did not bring his disability on himself yet he suffers. The posters here did not bring BPD or OCD or schizophrania on themselves. They have the courage to come to this board for support and education. I believe that I can give support to others by telling them about my faith which enabled me to overcome. That is what the faith board is for.
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 1, 2002, at 10:39:22
In reply to Re: It's proselytizing . » Lou Pilder » beardedlady, posted by lou pilder on June 30, 2002, at 11:36:37
> pros. to me means to try and recruit someone into a particular religion. Like Islam or Cristiandom. Jews do not pros. My experiance is what I am telling you as to what happenend to me that enabled me to overcome, and to fullfill a promise to the Rider.
I agree, IMO it's more telling people your story than trying to recruit them. They may not be interested in hearing it, but they don't have to listen...
Bob
PS: Further discussion about posting policies, or complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted. Thanks.
Posted by jay on July 1, 2002, at 11:05:25
In reply to Re: losing it, getting it back » jay, posted by beardedlady on June 30, 2002, at 6:27:48
> You could certainly see it that way, and I have. But I guess I truly believe in attitude adjustments. I am living proof that they work--and do so to your advantage. When I hear the birds, I don't ever think about the day I won't hear them anymore. When I see an amazing light from the sky--colors and shadows and intensity--I don't think about death or winding up in hell, nor do I think about god. I just think how absolutely beautiful it is.
>
> Living in the moment has its advantages.
>
> Even with our depression and our ADD and OCD and all the other mental illnesses we have, I still believe we can do plenty of things to help ourselves. Changing self-pity to acceptance, perhaps (which doesn't mean you stop trying to improve your lot--ever!), can make all the difference. It has in me. I am far less moody and pessimistic than I was when I first got insomnia and panic.
>
> So that was the key for me. You can still be a cynical fatalist (that's what many of us are) and enjoy those little moments. You just have to figure out where your G-spot is and keep your finger on the button for awhile until you like feeling that way so much you search for it everywhere.
>
> beardy : )>Thanks for the great post, Beardy. I really like your analogies..really!..hehe. I think it is honestly the 'cycling' of this illness, not just bipolar, but everything...the flux of the depression and anxiety. I think so many of us are so scared of waking up anxious and depressed, it becomes automatic. Then we get better days where we break out of the cycle, and then get fearful and depressed about it's possible return, that we get, as it is often said, "..depressed about being depressed". There is a strong component of fear here, and I *really* think it is the anxiety that drives people to all of the associated behaviours.
That's what I really see...a lot of very, very scared, terrified people..and I see it in myself. We are depressed about where we have been, or something that happened, and terrified and anxious about what *will* happen. It is indeed a vicious, unrelentless, inhumane cycle. It's really nihilistic, and fatalistic, and even beyond my "previous" cynical views. I think it's when we look back at that old self, and see we could draw the line in our cynicism, but can't now (or when we are in a deep depression esp.)
So, I do believe that when we get our 'better' days, we should run as fast and hard as we can with them, and *not* become comfortable with having depression and anxiety.(Or whatever we have!) I guess, it's sorta like "living for the moment"...and going for that 'emotional G-Spot'..I like that..lol..and I don't mean to be offensive, but feeling good 'on life' is almost something like an 'emotional orgasm'. It's a matter of sustaining that..and celebrating a moment as it turns into one more. Really, it is 'One Little Victory' each day we can beat the demons and the phantoms.
Am I being too happy for a Cynical Fatalist? :-)
Thanks....
Jay
Posted by jay on July 1, 2002, at 11:27:29
In reply to Re: Finding god in a vapour trail...and losing it... » jay, posted by Lou Pilder on June 30, 2002, at 8:19:51
> Jay,
> When I was in the City of Peace, I boasted to some that when I returned to the world thatI would do such-and-such. Then I was told,
> "You do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away."
> Jay, have you been to that City?
> LouI don't know if I have been to the City you mention Lou. I got the idea actually, from a book I am reading,(a true story) which is about a man who loses his only child in an accident one year, and then his wife dies of cancer the next year. The poor soul becomes deeply suicidal, and the only way he feels he can continue is to 'escape'...and he does this by taking his motorbike, and rides it for almost a year and a half on a trip from Quebec, to Alaska, then down to Mexico. He finds lots of beauty...but he doesn't find peace.
Is *the* answer to 'escape'? In some ways, we use medications to alter our reality, which is a 'bit' of an escape, and we also use religion to fit our lives, which is also a bit of an escape. Maybe 'escaping' isn't so bad afterall. If we can make another journey a part of our reality, I think it is a great thing. I used to scoff at religion, but it helps me now, really, to adapt my reality to one of more depth, more understanding.
Do you know what I mean? I guess it really is about closing our eyes, and having that Faith, even in the darkest of times when we can't afford to close our eyes. It's the painful feeling, the one of loss, though, that hurts me the most. That's why I talk about the short-lived vapor trail, and my deep fears of losing the ones I love, and my fear of never getting myself grounded again. That fear is preventing me from having the Faith I so much need.
I hope that makes sence...
Thanks
Jay
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 1, 2002, at 11:48:05
In reply to Re: Finding god in a vapour trail...and losing it... » Lou Pilder, posted by jay on July 1, 2002, at 11:27:29
Jay,
I am so glad that you responded to my post to you. Your answer is very deep, for it speaks more than volumes. It speaks librarys.
You have been to the depths of one's soul and I will try to respond soon.
Best Regards,
Lou
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