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Posted by EscherDementian on February 12, 2004, at 4:47:35
Best be sitting down to read this one.
By the same author as "The Road Less Traveled" trilogy.Such clear clarity and courageousness of truth i have not encountered quite like this before. i began weeping in the bookstore and leaning against the shelving to hold my balance and hide my face. Gratefully, my husband took the book to wait in line and pay for it while i ran out to our car, and once safely inside i could only look up into the sky and 'say' with all of my being "oh my god i get it now."
Escher
Posted by gardenergirl on February 12, 2004, at 9:19:25
In reply to Narcissism... ...and Human Evil, posted by EscherDementian on February 12, 2004, at 4:47:35
Sounds like I should read that when I am ready. Thanks for posting it. And I'm glad you found something that helped (?).
gg
Posted by Penny on February 12, 2004, at 10:36:58
In reply to Narcissism... ...and Human Evil, posted by EscherDementian on February 12, 2004, at 4:47:35
They have two copies at my library (I'm too cheap, or poor should I say, to purchase!). Perhaps I should check it out. Though I may want to wait until I'm feeling a bit more up, as the subject matter sounds intense...
thanks, Escher.
P
Posted by EscherDementian on February 17, 2004, at 8:53:10
In reply to Re: Narcissism... ...and Human Evil, posted by gardenergirl on February 12, 2004, at 9:19:25
P and gg,
Thank you for being there, just your breif comments at all...
i've been trying for days to answer- to post about this... you two feel to me such warm and deep souls, and i think we may have similar lives to share... but
i just can't seem to yet... i just can't yet. i end up like now with tears streaming down my face and my chin and shoulders shaking and trying to answer but then when i do it all comes out confused and doesn't sound like what i'm trying to say and i end up clicking the 'reset' button again for the millionth time -
it's still processing. i'm still processing it.
i'm sorry.
but i want to share about this with the two of you later if you want to too?my mother was the narcissist - alcoholic, mentally and physically abusive and incomprehensibly vengefull. i was her "target". and so sensitive...i was gifted too- like both of you.(i overheard my IQ was 157 before i was going into jr.high,7th gr. and, terribly, had "extra senses")... in the same sentence my bruises were mentioned.)- ...i have to go now. Thank you for ---till later?
Escher
Posted by gardenergirl on February 17, 2004, at 9:47:47
In reply to Re: Narcissism... and~, posted by EscherDementian on February 17, 2004, at 8:53:10
Take as much time as you need. It sounds like a really intense experience for you. I've been reading Elaine Aron's book "The Highly Sensitive Person" for sometime now. I have to process it in small bits as well--figure out what it means to me. Stuff like this, when it really resonates, stimulates so much thought and feeling.
Take extra special care of yourself at this time.
gg
Posted by EscherDementian on February 26, 2004, at 19:15:40
In reply to (((((Escher))))), posted by gardenergirl on February 17, 2004, at 9:47:47
Thank you, gg :)
i took a mental health (literally) break and finished the book while working with my pdoc through the
PTSD "terror episodes" i've been experiencing. ->*whew* the things that have been released to be healed. Know much about "body memories" ?Yes, "People of the Lie" turned out to be a good book and helped immensely. i was a little taken aback at the term "Human Evil" at first, because all my life i have directed my perceptions of my mother and my childhood in terms illness, human compassion, and spiritual transcendence. But the author's term is explained succinctly, and, truthfully was the missing link for me that triggered immense relief. And finally a handle to grip this difficult work i'm healing, that integrates my childhood emotional responses and the interpretations i've been using as an adult to try to find understanding, a personal peace and loving kindness toward my mother. ...i do recommend "People of the Lie". i always like the actual info better than the case histories, as same this book too, but the info was pivotal for me.
When i read Elaine Aron's book "The Highly Sensitive Person" it was like you described for me, too. Isn't it affirming? Glad you brought it up, because i think i will read it again. Thank you for that too.
'Till next~
Escher
Posted by gardenergirl on March 1, 2004, at 1:13:26
In reply to Re: (((((Escher))))), posted by EscherDementian on February 26, 2004, at 19:15:40
It sounds like you were doing really good work with your pdoc. And while reading a difficult book...I'm glad it was so significant for you. I'm still working on Alice Miller. I don't really have much time to read beyond school work right now. Although I am a bit anxious for a client to return my Aron book, as I feel like I need a booster. It IS amazing the way that book can make you feel good if it is the right fit.
I don't really know that much about body memories, but I am intrigued. I read "Men at Work" by George Will from This Week on ABC. It's all about baseball. There was a section about Tony Gwynn, known for being an excellent hitter in baseball. He talked all about "muscle memory" as the key to his success. His muscles remember how to swing in order to make the best contact. He achieved this through repetition. Makes sense in that we remember stuff we repeat over and over. Kind of an over-learning for the body instead of the mind. I saw on another post your reference to shaken baby syndrome. It does make sense to me that a body or person would have some type of memory of that trauma, even if it is preverbal.
I know I have non-verbal experiences in therapy, where my T will say something (an interpretation of some kind, usually) and I just come to a dead stop. I sit there so still, and I am aware that I am not thinking. The only feeling I have is just stillness. This seems non-verbal or pre-verbal to me. I'm not sure what is happening other than perhaps some kind of epiphany or some kind of processing of what he said. I usually don't even remember what he said to start it. I'm just going on and on and then wham! Sudden stop. It kind of feels relieving in a way. See, no good words to describe.
So, anyway, I certainly can see where this could be true, especially based on what you described in the other post.
Take care and thanks for sharing your insights.
gg
Posted by EscherDementian on March 5, 2004, at 5:54:24
In reply to Re: (((((Escher))))) » EscherDementian, posted by gardenergirl on March 1, 2004, at 1:13:26
gg
thank you.
sometimes i wonder the new 'ground' i break?Your continued posts mean so much to me...
Will write more to you dear soul, when i can.
Going to go into my art studio right now.
4am
Don't give up on me.With everything,
Esch
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