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Posted by krazy kat on June 24, 2002, at 15:59:44
I saw Jesus in the sky in New Mexico after a dessert storm, standing in the clouds. The light shone softly and brilliantly, like it only can in New Mexico, in streams onto the red earth.
Would God be a 'he'? I do think so... but then I haven't ruled out multiple gods or something else... :)
> > Right now, for me, the existence of God or multiple lives, or some force behind the universe, is the only thing that makes me able to live and handle my own personal suffering and the suffering of the multitudes in the world.
This is interesting because some people have trouble with the concept of God Because of the suffering and evil - why would he allow it?
- kk
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 24, 2002, at 23:58:57
In reply to Re: what do you think about god? » Bookgurl99, posted by krazy kat on June 24, 2002, at 15:59:44
Krazy Kat,
You know, people say that I must be psychotic when I tell them of my experiance. But it was real. I did experiance all that I have written in the Road. Could you tell more about what you saw that night?(day)
Were there others around the figure that you say that you saw? Did the sky roll back like a scrool? did a ladder come down? Was there a great noise? Did you see a horse? Did a Gate open to heaven?
You see, I also experianced something similar. there are time-gates on the Road. They open to the past and the future. I have described a few , one with the General and one in Yankee Stadium. There are others that I havn't spoken of yet. Could you say more about that experiance that you had in the dessert that night (day).
Lou
Posted by bookgurl99 on June 25, 2002, at 8:31:02
In reply to Re: what do you think about god? » Bookgurl99, posted by krazy kat on June 24, 2002, at 15:59:44
> I saw Jesus in the sky in New Mexico after a dessert storm, standing in the clouds. The light shone softly and brilliantly, like it only can in New Mexico, in streams onto the red earth.
Wow. Not to be weird, but, what did Jesus look like? And were you 'on' anything at the time? How could you tell it was Jesus?
In my dream, when I was 10, I couldn't see God's face, but he sat on a throne, and had dark-haired men standing to the left and right of him.
When I was 7, and saw an angel, it was in the middle of the night at home. I opened the door to my parent's bedroom, wanting to go down the hall and use the bathroom. The light from my door swung out and hit my parents' open bedroom door. I tall man (like 7 feet tall, or more) leaned under the door jamb. He was white, made out of a bluish-white light. Like a pencil drawing. I looked into his face; even his pupils were a shade of white. He smiled and held out his hand. Terrified, I ran back into my bedroom and jumped onto my twin sister's bed.
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> Would God be a 'he'? I do think so... but then I haven't ruled out multiple gods or something else... :)
>
I think God could be genderless, or multi-gendered. The original word for 'spirit,' was, I believe, without gender.> > > Right now, for me, the existence of God or multiple lives, or some force behind the universe, is the only thing that makes me able to live and handle my own personal suffering and the suffering of the multitudes in the world.
>
> This is interesting because some people have trouble with the concept of God Because of the suffering and evil - why would he allow it?
>
I guess I want to believe that in the long run there's a meaning to all this.bookgurl99
Posted by krazy kat on June 25, 2002, at 14:13:37
In reply to Re: Genderedness of God, posted by bookgurl99 on June 25, 2002, at 8:31:02
>> Wow. Not to be weird, but, what did Jesus look like? And were you 'on' anything at the time? How could you tell it was Jesus?
Well, he looked like the Jesus in my little bible. :) With his hands held out as if saying, "welcome". I was only about 12, so no outward help at that point. ;) It did seem surreal, though, not just an overactive imagination.
Your visions were much more vivid.
> I think God could be genderless, or multi-gendered. The original word for 'spirit,' was, I believe, without gender.true
> I guess I want to believe that in the long run there's a meaning to all this.
>
> bookgurl99
good luck. i'm sorry you're going through a tough time right now...
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 25, 2002, at 14:30:23
In reply to Re: Genderedness of God, posted by bookgurl99 on June 25, 2002, at 8:31:02
Bookgirl,
Can you remember any other details in your experiance?
Lou
Posted by Bookgurl99 on June 25, 2002, at 14:49:51
In reply to Re: Genderedness of God » bookgurl99, posted by Lou Pilder on June 25, 2002, at 14:30:23
> Bookgirl,
> Can you remember any other details in your experiance?
> LouLou,
I just remembered what I reported. There's was none of the things you experienced -- no ladder from heaven, no sound, etc.
I can say that in my dream, God looked to live in a place that was like a nice Holiday inn. I remember a solid gold hanging on the wall.
bookgurl99
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 25, 2002, at 15:40:13
In reply to Re: Genderedness of God » bookgurl99 » Lou Pilder, posted by Bookgurl99 on June 25, 2002, at 14:49:51
Bookgirl,
Whatwas hanging on th all that was solid gold?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 25, 2002, at 16:20:01
In reply to Re: Genderedness of God, posted by bookgurl99 on June 25, 2002, at 8:31:02
Bookgirl,
Could you remember if The Man on the Throne that you saw was wareing a crown? or many crowns?
Lou
Posted by bookgurl99 on June 25, 2002, at 22:24:17
In reply to Man on the Throne » bookgurl99, posted by Lou Pilder on June 25, 2002, at 16:20:01
Lou,
In my dream, I went to heaven. I could not see God's face as he sat on the throne. Hence, I could not see crowns or anything like that.
The gold-like hanging on the wall had a dull sheen to it and was like a big star or sun-like shape.
Strange, hmm?
Posted by lou pilder on June 25, 2002, at 22:30:29
In reply to Re: Man on the Throne » bookgurl99 » Lou Pilder, posted by bookgurl99 on June 25, 2002, at 22:24:17
bookgirl,
What you experianced is called a phanerosis. I have known others that have also experianced a phanerosis.
The thing on the wall I will comment on next.
Lou
Posted by bookgurl99 on June 25, 2002, at 22:31:23
In reply to Re: Man on the Throne » bookgurl99 » Lou Pilder » bookgurl99, posted by lou pilder on June 25, 2002, at 22:30:29
> bookgirl,
> What you experianced is called a phanerosis. I have known others that have also experianced a phanerosis.
> The thing on the wall I will comment on next.
> LouWhat is a phanerosis?
Posted by lou pilder on June 26, 2002, at 11:23:29
In reply to Re: Man on the Throne » bookgurl99 » Lou Pilder » bookgurl99, posted by bookgurl99 on June 25, 2002, at 22:31:23
bookgurl99,
What you experianced is called a phanerosis. A phanerosis is when God appears in another form, usually a person. When you saw the man on the thrown, you saw God, but God manifested in a human. For God is not in humanform. He can not be seen. But He can manifest himself as a person. That is a phanerosis.
To have a phanerosis requirers something and when I was in the City of Peace, I asked what was requirered to see God. The Rider said to me, "Blessed are the pure in heart,for they shall see God". Also, "You are the Children of God."
So I believe that you saw God manifested as a King on His thrown becuse you were "pure in heart" and you were a child at that time that you had the experiance.
For the past 6 months you have been hearing about the Road to the Crown of Life that I have been telling about. It is a Road to purification. It is a Road that enables one to have a pure heart. It is a Road that you will see God. That is why the first Gate is to forgive. You can not have a pure heart while you have anger and resentment and desire for vengence. But those that establish peace with their neighbors, they will be the children of God. They will see God. For the Rider went on to say, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the Sons of God.
Lou
Posted by Bookgurl99 on June 26, 2002, at 13:47:00
In reply to A Phanerosis » bookgurl99, posted by lou pilder on June 26, 2002, at 11:23:29
Thanks so much for your information, Lou. I find it quite interesting.
Someone commented years ago that I seemed to be 'an innocent,' someone who no matter what seems to be untouched by the 'world,' so perhaps I had that quality as a child.
Now that I have suicidal feelings and done some other things against my nature, I feel that I have lost that part of me. But perhaps I can 'refind' it.
Posted by lou pilder on June 26, 2002, at 14:04:11
In reply to Re: A Phanerosis » bookgurl99 » lou pilder, posted by Bookgurl99 on June 26, 2002, at 13:47:00
bookgurl,
You said ,"But perhaps ,I can refind it", that part of you that you say you have lost.
You see, if you want to find something, then you have to seek it. When I was in the City of Peace, I asked how one could find God. I was told, "You will seek Him and find Him when you serch for Him with all your heart."
Lou
Posted by krazy kat on June 26, 2002, at 20:31:09
In reply to Re: A Phanerosis » bookgurl99 » lou pilder, posted by Bookgurl99 on June 26, 2002, at 13:47:00
heh, there. i hesitate to post this. but i "think" i can make my point quickly and civily.
please do go forward with your discussions with lou. But also, perhaps, check some archives of folks you have come in touch with here re: lou.
i would not post this at all if i had not developed some sense of you from your contributions here.
again, not trying to disuade you, but there is a history you might not be aware of.
- kk
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 26, 2002, at 20:48:24
In reply to Re: Man on the Throne » bookgurl99 » Lou Pilder, posted by bookgurl99 on June 25, 2002, at 22:24:17
Bookgurl,
The star object on the wall, with a dull sheen, made of gold is significant. I can explain this tomorrow, for it is lenghthly.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2002, at 7:27:01
In reply to Re: Man on the Throne » bookgurl99 » Lou Pilder, posted by bookgurl99 on June 25, 2002, at 22:24:17
bookgurl,
The star has great significance in your experiance. You see, the star is used by God to guide. The star is light. And God is light. All through our lives we can look up and see the stars. And on the 4th day of creation, God said,"Let there be lights in the firmamen of the heaven: And let them be for SIGNS..." The stars are for signs. The star that you saw on the wall is for a sign to you.
While I was on the Road, I was told by the Rider,"He who overcomes, I will give him the morning star."
I will tell you, next, about the morning star.
Lou
Posted by Bookgurl99 on June 27, 2002, at 8:18:31
In reply to censorship of lou... » Bookgurl99, posted by krazy kat on June 26, 2002, at 20:31:09
History?
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2002, at 11:49:37
In reply to Re: A Phanerosis » bookgurl99 » lou pilder, posted by Bookgurl99 on June 26, 2002, at 13:47:00
Bookgurl,
You said,"perhaps I can refind it" What you are referring to is called the Restoration. You see, we live in a dark place .The world is in darkness. There is death and destruction in the news all the time. There is the darkness of human reprobateness on the front pages every day.
You had an experiance where the darkness was removed by the light. And there is a Light That Shines In A Dark Place. That Light will enable you to "refind" it. You see, the darkness came to you after you ceased being a child. But you can be Restored. And it is the Morning Star that will illuminate your heart and you will be able to "refind" it. I will tell you next, about how the Morning Star will illuminate you.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2002, at 12:17:58
In reply to Re: A Phanerosis » bookgurl99 » lou pilder, posted by Bookgurl99 on June 26, 2002, at 13:47:00
Bookgurl,
When I was in the City of Peace, I was told, "He that overcomes will be given the Morning Star." There are three things that we must overcome. They all are the darkness.First, They are the darkness of ourselves. We must overcome the flesh that we are made of. Our hearts are despartly wicked. Our minds are wicked with lust and greed and pride. We must overcome the Flesh.
We must also overcome the World. The World is telling us great lies. We must overcome those lies. The world is directed by the Great Liar.
We must overcome The Great Liar. There is one that has made us believe these lies. We are slaves to his lies. But we can be set free from the shakles of slavery to him by knowing the truth,. For the truth will set you free. Resist the Deceiver and he shall flee. Yes, the Great Liar is the devil.
The Morning Star has conquered the world, the flesh and the devil. He has rode triumphatly on a White Horse and conquered them all. Death and hell have been destroyed. I have experianced going to a place prepared for us that has no pain, , no awful memories, no tears, and no death. It is a place where you are restored to when there was no darkness.
i will tell you, next, more about The Restoration that is prepared for us.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2002, at 14:58:08
In reply to Re: A Phanerosis » bookgurl99 » lou pilder, posted by Bookgurl99 on June 26, 2002, at 13:47:00
bookgurl,
KK asked you to review the history of my posting here. In the history , you will see a post about "The Narrow Gate." The Narrow Gate is a Gate on the Road to overcomming that we must go through to recieve The Crown of Life.
The Narrow Gate is like a turnstile. You can not take anything with you in order to go throgh that Gate. Also, you must go alone. Also, the Gate opened to "The Clown's Entrance". You see, some people will laugh at you for going through that Gate. Then there was a Narrow Path that led to a circus. I found that the circus is a symbol of the world in my experiance. And the
Narrow Path was straight. It was straight because once you are on the path, there won't be any diversions. It will be a straight walk. You will not be able to veer to one side. This is good! For there are boundries on each side of the path so that you can travle it easily.
When I was in the City of Peace, The Rider said to me," Come into me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me, for my yoke is EASY and my burden is light."
Along the Road , you will be tempted. But in the City of Peace, I was told,"Blessed is the one that endurs temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life."
I will explain more, next.
Lou
Posted by SandraDee on June 27, 2002, at 15:07:56
In reply to To Overcomw » Bookgurl99, posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2002, at 12:17:58
God knows how I hate debates or tense discussions such as this but I do have a question that I really would like to see answered here.
You stated: "Death and hell have been destroyed."
So you are saying that there is no hell or death? Do you really beleive that? Or just that we are free from that if we beleive in God.
Posted by bookgurl99 on June 27, 2002, at 16:09:18
In reply to The Narrow Gate » Bookgurl99, posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2002, at 14:58:08
Lou,
I am interested in discussing the nature of God in general, and I do find your experiences interesting. But, I am not interested in hearing a full re-telling of your experience. I understand that it is very meaningful to you to share this with others. And the Faith board was set up in part for us to share these experiences with each other.
I feel that you are making a missionary attempt in sharing these with me. As I said, the knowledge you have is interesting. But it becomes quite overwhelming, tiresome, and in the end, insignificant, to see a huge post on a new idea every day or several times a day.
In the future could you attempt to adhere to the general discussion and not always try to lead it back to your experiences on the Road?
Posted by beardedlady on June 27, 2002, at 16:43:01
In reply to censorship of lou... » Bookgurl99, posted by krazy kat on June 26, 2002, at 20:31:09
> heh, there. i hesitate to post this. but i "think" i can make my point quickly and civily.
> please do go forward with your discussions with lou. But also, perhaps, check some archives of folks you have come in touch with here re: lou.
> i would not post this at all if i had not developed some sense of you from your contributions here.
> again, not trying to disuade you, but there is a history you might not be aware of.kk:
We have this board because of those of you who objected to Lou's religious posts. (I'm not saying it was your suggestion; I'm saying this was Dr. Bob's solution to the complaints.) Now that we have it, and now that Lou's block has ended, he should be allowed to post. But he should also be allowed to do it in relative peace.
No matter how you slice it, there's no civil way to tell someone to watch out for another, right in front of that other. Think about it: how would you feel if someone started a conversation with you because she found you interesting, and I posted, in a place where you could see it, "Be careful talking to KK. She has made people angry and offended them."
That's something you might have done in a personal e-mail to Bookgurl.
You know, I feel like I'm always running to Lou's defense. I can't help it. I think his last block only came about because so many people were just ganging up on him.
It makes me sad when any person is treated like a leper. We have already relegated Lou's religious posts to this board. It's not fair to now turn others against him when he is following the rules.
beardy
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 27, 2002, at 21:54:00
In reply to oh dear why am I getting into this? » Lou Pilder, posted by SandraDee on June 27, 2002, at 15:07:56
SandraDee,
Thank you for your interest in my experiance. In my experiance, it was revealed to me that all we like sheep have gone astray. But there is a Good Shepherd that is seeking His sheep. These sheep will never feel the sting of death. The grave will not be the final place for those sheep. When I was in the City of Peace, the Rider said to me, "I am the Gate to the sheepfold. And I am the Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd gives his life for the sheep. As you walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, you will be comforted. There will be no sting in death and the grave will have no victory."
SandraDee, I can only tell you what I experianced. I have been given the revelation that there is no death or hell for those that receive the Crown of Life. And I was told in the City of Peace that ,"All things work for the good for The Called". That means that even our afflictions work toward our good, for ALL things work together for the good for those that are The Called. But who are The Called? The Good Shpherd said, "My sheep hear my voice". The Shepherd is calling those that are laboring and are seeking rest. The Shepherd is calling all those that are suffering. The Shepherd is calling all those that are conscious of their hopelessness. The Shepherd is calling those that are hungering and thirsting for rightiousness. The Shepherd is calling the meek. The shepherd is calling those that mourn. The Shepherd is calling those that are merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. The shepherd is calling those that are pure in heart. The Shepherd is calling the peacemakers. The Shepherd is calling those that are persecuted for rightiousness sake. The Shepard is calling all those that believe in love, for God is love. The Shepard is calling all of the lost sheep, and ALL of us, like sheep have gone astray
SandraDee, I guess that if a person is not ill, then they are not in need of a physician. If a person believes that they are not lost, then they do not need to be found. For those people, I do not know what is in store for them. But for me, I know what course I should take. For when I was in the City of Peace, I was told, "Seek first the Kingdom of God and His rightiousness, and all the things that the Children of God are given, will be given to you."
Lou
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