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Posted by holymama on October 20, 2005, at 20:36:11
Does anyone know of anything I could read to understand Schizophrenia a little better?
I'm fascinated that delusions can come on so quickly and the person has complete trust that they are real.
Can you talk someone out of their delusions?
Thanks!
~~Autumn~~
Posted by sleepygirl on October 20, 2005, at 22:06:47
In reply to Books about Schizophrenia, posted by holymama on October 20, 2005, at 20:36:11
Well I haven't read it, and it's pretty long, but this book is written by the brother of a man with schizophrenia, about his experience with his brother's illness. The author is the identical twin of his brother, but does not suffer from schizophrenia. It's "I Know this Much is True"
mmmm...I don't think you really can talk someone out of their delusions. I think you can reassure them when they are scared, validate their feelings- but maybe not the facts. I think it depends on what the delusion is. When someone is wrapped up in a belief you don't want to discount the person along with the belief. It depends I guess on the situation.
Posted by sleepygirl on October 20, 2005, at 23:22:33
In reply to Books about Schizophrenia, posted by holymama on October 20, 2005, at 20:36:11
It seems the book I referred to is in fact ficitonal - I had heard it mentioned, somewhere, sometime seemed compelling- alas, it is not factual
There's a lot of books out there on schizophrenia though, I know one though that I actually read part of "Surviving Schizophrenia" I think the author of this one is actually the father of a man with schizophrenia
Posted by sleepygirl on October 20, 2005, at 23:34:41
In reply to disregard above recommended book, posted by sleepygirl on October 20, 2005, at 23:22:33
Posted by holymama on October 21, 2005, at 6:17:38
In reply to his sister is schizophrenic, controversial Dr?? (nm), posted by sleepygirl on October 20, 2005, at 23:34:41
Thanks so much sleepygirl,
I will check both out to see what they can offer. Thanks too about your insights into talking someone out of their delusions. Delusions seem to be so real to the person that I thought it is probably impssible to 'talk them out of the delusion.' I'm wondering how mental health practitioners work with Schizophenics, and if their families play a big role in being the ones to tell them when they are crossing the line. Maybe I'll find some answers in the books you suggested.
Thanks so much!
~Autumn~
Posted by alexandra_k on October 22, 2005, at 1:41:14
In reply to Re: his sister is schizophrenic, controversial Dr?? » sleepygirl, posted by holymama on October 21, 2005, at 6:17:38
"The Cognitive Neuropsychology of Schizophrenia" is good though fairly technical.
"Cognitive Therapy for Delusions" is an interesting account of the recent efforts to treat people with delusions with Cognitive Therapy.
It used to be thought that delusions were immune to evidence to the contrary (by definition) and thus it was pointless to attempt to argue someone out of their delusion...
They reckon they are having some degree of success with cognitive therapy, however. Might be worth a look (perhaps perhaps).
Posted by holymama on October 22, 2005, at 12:42:17
In reply to Re: his sister is schizophrenic, controversial Dr?? » holymama, posted by alexandra_k on October 22, 2005, at 1:41:14
Yes, that's what I'm looking for, I think. I'll look those up, especially the last one.
Thanks so much for the ideas!
Nice to see you, Alexandra, somewhere besides on the administration board. !!
~Autumn~
Posted by alexandra_k on October 22, 2005, at 22:20:50
In reply to Thank you, thank you » alexandra_k, posted by holymama on October 22, 2005, at 12:42:17
> Yes, that's what I'm looking for, I think. I'll look those up, especially the last one.
:-)
I noticed when I checked my link to Amazon that there are other books on cognitive therapy and cognitive behavioural therapy for delusions too. I haven't read anything else, but there may be something even better. I've got a copy of the last linked book and it does talk about delusions but it also spends a lot of time on hallucinations as well. But... It is an interesting read I suppose.
> Nice to see you, Alexandra, somewhere besides on the administration board. !!:-)
Yup.
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