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Posted by linkadge on September 9, 2010, at 20:53:12
Sounds like a good supplement in theory. Has anyone tried it?
Linkadge
Posted by Tomatheus on September 9, 2010, at 22:41:45
In reply to anyone try picamilon?, posted by linkadge on September 9, 2010, at 20:53:12
Linkadge,
I've tried picamilon and noticed some antidepressant, anti-anxiety, and antipsychotic benefits from it. To me, it felt best on the first day I took it and on the first day after increasing the dose, but I could still feel it working (mostly on anxiety) to some extent after that point. I stopped taking it because its antidepressant benefits weren't strong enough to justify continuing using it (in my opinion), but I consider it to be one of the better supplements I've tried as of late.
Tomatheus
Posted by morgan miller on September 9, 2010, at 23:04:31
In reply to Re: anyone try picamilon?, posted by Tomatheus on September 9, 2010, at 22:41:45
Linkage, you should check out Imminst.org. There has been a lot of discussion of picamillon and many other mind enhancing/mood enhancing supplements. Picamillon is considered to be a potential nootropic. There is a nootropic forum on Imminst that you could do a search at and find a lot of information and feedback.
I tried picamillon but it was during a very bad time, so I'm not sure if I was in the right state to react well to it or measure the effects of it. I think it had a noticeable calming effect. I have some sitting around and might try it now since I'm in a much better state than when I first tried it.
Another great forum with many smart guys that do a lot of research on psychiatric drugs, nootropics, and supplements is mindandmuscle.net.
Have you ever heard of or tried Piracetam? It's another nootropic that impacts GABA receptors. Since it can be excitatory, it may not be good for bipolars that are sensitive to it. It sent me into hypomania and then destabilized me a bit. Others have found Piracetam to have a powerful lasting antidepressant effect and a lasting positive effect on cognitive function.
Morgan
Posted by morgan miller on September 9, 2010, at 23:09:50
In reply to Re: anyone try picamilon?, posted by morgan miller on September 9, 2010, at 23:04:31
I believe Piracetam may increase NMDA receptor density causing the excitatory effects. So I can Piracetam has both inhibitory and excitatory effects. Anyway, it and the other racetams are interesting little drugs.
Posted by morgan miller on September 9, 2010, at 23:10:44
In reply to Re: anyone try picamilon?, posted by morgan miller on September 9, 2010, at 23:09:50
> I believe Piracetam may increase NMDA receptor density causing the excitatory effects. So I GUESS Piracetam has both inhibitory and excitatory effects. Anyway, it and the other racetams are interesting little drugs.
Posted by sigismund on September 10, 2010, at 2:46:35
In reply to anyone try picamilon?, posted by linkadge on September 9, 2010, at 20:53:12
Yeah, in theory it does.
Maybe I took too much?
It felt agitating.
Posted by sigismund on September 10, 2010, at 2:50:36
In reply to Re: anyone try picamilon?, posted by morgan miller on September 9, 2010, at 23:04:31
>Have you ever heard of or tried Piracetam? I
I hated that too. Aniracetam was perhaps better than high dose piracetam.
Centrophenoxine was one of those things you only try once.
Then there's always phenylpiracetam (I think it is)......Hydergine was OK.
Posted by morgan miller on September 10, 2010, at 3:21:34
In reply to Re: anyone try picamilon?, posted by sigismund on September 10, 2010, at 2:50:36
Sigismund, what do you think about Cerebrolysin? Maybe I should start a thread about it here on the alternative board. I really think I'm going to try it, the reviews on Imminst just sound too good. At this point, I'm willing to try anything to get my brain back to functioning the way it was a few years ago.
Link, sorry to get off topic. Would you try Cerebrolysin?
I think Picamillon is worth a try. It's definitely not going to hurt. I don't think it is all that expensive. Relentless Improvement is a good source.
Posted by Lao Tzu on September 10, 2010, at 11:39:18
I felt it to be rather innocuous for me. I did feel something, but I don't think it really affected my mood in any specific way. That's not saying that someone couldn't benefit from it. It is a nootropic supplement, so who knows? I think it is rather safe to take on an ongoing basis. Maybe it will help you.
Posted by linkadge on September 10, 2010, at 15:12:17
In reply to Re: anyone try picamilon? » sigismund, posted by morgan miller on September 10, 2010, at 3:21:34
Yeah, I'm not too interested in piracitam. I have too much problem with excitory neurotransmission right now.
The SSRIs, which are supposed to be good for anxiety, usually end up just making me more anxious (i.e. increased sensitivity to light, sound, agitation etc).
Theanine was pretty good for me, but I'd like something else to cycle with it. I think I will probably try picamilon at some point (sucks that I just can't pick it up at a health food store here in canada)
I didn't like taurine. It did help anxiety, but it brought my mood down somewhat over time.
Linkadge
Posted by morgan miller on September 10, 2010, at 15:40:06
In reply to Re: anyone try picamilon?, posted by linkadge on September 10, 2010, at 15:12:17
What do you think about Magnesium or Glycine for their relaxing/inhibitory effects? I think they both have some inhibitory effects on NMDA receptors.
What about Phosphatidylserine? It can be improve brain function and lower cortisol, which may have a relaxing effect.
Did you ever get a chance to check out Imminst?
Posted by sigismund on September 10, 2010, at 17:04:27
In reply to Re: anyone try picamilon? » sigismund, posted by morgan miller on September 10, 2010, at 3:21:34
>Would you try Cerebrolysin?
I know someone for whom it was a very unpleasant experience, and then there's the fact that it is made out of animal brains (is this right?), and then there's the issue of importing injectable substances.
So no, I'd need to be convinced, although I know nothing about it.
Posted by morgan miller on September 10, 2010, at 18:10:09
In reply to Re: anyone try picamilon? » morgan miller, posted by sigismund on September 10, 2010, at 17:04:27
Was this a friend of yours that tried it? What were they using it for?
Being derived from porcine brains doesn't scare me off at all. Many cultures eat the brains of animals. Brains are actually full of nutrients that are beneficial to health. The issue of possible infection would concern me more than anything, but I believe the company who makes Cerebrolysin has that covered.
Yeah having to inject it is definitely an issue. I would have to make sure I knew what I was doing, or find a friend that had experience in injection using syringes. Still, I've read enough positive reviews of it for my interest to be spiked. I really don't think there is much risk involved. It wouldn't be any different than a few month trial of an antidepressant. Actually, there is probably less risk with trying something like Cerebrolysin than a trial with AD's. JMO.
Morgan
Posted by sigismund on September 10, 2010, at 20:34:32
In reply to Re: anyone try picamilon?, posted by morgan miller on September 10, 2010, at 18:10:09
>Was this a friend of yours that tried it? What were they using it for?
Well, someone I know online. I don't recall what he was using it for. I suppose he hoped it would be nice.
Posted by BrainDamage on September 11, 2010, at 3:47:43
In reply to Re: anyone try picamilon?, posted by morgan miller on September 9, 2010, at 23:04:31
Picamalon had no effect, either good or bad on me
It looks great on paper, but the reality was a let down
It was a while ago that I took it though........
Posted by linkadge on September 11, 2010, at 7:23:34
In reply to Re: anyone try picamilon?, posted by BrainDamage on September 11, 2010, at 3:47:43
There are a lot of supplements I don't really tollerate well.
There are about 3-5 supplements (out of probably >75 I've tried) that I would really recomend to others.
I don't do well on magnesium or taurine. Magnesium can often make me more depressed and irritable. Taurine helps with anxiety, but after a few days use I just feel yukky.
Phosphatidly serine makes my emotions way too intense (cholinergic overdrive)? In general, I do not do well on nootropics.
Some of the supplements that have helped are:
omega-3 (especially high dose DHA)
theanine
ginger root
vitamin c
dark chocolateThere are a few others I use semi-regularly, but they're not coming to me now..
Linkadge
Posted by sregan on September 21, 2010, at 11:58:39
In reply to anyone try picamilon?, posted by linkadge on September 9, 2010, at 20:53:12
Linkadge,
I went looking for klonopin alternatives at a time.
I have some Picamilon and take it once and a while. It's like a weak klonopin. A form of Gaba and B3 together. Stronger is Phenibut, much closer to klonopin. Many reports of Phenibut tolerance, those folks were taking a LOT to get some kind of high.
Cheers
> Sounds like a good supplement in theory. Has anyone tried it?
>
> Linkadge
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