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Re: Burroughs suprise » slinky

Posted by Ritch on May 25, 2003, at 18:31:48

In reply to Re: Burroughs suprise » Ritch, posted by slinky on May 25, 2003, at 16:57:35

> >
> > Which Burroughs book was it? I've never read any of his stuff, but I hear it is plenty WEIRD.
>
> It was "cities of the red night"
> Weird stuff..think he wrote all his stuff on opium..
> Maybe one day I'll read them . Maybe should be read on opium to enjoy :-)


"...young men wage war against an evil empire of zealous mutants.." (?) That sounds very interesting to me. Geez, there are just too many books to read all of a sudden! I've got two I haven't finished yet-that have been laying around for nearly a month. I noticed when I checked on the Burrough's novel, that a lot of folks bought Ken Kesey's stuff as well (that liked Burrough's stuff). I just read "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" which was excellent. I saw the movie "Sometimes a Great Notion", but I would love to read that book. Kesey is one of the best writers I have ever read.


 

Re: Burroughs suprise

Posted by noa on May 25, 2003, at 20:15:19

In reply to Re: Burroughs suprise » slinky, posted by Ritch on May 25, 2003, at 18:31:48

>>> Kesey is one of the best writers I have ever read.

Yep. Too bad he burnt out so young.

Did you ever read Tom Wolfe's book about Kesey and his LSD gang-- "The Electric Cool-Aid Acid Test"?

I had read it decades ago, but last year, I took out the audiotape version from the library and listened to it on some road trips. Only my road trip was sober, in a four door sedan, not a psychedelic prankster bus!!

I remember thinking, as I listened to the tale unfold, that Kesey must have been bipolar.

 

Re: Burroughs suprise

Posted by Snoozy on May 25, 2003, at 23:02:06

In reply to Re: Burroughs suprise » Ritch, posted by slinky on May 25, 2003, at 16:57:35

I think he did *everything* on opium ;)
I have a couple of his books, I don't think I've read that one though.


> It was "cities of the red night"
> Weird stuff..think he wrote all his stuff on opium..
> Maybe one day I'll read them . Maybe should be read on opium to enjoy :-)

 

Re: Kesey suprise, Wolfe too » noa

Posted by Ritch on May 26, 2003, at 16:40:24

In reply to Re: Burroughs suprise, posted by noa on May 25, 2003, at 20:15:19

> >>> Kesey is one of the best writers I have ever read.
>
> Yep. Too bad he burnt out so young.
>
> Did you ever read Tom Wolfe's book about Kesey and his LSD gang-- "The Electric Cool-Aid Acid Test"?
>
> I had read it decades ago, but last year, I took out the audiotape version from the library and listened to it on some road trips. Only my road trip was sober, in a four door sedan, not a psychedelic prankster bus!!
>
> I remember thinking, as I listened to the tale unfold, that Kesey must have been bipolar.
>


Oh yes! The first Tom Wolfe book I read was "The Right Stuff" (which I liked a bunch), and then wanted to read some more of his work. That's when I read "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test". Wow, that is a pure adjective treasure! Later, I read "Bonfire of the Vanities", which was great too. I read a magazine interview with Wolfe a long time ago, and he had a radiator (for heating) in his office that looked like a sheep. That cracked me up.

 

Re: Kesey suprise, Wolfe too

Posted by noa on May 26, 2003, at 18:58:59

In reply to Re: Kesey suprise, Wolfe too » noa, posted by Ritch on May 26, 2003, at 16:40:24

Didn't you get the sense, in "Bonfire of the Vanities" that the "poet" (hired by the anorexic party hostesses to entertain the guests) was Wolfe himself? Both loving all the attention and the ability to hobnob with the financial and power elite, eating up all the ostentation, while coyly hiding behind the narrator's cynical mocking of the whole lifestyle?

That was quite a book--a challenge to read because there was not one single character that I could like!

I've also read other things by Wolfe. He has written a lot.

I don't even remember some of things I've read by him it has been so long. (That is why I was able to enjoy "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" again even though I'd read it before!).

The ones I do remember are a book satirizing the New York City society liberals ("Radical Chic & Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers"), and a critique of modern architecture ("From Bauhaus to Our House"). Hmm, maybe I'll pick up another Wolfe book of essays next time at the library.

 

Re: Bonfire » noa

Posted by Ritch on May 27, 2003, at 10:40:07

In reply to Re: Kesey suprise, Wolfe too, posted by noa on May 26, 2003, at 18:58:59

> Didn't you get the sense, in "Bonfire of the Vanities" that the "poet" (hired by the anorexic party hostesses to entertain the guests) was Wolfe himself? Both loving all the attention and the ability to hobnob with the financial and power elite, eating up all the ostentation, while coyly hiding behind the narrator's cynical mocking of the whole lifestyle?
>
> That was quite a book--a challenge to read because there was not one single character that I could like!
>
> I've also read other things by Wolfe. He has written a lot.
>
> I don't even remember some of things I've read by him it has been so long. (That is why I was able to enjoy "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" again even though I'd read it before!).
>
> The ones I do remember are a book satirizing the New York City society liberals ("Radical Chic & Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers"), and a critique of modern architecture ("From Bauhaus to Our House"). Hmm, maybe I'll pick up another Wolfe book of essays next time at the library.
>
>

I DO remember very distinctly the "social X-rays"! Honestly, I had forgotten about the "poet", but it wouldn't surprise me if what you say is true (Wolfe being the persona of the poet at these parties). He probably has attended quite a few of these parties and probably has felt show-cased as a circus freak for the entertainment of rich people who don't understand anything about the *ideas* in his writing. I remember a long time ago William Buckley interviewing him and thought he was a "liberal" and was comparing him to Emile Zola or something and it was hilarious because it was so way off! Oh-the interesting thing about "Bonfire of the Vanities" were the styrofoam "peanuts" that were sticking to the legs of the guy that got busted... INSULATION... I thought that was the main idea of the book--this guy came from relatively common roots--made a ton of money---lost it all---turned into a common criminal--- and he was being extracted from a box filled full of insulation.

 

Re: Burroughs suprise

Posted by wendy b. on May 29, 2003, at 8:39:19

In reply to Re: Burroughs suprise, posted by Snoozy on May 25, 2003, at 23:02:06

> I think he did *everything* on opium ;)
> I have a couple of his books, I don't think I've read that one though.


Sorry to butt in here, but I had some time this morning and I was scanning the boards --

Burroughs was addicted to heroin, which he writes about in most of his work. The following is from his obituary in a 1997 literary mag (I don't know who wrote it):
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W. S. Burroughs Dead at 83

William S. Burroughs, the scandal-baiting, fiercely-inventive writer widely considered an elder patriarch of beat literature, died August 2 after suffering a heart attack in Lawrence, Kansas. He was 83.

Burroughs was the last survivor among a literary triad that's generally considered to be at the heart of the beat movement: Burroughs, Allen Ginsberg, and Jack Kerouac. (Kerouac died in 1969; Ginsberg passed away earlier this year).

Harvard-educated, Burroughs claimed the two major catalysts for his writing were his long-standing addiction to heroin and the death in 1951 of his wife, killed by an inebriated Burroughs while shooting at a glass perched atop her head.

Published in 1962, the drug-soaked and oft-censored "Naked Lunch" cemented Burroughs' reputation. His other works included "Junkie", "The Place of Dead Roads", "Queer" and the recently-issued "My Education: A Book of Dreams".

Burroughs became a pop cultural icon, inspiring the names of musical groups (Soft Machine, Steely Dan), collaborating with pop musicians and appearing in music videos and films ("Drugstore Cowboy").

"I have always seen my own work in the light of the picaresque -- a series of adventures and misadventures, horrific and comic, encountered by an antihero," Burroughs once wrote. "Much of my work is intended to be funny."
_____________________

I found this summary interesting enough to clip and post on the fridge. Since I'm moving house, I'll now insert it into his biography, by Barry Miles (who knew Burroughs for 30 years) "William Burroughs: El Hombre Invisible" as its book-mark.
Burroughs adored his cats, too. Was a member of the National Rifle Association, and the American Academy of Arts and Letters. What an enigma...

Best to you readers,
Wendy

 

Re: Aack! wrong links to Queer and Junkie

Posted by wendy b. on May 29, 2003, at 8:47:29

In reply to Re: Burroughs suprise, posted by wendy b. on May 29, 2003, at 8:39:19

So it's the following for Queer:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140083898/drbobsvirte00-20


and Amazon thinks I spelled Junkie wrong, it's "Junky" on Amazon, but it was first published in 1953 as "Junkie."

Sorry for the mixup... I love the double-quotes function, though my liberal lala friends (you know who you are!) would rather I didn't link to Amazon. Ahhh, well, can't please everyone...


W.

 

Re: Burroughs suprise-NRA?

Posted by Ritch on May 29, 2003, at 13:44:33

In reply to Re: Burroughs suprise, posted by wendy b. on May 29, 2003, at 8:39:19


> I found this summary interesting enough to clip and post on the fridge. Since I'm moving house, I'll now insert it into his biography, by Barry Miles (who knew Burroughs for 30 years) "William Burroughs: El Hombre Invisible" as its book-mark.
> Burroughs adored his cats, too. Was a member of the National Rifle Association, and the American Academy of Arts and Letters. What an enigma...
>
> Best to you readers,
> Wendy

Hi Wendy, I'm definitely going to read one of his books now. I think "Cities of the Red Night", the one Dreamerz first brought up (about the mutants). Anyhow, I also find it enigmatic that Burroughs was an NRA member. Here's a quote from "Hell's Angels":

---One night in Oakland, Magoo and I got into a long conversation about guns. I expected the usual crap about "dum-dums" and "shoot-outs" and "cooling guys with a rod," but Magoo talked more like a candidate for the Olympic pistol team. When I casually mentioned man-size targets, he snapped, "Don't tell me about shooting at *people*. I'm talking about match sticks." And he was. He shoots a Ruger .22 revolver, an expensive, long-barreled precision-made gun that no hood would even consider. And on days when he isn't working, he goes out to the dump and tries to shoot the heads off match sticks. "it's hard as hell," he said. "But now and then I'll do it just right, and light one."---

 

Re: Burroughs suprise--what?

Posted by noa on May 29, 2003, at 18:03:38

In reply to Re: Burroughs suprise, posted by wendy b. on May 29, 2003, at 8:39:19

>the death in 1951 of his wife, killed by an inebriated Burroughs while shooting at a glass perched atop her head.


And he was never held legally responsible for this?

You think the NRA liked having him as a member? Not exactly their best poster child!!

Would make a great poster child for gun control!!

 

Re: Burroughs suprise--what? » noa

Posted by Ritch on May 30, 2003, at 0:04:07

In reply to Re: Burroughs suprise--what?, posted by noa on May 29, 2003, at 18:03:38

> >the death in 1951 of his wife, killed by an inebriated Burroughs while shooting at a glass perched atop her head.
>
>
> And he was never held legally responsible for this?
>
> You think the NRA liked having him as a member? Not exactly their best poster child!!
>
> Would make a great poster child for gun control!!


I was going to post something about his wife's shooting because they show that in "Naked Lunch" (the movie that I saw). Didn't realize this was autobiographical when I saw it. I don't think ANY big organization is going to use a heroin addict for their "poster-child". I am curious about the investigation and outcome of his wife's shooting.

 

Re: Burroughs suprise--what?

Posted by Snoozy on May 30, 2003, at 12:52:03

In reply to Re: Burroughs suprise--what? » noa, posted by Ritch on May 30, 2003, at 0:04:07

This was quite some time ago that I saw a biography about him, but I recall that he was "on the lam" in Mexico, possibly Tangiers, after the "William Tell" incident. I'll try to find out if I'm remembering correctly.

> > >the death in 1951 of his wife, killed by an inebriated Burroughs while shooting at a glass perched atop her head.
> >
> >
> > And he was never held legally responsible for this?
> >
> > You think the NRA liked having him as a member? Not exactly their best poster child!!
> >
> > Would make a great poster child for gun control!!
>
>
> I was going to post something about his wife's shooting because they show that in "Naked Lunch" (the movie that I saw). Didn't realize this was autobiographical when I saw it. I don't think ANY big organization is going to use a heroin addict for their "poster-child". I am curious about the investigation and outcome of his wife's shooting.
>

 

Re: Burroughs suprise--what?

Posted by noa on May 30, 2003, at 19:44:56

In reply to Re: Burroughs suprise--what?, posted by Snoozy on May 30, 2003, at 12:52:03

Kesey was on the lam in Mexico, too. But that was for drug charges.

 

Re: Burroughs antics » noa

Posted by wendy b. on June 2, 2003, at 22:53:37

In reply to Re: Burroughs suprise--what?, posted by noa on May 29, 2003, at 18:03:38

> >the death in 1951 of his wife, killed by an inebriated Burroughs while shooting at a glass perched atop her head.
>
>
> And he was never held legally responsible for this?

Well, how it all actually worked out is sketchy, but the biography says it happened in Mexico City. His wife, Joan, was at least as drunk as he was; they were visiting a friend who was to introduce them to another guy who was interested in buying a gun of Burroughs's (!) So after spending most of the day drinking, and the third party never showing up, Burroughs pulls this gun out of his bag and says to Joan that it was about time they did their William Tell act. They had never performed such a stunt, but his wife laughed, and then proceeded to balance a 6-ounce water glass on her head. Burroughs fired, the bullet went through her forehead and lodged in her brain. The glass fell to the floor, undamaged. Joan was pronounced dead on arrival at Red Cross Hospital.
His attorney got him out of jail in 13 days, a bit of a record, it seems. He was charged and found guilty of 'imprudencia criminal,' in Spanish, which probably means something like involuntary manslaughter, unpremeditated, and accidental. He was released on bail until sentencing, a year later, until which time he had to report each Monday to the local prison (probation).
Burroughs writes, 30 years later: "I am forced to the appalling conclusion that I never would have become a writer but for Joan's death, and to a realization of the extent to which this event has motivated and formulated my writing. I lived with the constant threat of possession, and a constant need to escape from possession, from Control. So the death of Joan brought me in contact with the invader, the Ugly Spirit that maneuvered me into a lifelong struggle, in which I have had no choice except to write my way out."

> You think the NRA liked having him as a member? Not exactly their best poster child!!

I think, as Mitch says, they weren't thrilled to have him amongst their ranks, if they even knew who he was!


> Would make a great poster child for gun control!!

Ya think? ;-]

(Even though I have great respect for Burroughs's work, there's something so odd about a guy killing his wife, accidentally or not, and making it the genesis-point of the trajectory of his creative career. I guess he was probably bipolar [mood swings and self-medicating], and that often implies a keen artistic sensibility... )

And with that heart-warming story,
I'll say,
G'night,
pleasant dreams,

Wendy

 

Re: Burroughs and Tangier » Snoozy

Posted by wendy b. on June 2, 2003, at 23:12:02

In reply to Re: Burroughs suprise--what?, posted by Snoozy on May 30, 2003, at 12:52:03

Burroughs's wife Joan was shot in 1951; he didn't go to Tangier until 1954, and that was to escape from the memories of a less-than-satisfactory relationship with Allen Ginsberg, to write, and to hang out where Paul Bowles had written his novels. He started out going to Rome, and evidently it was on a whim that he went to Tangier. So the biography makes no link between the death of his wife and his move to Tangier, although it does mention several times how devastated and lonely he was there, without her.
(Perhaps one of the movie-versions of this story implies some connection between the two events, or suggests that he was 'on the lam,' but that seems unlikely..)

Wendy


> This was quite some time ago that I saw a biography about him, but I recall that he was "on the lam" in Mexico, possibly Tangiers, after the "William Tell" incident. I'll try to find out if I'm remembering correctly.
>
> > > >the death in 1951 of his wife, killed by an inebriated Burroughs while shooting at a glass perched atop her head.

 

Re: becoming a writer--a very different story

Posted by noa on June 3, 2003, at 20:55:46

In reply to Re: Burroughs and Tangier » Snoozy, posted by wendy b. on June 2, 2003, at 23:12:02

Paul Auster has a great little anecdote in "Why Write?" (part of "The Red Notebook") about his chance encounter with Willie Mays when he was 8 y.o., asking for an autograph, not having a pencil (no one present had a pencil), and having the Say Hey Kid say, "Sorry, Kid. Ain't got no pencil? Can't get no autograph". All of which led to Auster, so he claims, habitually carrying a pencil with him at all times, from that day forward. Which, he says, is how HE became a writer.

 

Re: Burroughs and Tangier » wendy b.

Posted by Snoozy on June 3, 2003, at 21:10:36

In reply to Re: Burroughs and Tangier » Snoozy, posted by wendy b. on June 2, 2003, at 23:12:02

Thanks for setting me straight Wendy! With my memory, it's a good thing I'm not the star witness in a big trial. lol

Now, can you tell me if I'm remembering this correctly: Burroughs family was relatively well-to-do, but not from the Burroughs drug co (!) but some type of business machine? There's a phrase: "business machine"! I think I meant equipment. And did money have any role in the punishment/lack thereof he got in Mexico? It certainly wouldn't be unheard of.

Thanks!

> Burroughs's wife Joan was shot in 1951; he didn't go to Tangier until 1954, and that was to escape from the memories of a less-than-satisfactory relationship with Allen Ginsberg, to write, and to hang out where Paul Bowles had written his novels. He started out going to Rome, and evidently it was on a whim that he went to Tangier. So the biography makes no link between the death of his wife and his move to Tangier, although it does mention several times how devastated and lonely he was there, without her.
> (Perhaps one of the movie-versions of this story implies some connection between the two events, or suggests that he was 'on the lam,' but that seems unlikely..)
>
> Wendy
>
>
> > This was quite some time ago that I saw a biography about him, but I recall that he was "on the lam" in Mexico, possibly Tangiers, after the "William Tell" incident. I'll try to find out if I'm remembering correctly.
> >
> > > > >the death in 1951 of his wife, killed by an inebriated Burroughs while shooting at a glass perched atop her head.
>

 

Re: Burroughs and Tangier » Snoozy

Posted by wendy b. on June 4, 2003, at 22:41:50

In reply to Re: Burroughs and Tangier » wendy b., posted by Snoozy on June 3, 2003, at 21:10:36

> Thanks for setting me straight Wendy! With my memory, it's a good thing I'm not the star witness in a big trial. lol
>
> Now, can you tell me if I'm remembering this correctly: Burroughs family was relatively well-to-do, but not from the Burroughs drug co (!) but some type of business machine? There's a phrase: "business machine"! I think I meant equipment. And did money have any role in the punishment/lack thereof he got in Mexico? It certainly wouldn't be unheard of.
>
> Thanks!


Hey, Snoozy,

So here's my next piece of Burroughs trivia...
Yeah, Burroughs' grandfather, William Seward Burroughs (whom he was named after), was the inventor of the adding machine. The company was the Burroughs Adding Machine Corporation. From the biography: "Although some forms of adding machine already existed, none was very reliable, often giving different results depending on how quickly the handle was pulled. Bill's grandfather invented the gimmick which made it practical: a perforated cylinder filled with oil which acted as a hydraulic regulator on the handle so that no matter how sharply or slowly the handle was pulled, the pressure exerted on the mechanism was always the same."
Evidently, the family was advised not to hang on to too much stock that the grandfather had willed his children (Bill's father), and they ultimately had to sell in 1929 (when the stock market crashed). Burroughs inherited a small sum ($10,000) when his mother died in 1970 (long after the death of Joan), so "that doesn't make me a scion of anything," he fulminated later on. And it probably didn't help him as a prisoner of the Mexican government, unless his family name meant something to the authorities down there, but I doubt that it did.

'Night,
Wendy

 

Re: Burroughs and post WW-II America » wendy b.

Posted by Ritch on June 5, 2003, at 0:33:58

In reply to Re: Burroughs and Tangier » Snoozy, posted by wendy b. on June 4, 2003, at 22:41:50

> > Thanks for setting me straight Wendy! With my memory, it's a good thing I'm not the star witness in a big trial. lol
> >
> > Now, can you tell me if I'm remembering this correctly: Burroughs family was relatively well-to-do, but not from the Burroughs drug co (!) but some type of business machine? There's a phrase: "business machine"! I think I meant equipment. And did money have any role in the punishment/lack thereof he got in Mexico? It certainly wouldn't be unheard of.
> >
> > Thanks!
>
>
> Hey, Snoozy,
>
> So here's my next piece of Burroughs trivia...
> Yeah, Burroughs' grandfather, William Seward Burroughs (whom he was named after), was the inventor of the adding machine. The company was the Burroughs Adding Machine Corporation. From the biography: "Although some forms of adding machine already existed, none was very reliable, often giving different results depending on how quickly the handle was pulled. Bill's grandfather invented the gimmick which made it practical: a perforated cylinder filled with oil which acted as a hydraulic regulator on the handle so that no matter how sharply or slowly the handle was pulled, the pressure exerted on the mechanism was always the same."
> Evidently, the family was advised not to hang on to too much stock that the grandfather had willed his children (Bill's father), and they ultimately had to sell in 1929 (when the stock market crashed). Burroughs inherited a small sum ($10,000) when his mother died in 1970 (long after the death of Joan), so "that doesn't make me a scion of anything," he fulminated later on. And it probably didn't help him as a prisoner of the Mexican government, unless his family name meant something to the authorities down there, but I doubt that it did.
>
> 'Night,
> Wendy
>
>


Wendy, thanks for that tidbit of info! I wonder if he was drafted in WWII? He would have been the "age" for being drafted. ?

 

Re: Burroughs and post WW-II America » Ritch

Posted by wendy b. on June 5, 2003, at 7:31:18

In reply to Re: Burroughs and post WW-II America » wendy b., posted by Ritch on June 5, 2003, at 0:33:58


> Wendy, thanks for that tidbit of info! I wonder if he was drafted in WWII? He would have been the "age" for being drafted. ?
>

Well, it says in the Barry Miles book that he tried to enlist in the Navy in 1940, but he flunked the physical. He also tried the American Field Service (I don't know what that is, really), but the elitist recruiter disapproved of his lodgings at Harvard (he'd been there for undergrad and then grad work since 1932), so he did not get in there, either. Then, he tried to join the OSS -- forerunner of the CIA -- as a field agent, using a well-connected uncle as his contact. But the Colonel Donovan who conducted the interview brought in a guy named James Phinney Baxter, his director of research and analysis, who it turned out had been Burroughs' house master at Harvard, and get this - he hadn't allowed Burroughs to keep a ferret in his room! (I find this so funny!) And he intensely disliked Burroughs, so he didn't get in there, either. Probably a good thing for us literati, though, cuz can you imagine Burroughs' sensibility getting poisoned by working for the CIA? Now there's an image!
For one final foray into the service: Bill was drafted in 1942, finally, but his mother was connected enough to pull strings to get him out.

There ya go, Mitch. Hope you are well, and all...


Wendy

 

Re: Burroughs and post WW-II America » wendy b.

Posted by Ritch on June 5, 2003, at 10:25:09

In reply to Re: Burroughs and post WW-II America » Ritch, posted by wendy b. on June 5, 2003, at 7:31:18

>
> > Wendy, thanks for that tidbit of info! I wonder if he was drafted in WWII? He would have been the "age" for being drafted. ?
> >
>
> Well, it says in the Barry Miles book that he tried to enlist in the Navy in 1940, but he flunked the physical. He also tried the American Field Service (I don't know what that is, really), but the elitist recruiter disapproved of his lodgings at Harvard (he'd been there for undergrad and then grad work since 1932), so he did not get in there, either. Then, he tried to join the OSS -- forerunner of the CIA -- as a field agent, using a well-connected uncle as his contact. But the Colonel Donovan who conducted the interview brought in a guy named James Phinney Baxter, his director of research and analysis, who it turned out had been Burroughs' house master at Harvard, and get this - he hadn't allowed Burroughs to keep a ferret in his room! (I find this so funny!) And he intensely disliked Burroughs, so he didn't get in there, either. Probably a good thing for us literati, though, cuz can you imagine Burroughs' sensibility getting poisoned by working for the CIA? Now there's an image!
> For one final foray into the service: Bill was drafted in 1942, finally, but his mother was connected enough to pull strings to get him out.
>
> There ya go, Mitch. Hope you are well, and all...
>
>
> Wendy

That's interesting that he was *wanting* to get into the service before the war started. I can't recall ever reading a biography on anybody. I believe I bought Gore Vidal's "Lincoln: A Novel" and was going to start on that one and never quite made it... I'm doing OK for now, just waiting for my summer depression to start! Kind of like listening to the theme from "Jaws" :)

 

Re: Burroughs and post WW-II America

Posted by Snoozy on June 5, 2003, at 18:30:22

In reply to Re: Burroughs and post WW-II America » wendy b., posted by Ritch on June 5, 2003, at 10:25:09

>Then, he tried to join the OSS -- forerunner of the CIA --

Wow, I've been thinking about this one. Given the weird stuff the OSS was into, with the LSD and all, what on earth it would have been like with Burroughs in there! Definitely an interesting what-if.

I love the ferret bit, thanks! It's even more fun to think the course of 20th century history hinged on a pet ferret. I know that's quite a stretch, but I need a good diversion!

>Then, he tried to join the OSS -- forerunner of the CIA -- as a field agent, using a well-connected uncle as his contact. But the Colonel Donovan who conducted the interview brought in a guy named James Phinney Baxter, his director of research and analysis, who it turned out had been Burroughs' house master at Harvard, and get this - he hadn't allowed Burroughs to keep a ferret in his room! (I find this so funny!) And he intensely disliked Burroughs, so he didn't get in there, either. Probably a good thing for us literati, though, cuz can you imagine Burroughs' sensibility getting poisoned by working for the CIA? Now there's an image!
> For one final foray into the service: Bill was drafted in 1942, finally, but his mother was connected enough to pull strings to get him out.
>


 

Re: Burroughs suprise

Posted by slinky on June 14, 2003, at 7:51:39

In reply to Re: Burroughs and post WW-II America, posted by Snoozy on June 5, 2003, at 18:30:22

Wow...my little strange post made a l o n g thread.
I'm still reading the farmyard "Cock a Doodle Doo!: Barnyard Hullabaloo"
book .I'm struggling on page 9 --can't seem to concentrate these days....hopefully it will have a happy ending.

 

Re: Barnyard Hullabaloo » slinky

Posted by Ritch on June 15, 2003, at 9:54:55

In reply to Re: Burroughs suprise, posted by slinky on June 14, 2003, at 7:51:39

> Wow...my little strange post made a l o n g thread.
> I'm still reading the farmyard "Cock a Doodle Doo!: Barnyard Hullabaloo"
> book .I'm struggling on page 9 --can't seem to concentrate these days....hopefully it will have a happy ending.
>


I'm having trouble as well. I was reading two and three books at the same time last month, but my energy level is considerably LOWER, and I almost have to force myself to read! I think your book will have a happy ending, unlike "Charlotte's Web". ;)

 

Re: Barnyard Hullabaloo » Ritch

Posted by slinky on June 17, 2003, at 18:49:07

In reply to Re: Barnyard Hullabaloo » slinky, posted by Ritch on June 15, 2003, at 9:54:55

Wow, that front cover design with sneaky spider ..
Hmm I think I'll have a go at book cover design:-)


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