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Posted by Maxime on August 19, 2007, at 17:43:20
In reply to Eating vs. Eating Disorders, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on August 17, 2007, at 9:36:14
I agree with Dinah .. it was Bob who set the parameters for this discussion board.
I also think that this is a dangerous place for anyone who is dieting in a "healthy way". There are so many people with eating disoders who started on a diet and it turned into an ED.
You wrote:Dieting is hard work for some people. (myself). It's especially hard to do a diet the RIGHT way. And to keep myself motivated for some 12 weeks now is not a small thing in my book.
I know how to diet myself into a 3 month stay in the hospital. I don't think it's safe for you to read posts on here.
Congratulations of the weight loss and for doing it in a healthy way.
Take care.
Maxime
> I understand that this board has a lot of babblers who are currently in remission or struggling with an "active" eating disorder.
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> I also think that it's important to recognize and welcome those that are looking to change their eating habits to become a healthier person.
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> I don't have an eating disorder. Sure, I've gone through periods of poor nutrition. Times when I was worried that my eating habits were affecting my health.
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> Just because someone doesn't have an eating disorder doesn't mean that they don't deserve your support. Even being a few pounds overweight can cause great distress. Sometimes the poundage piles up because of psychological disorders OTHER than eating disorders, or because of a medication that increased appetite.
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> I don't think it's fair to dismiss anyone's question or post because they don't belong in some diagnostic category. That suggests that there is a heirarchy of suffering, a heirarchy of distress.
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> Plus, it sends the message that one's problems are not worthy of support, perhaps causing paradoxical motivation to "develop" an eating disorder to get the kind of attention from friends, professionals, and babblers that one craves for various reasons.
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> ***diet triggers below***
> I'm sorry if news of my diet is distressing to some. It's medically sanctioned and follows the advice of a dietician that I consulted several months ago. I hope it's not offensive to have a goal weight. I don't expect everyone to support me, nor do I expect that everyone views 15 lbs of overweight as a "problem". However I have been treated with respect. I would only hope that a relative stranger who comes on the board with a genuine concern should be treated with the respect that I have received.
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> Dieting is hard work for some people. (myself). It's especially hard to do a diet the RIGHT way. And to keep myself motivated for some 12 weeks now is not a small thing in my book.
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> Okay, I better stop now.
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> -Ll
Posted by Maxime on August 19, 2007, at 17:47:15
In reply to Dinah + Racer » Dinah, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on August 19, 2007, at 11:49:48
> Furthermore isn't "dieting" one of the mainstays of eating disorder treatment? (dieting broadly construed as acquiring and applying knowledge of healthy eating habits)
>The word dieting should never be used when talking or writing to someone with ED. A nutrionist wouldn't do it either. They would use "sticking to a meal plan". Say Diet to someone with ED and they will think " you think I am fat and I need to lose weight!" That person will then lose 20 pounds.
I've been there and that's the reality.
When a person is in recovery from an ED they are not on a diet.
Maxime
Posted by Snowie on August 19, 2007, at 18:12:56
In reply to Eating vs. Eating Disorders, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on August 17, 2007, at 9:36:14
I am the original poster of the Xenical/Alli thread. I posted on the Eating board because I thought that's where it belonged. I eat too much, therefore, I thought the post belonged on a board called "Eating." If I had seen "Eating Disorders" I probably would have thought twice about posting here.
Snowie
Posted by Snowie on August 19, 2007, at 18:23:07
In reply to Re: Eating vs. Eating Disorders, posted by Snowie on August 19, 2007, at 18:12:56
As a follow up, I also posted on the Health board but received no responses. Also, not much talk on that board about overeating and losing weight that I can see. I guess everyone is healthy over there.
Snowie
Posted by Racer on August 19, 2007, at 18:33:22
In reply to Re: Dinah + Racer » LlurpsieNoodle, posted by Maxime on August 19, 2007, at 17:47:15
Posted by Maxime on August 19, 2007, at 19:26:24
In reply to Re: Eating vs. Eating Disorders » Snowie, posted by Snowie on August 19, 2007, at 18:23:07
> As a follow up, I also posted on the Health board but received no responses. Also, not much talk on that board about overeating and losing weight that I can see. I guess everyone is healthy over there.
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> SnowieThose boards don't have as much traffic. You really don't have to be such a smart *ss.
Maxime
Posted by Maxime on August 19, 2007, at 19:52:31
In reply to Thank you for your articulate explanation (nm) » Maxime, posted by Racer on August 19, 2007, at 18:33:22
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on August 19, 2007, at 20:50:24
In reply to Re: Eating vs. Eating Disorders » LlurpsieNoodle, posted by Maxime on August 19, 2007, at 17:43:20
> Congratulations of the weight loss and for doing it in a healthy way.
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> Take care.
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> Maxime
>thank you Maxime, you take care too.
-Ll
Posted by Deputy Dinah on August 19, 2007, at 22:06:38
In reply to Re: Eating vs. Eating Disorders, posted by Maxime on August 19, 2007, at 19:26:24
> You really don't have to be such a smart *ss.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by muffled on August 19, 2007, at 23:38:12
In reply to Please be civil » Maxime, posted by Deputy Dinah on August 19, 2007, at 22:06:38
ED's from what little I know are very very hard in so many ways....
And this thread has been a challenging discussion.
Just wanted to say that I think you guys on this thread handled a very diffuclt and potentionally explosive situation VERY well, you really did. This is NOT sarcasm, I rarely do sarcasm in writings.
I just know how hard it is to try and 'talk' bout some stuff in writing, and how stuff can get misconstrued etc.
So I am very serious in saying how well this was handled.
I think there are other boards with ambiguous names/descriptors...so I added to a thread on admin.
I think we can work this out so there can be safe places for all, cuz thats what we all want, cuz us babblers are a caring lot. Mebbe cuz unfortunately we know what it is to hurt :-(
But I am glad I found babble, and while its challenging here at times....I'm still here. Cuz of the people, you all good people.
Take care you guys.
Muffled
Posted by Maxime on August 20, 2007, at 19:56:24
In reply to Please be civil » Maxime, posted by Deputy Dinah on August 19, 2007, at 22:06:38
You have got to be kidding. *rolls eyes*
> > You really don't have to be such a smart *ss.
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> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
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> Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
>
> Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by muffled on August 21, 2007, at 14:25:09
In reply to Re: Please be civil » Deputy Dinah, posted by Maxime on August 20, 2007, at 19:56:24
> You have got to be kidding. *rolls eyes*
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> > > You really don't have to be such a smart *ss.
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> > Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.**Maxime, sorry I don't know you, and now you proly gonna think I a total busybody, but WTF.
So anyhow, the rules of babble are sometimes strange and inconprehensible, but it is a unique place in many ways, and for the most part i like it here. And to be here, I have to follow the rules, whether I like or agree with them or not.
We DO have the opportunity to TRY and elicit change here on babble, by posting on admin...but change is slow, and often frustrating.
So, that being said, I would like, as a fellow babbler, to warn you that when you get a PBC, you are supposed to apologize or you will get blocked.
I see that there has not been followup yet, and that is most likely due to the fact that the deputies REALLY hate to do blocks etc, but they do so when they do, because they care about this website, and I appreciate that, and so try very hard not to put them in a position of having to do so.
Bob however seems to have no prob.
I think your post was construed as a put down, which is clearly stated in the FAQ as being a prob. It may have been flippant, but the written word is problematic.
Again, your reply to the pbc could ALSO be construed as a put down as your rolling your eyes could be felt as you saying 'duh, you idiot' (I have preteen kids.....;-) I get the eye roll alot!), and therefore a putdown.
I have NO idea as to your intent, hence the prob with the written word....
So you still have opportunity to apologize....
And in case you are wondering WHY I am being a busybody, its cuz I care about this site too, and I appreciate the deputies doing what I refuse to do in order to try and keep this place a little safer for the likes of me. It has been discussed on admin, that we fellow babbler help each other out to try and prevent blocks etc.
So I am trying to help you out is all.
And to be fully honest, to try and give the deps a break too.
Respectfully
Knowitall Muffled ;-)
ps- if you need additional info,or that you don't understand- post or feel free to civilly b-mail me
Posted by Maxime on August 21, 2007, at 17:45:01
In reply to Ummmmmmmm » Maxime, posted by muffled on August 21, 2007, at 14:25:09
I've been on this site for several years. If they want to block me that's fine. It won't be the first time.
Why didn't the person who was snarky to me get a warning? It doesn't make sense! I don't like things that are not logical. I will fight for what is right and if I get blocked, my life will sadly still continue.
No apologies coming from me.
Maxime
> > You have got to be kidding. *rolls eyes*
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> >
> > > > You really don't have to be such a smart *ss.
> > >
> > > Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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> **Maxime, sorry I don't know you, and now you proly gonna think I a total busybody, but WTF.
> So anyhow, the rules of babble are sometimes strange and inconprehensible, but it is a unique place in many ways, and for the most part i like it here. And to be here, I have to follow the rules, whether I like or agree with them or not.
> We DO have the opportunity to TRY and elicit change here on babble, by posting on admin...but change is slow, and often frustrating.
> So, that being said, I would like, as a fellow babbler, to warn you that when you get a PBC, you are supposed to apologize or you will get blocked.
> I see that there has not been followup yet, and that is most likely due to the fact that the deputies REALLY hate to do blocks etc, but they do so when they do, because they care about this website, and I appreciate that, and so try very hard not to put them in a position of having to do so.
> Bob however seems to have no prob.
> I think your post was construed as a put down, which is clearly stated in the FAQ as being a prob. It may have been flippant, but the written word is problematic.
> Again, your reply to the pbc could ALSO be construed as a put down as your rolling your eyes could be felt as you saying 'duh, you idiot' (I have preteen kids.....;-) I get the eye roll alot!), and therefore a putdown.
> I have NO idea as to your intent, hence the prob with the written word....
> So you still have opportunity to apologize....
> And in case you are wondering WHY I am being a busybody, its cuz I care about this site too, and I appreciate the deputies doing what I refuse to do in order to try and keep this place a little safer for the likes of me. It has been discussed on admin, that we fellow babbler help each other out to try and prevent blocks etc.
> So I am trying to help you out is all.
> And to be fully honest, to try and give the deps a break too.
> Respectfully
> Knowitall Muffled ;-)
> ps- if you need additional info,or that you don't understand- post or feel free to civilly b-mail me
Posted by muffled on August 21, 2007, at 20:10:19
In reply to Re: Ummmmmmmm » muffled, posted by Maxime on August 21, 2007, at 17:45:01
Posted by sunnydays on August 21, 2007, at 23:16:46
In reply to Re: Eating vs. Eating Disorders, posted by Maxime on August 19, 2007, at 19:26:24
What happened to the mission of the site being for support? I feel incredibly upset reading this response. Why do assumptions need to be made about a poster's intent? From every appearance I can see, Snowie was just saying that there is an issue with posting on Health: there are often not as many responses. To a new poster, it might seem like no one identifies when more experienced posters know it's a lack of board traffic. The goal here is not to chase people away from Babble, I don't think. I am in absolute shock after reading this post.
sunnydays
Posted by Deputy Dinah on August 21, 2007, at 23:27:12
In reply to Re: Ummmmmmmm » muffled, posted by Maxime on August 21, 2007, at 17:45:01
> Why didn't the person who was snarky to me get a warning?
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
You've been warned recently, so I'm going to have to block you from posting for a week.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Deputy Dinah on August 21, 2007, at 23:30:21
In reply to Re: Eating vs. Eating Disorders » Maxime, posted by sunnydays on August 21, 2007, at 23:16:46
> The goal here is not to chase people away from Babble, I don't think.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by RealMe on August 22, 2007, at 0:20:40
In reply to Blocked for a week » Maxime, posted by Deputy Dinah on August 21, 2007, at 23:27:12
I didn't see this post when I responded to a post below. I hate to see anyone hurting. I was feeling that way myself not all that long ago. Sorry that things happen like this when someone is obviously in pain. At the same time, I don't claim to know the answer.
RealMe (OzLand)
Posted by Dinah on August 22, 2007, at 5:24:59
In reply to Re: Blocked for a week » Deputy Dinah, posted by RealMe on August 22, 2007, at 0:20:40
I appreciate your being supportive of Maxime.
Posted by Deputy Dinah on August 22, 2007, at 5:30:36
In reply to Ummmmmmmm » Maxime, posted by muffled on August 21, 2007, at 14:25:09
> Again, your reply to the pbc could ALSO be construed as a put down as your rolling your eyes could be felt as you saying 'duh, you idiot' (I have preteen kids.....;-) I get the eye roll alot!), and therefore a putdown.
I appreciate your trying to help, but while you were gone (I think) Dr. Bob made official the request that posters use the Notify Administrators function about posts, rather than potentially leading others to feel accused or put down by mentioning it on board.
I'm pretty sure he updated the FAQ about it.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by sunnydays on August 22, 2007, at 7:07:24
In reply to Please be civil » sunnydays, posted by Deputy Dinah on August 21, 2007, at 23:30:21
Sorry about that. I didn't realize that could be interpreted that way. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
sunnydays
Posted by muffled on August 22, 2007, at 10:21:21
In reply to Re: Please be civil » Deputy Dinah, posted by sunnydays on August 22, 2007, at 7:07:24
Posted by Dinah on August 22, 2007, at 11:04:21
In reply to Re: Please be civil » Deputy Dinah, posted by sunnydays on August 22, 2007, at 7:07:24
Posted by Dinah on August 22, 2007, at 11:05:33
In reply to ok bit. I will never ever return to this board bye (nm), posted by muffled on August 22, 2007, at 10:21:21
If this board is helpful to you, I hope you do return. I always appreciate you whatever board you post on, and I do appreciate the help you give.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 14, 2007, at 16:29:49
In reply to Y'know guys...., posted by muffled on August 19, 2007, at 23:38:12
> I added to a thread on admin.
I did, too. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070817/msgs/789208.html
Thanks,
Bob
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