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Posted by beardedlady on June 27, 2002, at 16:43:01
In reply to censorship of lou... » Bookgurl99, posted by krazy kat on June 26, 2002, at 20:31:09
> heh, there. i hesitate to post this. but i "think" i can make my point quickly and civily.
> please do go forward with your discussions with lou. But also, perhaps, check some archives of folks you have come in touch with here re: lou.
> i would not post this at all if i had not developed some sense of you from your contributions here.
> again, not trying to disuade you, but there is a history you might not be aware of.kk:
We have this board because of those of you who objected to Lou's religious posts. (I'm not saying it was your suggestion; I'm saying this was Dr. Bob's solution to the complaints.) Now that we have it, and now that Lou's block has ended, he should be allowed to post. But he should also be allowed to do it in relative peace.
No matter how you slice it, there's no civil way to tell someone to watch out for another, right in front of that other. Think about it: how would you feel if someone started a conversation with you because she found you interesting, and I posted, in a place where you could see it, "Be careful talking to KK. She has made people angry and offended them."
That's something you might have done in a personal e-mail to Bookgurl.
You know, I feel like I'm always running to Lou's defense. I can't help it. I think his last block only came about because so many people were just ganging up on him.
It makes me sad when any person is treated like a leper. We have already relegated Lou's religious posts to this board. It's not fair to now turn others against him when he is following the rules.
beardy
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2002, at 21:54:00
In reply to oh dear why am I getting into this? » Lou Pilder, posted by SandraDee on June 27, 2002, at 15:07:56
SandraDee,
Thank you for your interest in my experiance. In my experiance, it was revealed to me that all we like sheep have gone astray. But there is a Good Shepherd that is seeking His sheep. These sheep will never feel the sting of death. The grave will not be the final place for those sheep. When I was in the City of Peace, the Rider said to me, "I am the Gate to the sheepfold. And I am the Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd gives his life for the sheep. As you walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, you will be comforted. There will be no sting in death and the grave will have no victory."
SandraDee, I can only tell you what I experianced. I have been given the revelation that there is no death or hell for those that receive the Crown of Life. And I was told in the City of Peace that ,"All things work for the good for The Called". That means that even our afflictions work toward our good, for ALL things work together for the good for those that are The Called. But who are The Called? The Good Shpherd said, "My sheep hear my voice". The Shepherd is calling those that are laboring and are seeking rest. The Shepherd is calling all those that are suffering. The Shepherd is calling all those that are conscious of their hopelessness. The Shepherd is calling those that are hungering and thirsting for rightiousness. The Shepherd is calling the meek. The shepherd is calling those that mourn. The Shepherd is calling those that are merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. The shepherd is calling those that are pure in heart. The Shepherd is calling the peacemakers. The Shepherd is calling those that are persecuted for rightiousness sake. The Shepard is calling all those that believe in love, for God is love. The Shepard is calling all of the lost sheep, and ALL of us, like sheep have gone astray
SandraDee, I guess that if a person is not ill, then they are not in need of a physician. If a person believes that they are not lost, then they do not need to be found. For those people, I do not know what is in store for them. But for me, I know what course I should take. For when I was in the City of Peace, I was told, "Seek first the Kingdom of God and His rightiousness, and all the things that the Children of God are given, will be given to you."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2002, at 22:18:44
In reply to That's not very nice. » krazy kat , posted by beardedlady on June 27, 2002, at 16:43:01
Beardedlady,
Thank you very much for your "running to Lou's defense."
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 28, 2002, at 11:52:09
In reply to Re: The Narrow Gate » Bookgurl99, posted by bookgurl99 on June 27, 2002, at 16:09:18
> I am interested in discussing the nature of God in general, and I do find your experiences interesting. But, I am not interested in hearing a full re-telling of your experience. I understand that it is very meaningful to you to share this with others. And the Faith board was set up in part for us to share these experiences with each other.
>
> I feel that you are making a missionary attempt in sharing these with me. As I said, the knowledge you have is interesting. But it becomes quite overwhelming, tiresome, and in the end, insignificant, to see a huge post on a new idea every day or several times a day.Well, significance is in the eye of the beholder. I think that as long as someone is civil (which includes not proselytizing) and what they're posting about is appropriate to the board, they should be allowed to post. At the same time, everyone is free to decide for themselves which posts they read and which they don't. So I'd prefer for people not to read than to ask someone else not to post. Thanks,
Bob
PS: Further discussion about posting policies, or complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posted by IsoM on June 28, 2002, at 16:19:25
In reply to Re: The Narrow Gate » Bookgurl99, posted by bookgurl99 on June 27, 2002, at 16:09:18
Bookgurl, I don't agree with Lou's stories but that's why this board was created - to let whoever wanted to talk about their beliefs in whatever form they wanted to as long as they were civil. I think Lou's experiences are so real & important to him that this is the best way he can use to share his ideas with others. It's one reason I avoid dicussing it entirely.
If there's something specific you'd like to know about from him, why not put that question forward & ask for his opinion or ideas on just that point alone?
I know you're not putting Lou down personally, but you were hoping for another sort of discussion from him. Perhaps you could steer him in a specific direction if you're interested to know more.
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 28, 2002, at 17:08:45
In reply to Re: A Phanerosis » bookgurl99 » lou pilder, posted by Bookgurl99 on June 26, 2002, at 13:47:00
bookgurl,
In your post, you mentioned that you had suicide feelings and that there was a time in your youth that you wanted to "refind"
When someone posts on this board that they have suicide feelings, I take them seriously. And I know about suicide feelings, for I have experianced them also.
I responded to your plea to "refind it". Your dream that you described was real. I have known others that have had the same dream. But the part that is the most important is the gold object on the wall. It is a sign to you. And all I wanted to do is be of help to you to explain the sign of the Star. You see, the Star was placed there. God places Stars to guide people to something. When the Anointed One was born, God created a special Star to guide those from the East that were seeking The King that would redeem mankind from death and hell. The star was placed over where they could find Him.
God is not a respector of persons. If He placed a star to guide those 2000 years ago, He will place a star for us to guide us to The King also.
But when the men from the East found the star and the King, they gave Him gifts. One of those gifts was gold. Your star was gold. Gold for the King . And then the men from the East were warned in a DREAM to depart back to their own country. God connects His star with a Dream. You had a dream. Dreams can come true if they happen to you.
Lou
Posted by SandraDee on June 28, 2002, at 17:12:53
In reply to Re: oh dear why am I getting into this? » Lou Pilder » SandraDee, posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2002, at 21:54:00
Lou,
Just clarifying what you said in response to my question.
So, like I said then... We are all called, but some tend to not want to go that route (or Road) and therefore are not 'saved'? For the others that listen and want to know Him, there will be an awesome place... Is that what you are saying? Please - long-story-short. I'm just mainly interested in the answer to my question.
Thanks so much!
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 28, 2002, at 21:41:10
In reply to just clarifying.... » Lou Pilder, posted by SandraDee on June 28, 2002, at 17:12:53
SandraDee,
I would like to answer your question very much.It is an important question and I asked the same question when I was in the City of Peace.
I was taken to a Time-Gate and accelerated into the future so that I would be shown the answer to that question. The question was:after death, then what?
I was first shown that time is going in reverse. You see, the earth is going to be destroyed by fire. That is one of the Lakes of Fire. There are many Lakes of Fire. We are moving back to that instant before the creation and the Earth will be destroyed by fire and the City of Peace will remain for The Called to live forever with God.
Now the question that you are interested in will be answered next.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 28, 2002, at 21:55:51
In reply to just clarifying.... » Lou Pilder, posted by SandraDee on June 28, 2002, at 17:12:53
SandraDee,
Now one of the people in the called are those that are suffering. I was told in the City of Peace ,"that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. You shall be delivered from your slavery to your corruption into the glorious libety of the Children of God."
You see, first, the Called all know that they are suffering as being in human form. We get older and sick and degrade into death. We are corrupt. But in The City of Peace, there will be no death. Actually, we will be all new creatures, without memory of our former lives. That will be erased.
I will tell you more , next.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 28, 2002, at 22:18:21
In reply to SandaraDee's important question, posted by Lou Pilder on June 28, 2002, at 21:55:51
SandraDee,
The world is a place that The Called have to overcome. The Called are not of the world, although they are in the world. The Called have their hearts toward God and His rightiousness. The Called want to store up treasures in heaven. The world people have their minds fixed on material things of the world. They want power and prestige and welth.
When I was in The City of Peace, the Rider said to me, "In the world you will have tibulation. In me you will have peace. Be of good cheer. I have overcome the world."
I will tell more, next.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 28, 2002, at 22:43:18
In reply to Re: SandaraDee's important question:The World, posted by Lou Pilder on June 28, 2002, at 22:18:21
SandraDee,
I was also shown The Wrath of God. The people that made a choice to be the enemys of God recieved the Wrath of God. You see, hell was prepared for The Devil and his followers. It was not prepared for man. Man was created to live forever. Death came into the world after the creation. I asked about this in the City of Peace and was told,"The Lord is not slack concering His promis, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
I will tell you more, next.
Lou
Posted by SandraDee on June 28, 2002, at 23:44:36
In reply to Re: SandaraDee's important question:, posted by Lou Pilder on June 28, 2002, at 22:43:18
I just asked a simple question to try to understand you a little better... but I can see that it is too hard. I will bow out of this conversation because you will not answer my simple question. It reminds me of a time I had the "Church of Latter Day Saints" people in and asked them ONE simple question... "Do you beleive in the trinity?" And they could not and would not answer me. The young missionaries kept dancing around my question telling me they had to teach me all this other stuff before they could answer my ONE SIMPLE QUESTION. So thank you anyway... I guess I learned one thing, that I sort of already knew (FOR ME): Stay out of discussions such as this. Anyone else interested in getting tangled up in a LENGTHY discussion/debate with you is free to do so. I don't have that kind of time.
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 29, 2002, at 7:32:04
In reply to 4 paragraphs and my simple question not answered. » Lou Pilder, posted by SandraDee on June 28, 2002, at 23:44:36
SandraDee,
Dr. Bob cited a quote from a U.S. Supreme Court Justice. He said, "I know it when I see it." Now in order to see something, you must be in the visible range to see it. You must be close enough to see it. In answering your question, I must bring you close enough to it so that you can see it.
When the Anointed One started to answer all the peoples questions, the first thing that He said was, "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand." Now those people that He was talking to were very knowlegable in those terms but still needed to be drawn closer to the Truth in order to "see" what He was saying. I can imagine that there were people there who wondered what he meant by "repent," or "the Kingdom of Heaven." I suppose that there were people that thought that the man was insane. I suppose that there were people that went to the market and ignored Him. I suppose that there were people that challenged Him and tried to entrap Him or frame Him. I suppose that there were people that wanted to kill him. And there were people that wanted a straight answer that instant. But He could not answer immmediatly because they were not close enough yet to understand.. What your question entails for me to answer is to tell the last two Gates. And I am going to do that. But first, I must bring you close enough so you can "see it."
Now I could skip up to the last Gate now if you want me to, but if you came to a play in the last scene, how would you know what it meant without seeing all the other acts amd scenes?.
But I will tell you more so that you can come closer to see the answer.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 29, 2002, at 8:01:04
In reply to The answer will be seen » SandraDee, posted by Lou Pilder on June 29, 2002, at 7:32:04
SandraDee,
In that time-Gate I saw The Son of Man in His glory with all the angels around Him while He was sitting in His throne. And before Him were all the people and they were separated, like sheep from goats. And He said to the sheep, "Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
For I was hungered, and you gave me meat: I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you took me in.
Naked and you clothed me: I was in prison and you came into me. Then I saw some say," when did we see you hungry and feed you? or thirsty and give you drink? or saw you a stranger and took you in, or naked and clothed you?"
"Or when did we see you sick or in prison, and came onto you?"
He answered us and said, "Inasmuch as you have done it to one of the least of my brethren,you have done it to me."
I will tell you next, what He said to the other people.
Lou
Posted by SandraDee on June 29, 2002, at 10:22:32
In reply to Re: The answer will be seen » SandraDee, posted by Lou Pilder on June 29, 2002, at 8:01:04
Since you are not answering my question I sort of just barely skimmed your post. I do not want to hear about the Road. I do not wish to hear of the City of Peace at this time (which is why I skimmed over it), I just asked a simple question on what you beleive. I know what *I* beleive already as I posted before on a different thread. Thanks anyhow, and like I said before it was interesting TRYING to have a conversation with you.
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 29, 2002, at 17:07:33
In reply to breezing through » Lou Pilder, posted by SandraDee on June 29, 2002, at 10:22:32
SandraDee,
I will respect that you do not want to hear about the City of Peace or the Road. I could answer your question, though, by not mentioning the experiance that I had.
You said that you are interested in trying to have a conversation with me. If that means that you will have a conversation with me ,with the restriction that I do not mention my experiance, then I would be delighted.
Best Wishes,
Lou
Posted by oona on June 30, 2002, at 14:41:21
In reply to Re: what do you think about god? » Bookgurl99, posted by krazy kat on June 24, 2002, at 15:59:44
Hey kk,
Just reading old posts and will not post on the gender of god at this time (see my post on god and trees) but was interested in the vision of the sunset in NM.
I am also here in NM, and once saw a giant cross in the sky but it was made by the jets that make those contrails in the sky. Thought they may be playing a joke on us about the coming of Jessus or something....anyway, we are closer to god here in NM being over a mile or more high (some of us are higher than others, depending on our mindset)
oona
Posted by bookgurl99 on June 30, 2002, at 22:40:34
In reply to Lou and bookgurl » Bookgurl99, posted by Lou Pilder on June 28, 2002, at 17:08:45
> bookgurl,
> In your post, you mentioned that you had suicide feelings and that there was a time in your youth that you wanted to "refind"
> When someone posts on this board that they have suicide feelings, I take them seriously. And I know about suicide feelings, for I have experianced them also.
> I responded to your plea to "refind it". Your dream that you described was real. I have known others that have had the same dream. But the part that is the most important is the gold object on the wall. It is a sign to you. And all I wanted to do is be of help to you to explain the sign of the Star. You see, the Star was placed there. God places Stars to guide people to something. When the Anointed One was born, God created a special Star to guide those from the East that were seeking The King that would redeem mankind from death and hell. The star was placed over where they could find Him.
> God is not a respector of persons. If He placed a star to guide those 2000 years ago, He will place a star for us to guide us to The King also.
> But when the men from the East found the star and the King, they gave Him gifts. One of those gifts was gold. Your star was gold. Gold for the King . And then the men from the East were warned in a DREAM to depart back to their own country. God connects His star with a Dream. You had a dream. Dreams can come true if they happen to you.
> Lou
Lou,I really appreciate your positive interpretation of this dream. I am amazed by your ability to make connections between divergent realities. Thanks for the note --
bookgurl99
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 1, 2002, at 10:28:06
In reply to breezing through » Lou Pilder, posted by SandraDee on June 29, 2002, at 10:22:32
> I do not want to hear about the Road.
I don't think it's so supportive to tell someone you don't want to hear what they have to say. See:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20020527/msgs/250.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by krazy kat on July 1, 2002, at 11:44:38
In reply to That's not very nice. » krazy kat , posted by beardedlady on June 27, 2002, at 16:43:01
i actually didn't even criticize lou's posts. i just wanted book girl to know that there is a history to these threads.
i still stand by my "involvement" in the development of the faith board.
i guess with this post one of my concerns was that no one else was joining in on the lou/bookgirl thread and so it wasn't fair-sided.
you just told me "that wasn't very nice" - should I take that personally? :)
- kk
Posted by krazy kat on July 1, 2002, at 11:46:49
In reply to Re: what do you think about god? » Bookgurl99 » krazy kat , posted by oona on June 30, 2002, at 14:41:21
NM is so very strongly in my heart. I envy you. :)
Posted by krazy kat on July 1, 2002, at 11:50:06
In reply to Re: Lou and bookgurl » Bookgurl99 » Lou Pilder, posted by bookgurl99 on June 30, 2002, at 22:40:34
i should not have used the term censorship. but i was bringing up a valid point re: the history of these threads and the fact the BookGirl would not be aware of them.
I am so tired of this site again... ;) I'll be heading off for a break. Amazing how it drains one.
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 1, 2002, at 12:01:39
In reply to censorship of lou should have been history, posted by krazy kat on July 1, 2002, at 11:50:06
Krazy Kat,
Welcome back . I have missed you. You see, you were one of the first people 6 months ago that responded to one of my posts. I believe that one day, and it will be a great day, that all of us will sit down at the table of peace and that all of our differences will be buried and we will remember them no more.
Maybe not today, and maybe not tomorrow, but soon.
Lou
Posted by SandraDee on July 1, 2002, at 13:38:00
In reply to Re: please be supportive » SandraDee, posted by Dr. Bob on July 1, 2002, at 10:28:06
I asked him a simple question, and several times he responded, without answering my question. I just asked him to answer it without reference to the Road, or City of Peace, and he can't do it, so I backed out of the thread altogether. Like you said, if ya don't like it, don't read it (or something to those words...) and also, if you have a problem with it, just don't respond - which I haven't responded to him, because he refuses to answer my question, still. No biggie. Life goes on, I'm not crushed over it, and I never called him any names or anything. I don't care if he posts about the Road, I just wanted him to answer my question without reference to the Road or City of Peace. :)
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 1, 2002, at 15:52:17
In reply to I thought I was being supportive. » Dr. Bob, posted by SandraDee on July 1, 2002, at 13:38:00
SandraDee,
My apologies for not answering your question immediatly and without sharing with you what I experianced on the Road. I would like to just give you an answer immediatly like you requested without my experiance , but the answer comes from my experiance and I can not separate one from the other.
Also, the answer to your question is very lengthly. You see, I know you understand that there will be a ressurection of the dead, for you talked about being "saved". You see, it was revealed to me that there would be more than one resurrection from the dead. Those that did good, and those that did evil. But is was also revealed to me that there are people that were niether good nor evil. A newborn baby that died at birth would not have done good or evil. A person that has their mind impaired due to illness, such as Alzhiemer's or extreme mental illness would not be able to do good or evil while they were impaired. I know a man that was in the VietNam war and can not live a normal life for he sees the horrors of war before him all day. His condition is beyond post-tramatic syndrome. He can not do good or evil while he is in that state of mind. So what I am saying is that it is not a simple answer to give. But there is an answer and when , or if, you decide that you want to discuss this with me, I would be glad to do so with you. I do understand your frustration with me, and I do not hold it against you for being upset with me. but your original question about the people that do not go on the Road can be answered this way:
I have been telling you of an extreme experiance that is on the complete end of a spectrum of experiances. But there are experiances on the other end of the spectrum , or in between. So someone does not have to have the same type of experiance that I had.
Best regards,
Lou
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