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Posted by Kaffy on July 12, 2007, at 11:53:42
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by FredPotter on July 3, 2007, at 17:59:40
HI, I am NEW here, so please forgive me if I'm asking this Q in wrong forum, but previous info leads me to ask this:
Has anyone had the Vagus Nerve Stimulation procedure? I think it would be interesting to know the success rate, even if 50%.
Thank you.
Posted by diablo esquire on July 20, 2007, at 5:16:34
In reply to Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by blueberry on November 28, 2006, at 21:03:38
On one hand there is some validity to points made in this type of claim....recent research has validated experience ahd what one thinks, does etc, affects brain chemistry, just as brain chemistry affects thoughts, moods,behavior experience...good overview on c.rose recently by nobel prize winner and others on phenom of top down (experience effects brain)v.bottom up(use meds to effect experience)...have come to conclusion as in other post on perspective...there is a chicken little aspect, CBT deals with cognitive errors,(that have bio basis).. that once in persepective and put into mindfullness...can fairly quickly offer some relief...but one does not need to pay some web promoter anything for that insight...contact me for free at diabloesquire@yahoo.com for more info
...on bit of a crusade against these instant cure promoters who take advantage...of chronic sufferers..
Posted by diablo esquire on July 20, 2007, at 5:50:36
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by diablo esquire on July 20, 2007, at 5:16:34
Forgot to make important point...all these seemingly reassuring money back promises have no way to be enforced in any practical manner, just another version of pyschobabble(apoligy to board name) used to create some false sense of security...only way would be to ask them to state "agent for service of process" in your state that you could take to small claims court...otherwise too small potatoes for any enforcement..
Posted by Kaffy on July 20, 2007, at 6:13:49
In reply to Depression Cure valid? Money Back Promise, posted by diablo esquire on July 20, 2007, at 5:50:36
> Forgot to make important point...all these seemingly reassuring money back promises have no way to be enforced in any practical manner, just another version of pyschobabble(apoligy to board name) used to create some false sense of security...only way would be to ask them to state "agent for service of process" in your state that you could take to small claims court...otherwise too small potatoes for any enforcement..
Agree! If he 'guarantees' his product, he should at least charge half now, half when satisfied, or pay WHEN satisfied. That way, HE is the one taking the loss, if any. The price is ridiculous for an 'unknown' product. A 20-minute office visit to reputable physician is less than that, and he's providing much less, without face-to-face confirmation and feedback. This is what happens when we no longer have Carnivals and the man with the 'where is the ball hidden' side show!
A charlatan, to be sure.
Posted by Cindy1861 on July 20, 2007, at 13:29:26
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by Mike Freeman on November 28, 2006, at 21:04:25
Dear Mr. Freeman and Associates:
Here I am on the computer that I have sworn off of, but find that I cannot for research purposes. I must say that after reading approximately 3/4's of your ADVERTISEMENT, all I could do was cry! Stupid me,to think that someone actually wanted to help me lose these feelings was a joke. My trauma started about 33 years ago, but within the past year alone: I was in a vehicle accident with a semi-truck causing health complications; I then lost my job of 15 years as a legal secretary; I then lost my 26 year old daughter the day before her birthday, a mother of 4 small children in a fatal one car collision/rollover; being trapped on the outskirts of the aftermath of a tornado that another one of my daughters', a mother of 5 children, was directly in the middle of (needless to say I walked through the debris to get to her as officers would not let me through); accusations of unfaithfulness by my husband, severe enough to result in my leaving the house and having to cash in almost all of my retirement for living expenses and a vehicle. By the way there is more, but I won't bother you with the di minimus details.
I am 46 years old, the mother of 3 daughters (one recently deceased) and grandmother of 14 grandchildren. I cannot hardly operate on a day to day basis, and you have angered me so, to start off your ADVERTISEMENT as an offer to help people with their prob's, then go on to say how it will only cost you $97.00 to obtain this 3 MINUTE CURE.
Although I want more than anything to free myself from these chains that make me feel so hopeless, I cannot afford your $97.00 3 MINUTE CURE. My hope for people to simply help people, just because, is gone! Thanks for your assistance in opening my eyes, once again on an almost daily basis, to the fact that this world and the people in it are nothing but selfish individuals only trying to get ahead by and through the hard work and tears of the people you step on! Gee Thanks!
Cindy
Posted by Kaffy on July 20, 2007, at 14:24:54
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by Cindy1861 on July 20, 2007, at 13:29:26
Cindy: I am so sorry that you've had so much (too much) piled upon you, especially those that cannot be 'corrected'.
I used to cringe whenever my mother said that she believed in 'Mind over Matter' - little did she know what I was going through, even when I was in high school. I don't think she could have comprehended the hell of clinical depression, and my thinking I was 'posessed' because *I* could not control invasive thoughts, etc. I had to work harder than necessary for my accomplishments. THOSE she was proud of. She even denied her own depression. Off soap box.Your complaint was one I wondered about also! If *I* had a 3-minute solution, believe me, I'd have one huge web site, GIVING it away! We who have been/are 'there' don't want others to feel the same way. There's so much to understand about the brain's chemistry.
I cannot offer much solace for you, except that I am sorry that you have to suffer that pain.
Posted by diablo esquire on July 21, 2007, at 4:58:36
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by Kaffy on July 20, 2007, at 14:24:54
I noticed the posts fm Freeman are missing at least on this thread where he stated that his legitimacy and promises are backed up by the service that process his money exchanges...is that statement in another thread or does anyone have a copy of that....as noted in these promises one needs a legit business with agent for service of legal process to be legit promise or contract to be enforced...I would like to contact that service with his claim that they will back his legitimacy, thus putting themselves in legal jeopardy for his claims...
Posted by Kaffy on July 21, 2007, at 5:49:36
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage? » FredPotter, posted by Kaffy on July 12, 2007, at 11:49:38
> > I bought the CD and it didn't work for me.
>
> DID YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK?Mr. Fred Potter hasn't responded to this question; maybe he could shed some light on his attempts to get his money back? Fred???
Posted by diablo esquire on July 25, 2007, at 5:40:09
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by EmmaJeanne on April 30, 2007, at 23:53:35
Here's a link to the purchase agreement for the 3 min cure...double talks, waive your rights, enforce the promise only in Oregon etc...have told them would be happy to purchase if they can provide enforcement mechanism for blanket money back promise...also this is just some form they got fm the internet, not really tailored by real lawyers for their businss..will continue to pursue
http://www.3-minute-depression-cure.com/StandardFiles/UnAltered/Policies/purchase.php?sid=367914...if not auto link just go to the website and scroll to bottom to get..try again...
http://www.3-minute-depression-cure.com/StandardFiles/UnAltered/Policies/purchase.php?sid=367914...
Posted by Kaffy on July 25, 2007, at 11:12:30
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure = Legalese Double Talk, posted by diablo esquire on July 25, 2007, at 5:40:09
Posted by FredPotter on August 1, 2007, at 18:39:27
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Kaffy on July 21, 2007, at 5:49:36
Sorry - I haven't sent the CD back yet
Posted by Kaffy on August 1, 2007, at 19:49:33
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by FredPotter on August 1, 2007, at 18:39:27
> Sorry - I haven't sent the CD back yet
Well then, I have this beautiful bridge I'd like to sell you for only $20,000 - and I will give you an out of sight guarantee, no questions asked! Send cashier's check to: M E .
Posted by diablo esquire on August 2, 2007, at 6:06:18
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Kaffy on August 1, 2007, at 19:49:33
Would like to hear fm anyone who has sent money in to find whole thing is Five Finger Fraud...
-misrepresentation
-of a material fact
-intended to induce reliance
-induces reliance
-causes damage (loss of money)if want to get real technical, the promo messages that ask for email in return for report that promises cure but in fact is just more promo meets the above criteria...giving up value as in your email in reliance of phoney promise can be argued to be in violation of wire fraud (ever see Tom Cruise in The Firm...Grisham tale...uses simple law to take down big time operators...)
so anyone also who has sent email address to this fraud also could meet the above criterion...
Posted by Kaffy on August 2, 2007, at 8:52:59
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by FredPotter on August 1, 2007, at 18:39:27
> Sorry - I haven't sent the CD back yet
Fred Potter: Did you sign anything stating that you would not share the information from the CD? If not, why not share with us the bottom line of the "3-minute Cure" ?
If you still 'own' the information, and it's not 'top secret', this is a good opportunity for others to save their money by telling us what its all about. And the author would NOT gain future income! I'm curious if he is providing THE 3-minute 'cure', or telling people about a 3-minute medical procedure.
I DID visit the website, read all of the babbling, and still had no idea of what he was offering. Several days later, I received an email from him to 'reconsider' purchasing his 'cure'! I don't remember that I GAVE my email address, but he had it.
Posted by revaaron on August 2, 2007, at 12:02:21
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by FredPotter on August 1, 2007, at 18:39:27
Then why don't you rip it and put it up on BitTorrent so everyone can see how full of BS this scammer is?
Posted by NoWH on August 8, 2007, at 15:07:48
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by Cindy1861 on July 20, 2007, at 13:29:26
Hi Cindy,
I am sorry for your pain and difficulty. You may want to try EFT (an acupressure-based technique)to work with your depression symptoms; it is free to learn, and some people have had excellent results with it.
You can watch an introductory video and learn the procedure here: http://www.emofree.com/
Best Wishes,
NoWH
> Dear Mr. Freeman and Associates:
>
> Here I am on the computer that I have sworn off of, but find that I cannot for research purposes. I must say that after reading approximately 3/4's of your ADVERTISEMENT, all I could do was cry! Stupid me,to think that someone actually wanted to help me lose these feelings was a joke. My trauma started about 33 years ago, but within the past year alone: I was in a vehicle accident with a semi-truck causing health complications; I then lost my job of 15 years as a legal secretary; I then lost my 26 year old daughter the day before her birthday, a mother of 4 small children in a fatal one car collision/rollover; being trapped on the outskirts of the aftermath of a tornado that another one of my daughters', a mother of 5 children, was directly in the middle of (needless to say I walked through the debris to get to her as officers would not let me through); accusations of unfaithfulness by my husband, severe enough to result in my leaving the house and having to cash in almost all of my retirement for living expenses and a vehicle. By the way there is more, but I won't bother you with the di minimus details.
>
> I am 46 years old, the mother of 3 daughters (one recently deceased) and grandmother of 14 grandchildren. I cannot hardly operate on a day to day basis, and you have angered me so, to start off your ADVERTISEMENT as an offer to help people with their prob's, then go on to say how it will only cost you $97.00 to obtain this 3 MINUTE CURE.
>
> Although I want more than anything to free myself from these chains that make me feel so hopeless, I cannot afford your $97.00 3 MINUTE CURE. My hope for people to simply help people, just because, is gone! Thanks for your assistance in opening my eyes, once again on an almost daily basis, to the fact that this world and the people in it are nothing but selfish individuals only trying to get ahead by and through the hard work and tears of the people you step on! Gee Thanks!
>
> Cindy
Posted by Noddy on August 22, 2007, at 13:24:50
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage? » FredPotter, posted by Kaffy on July 12, 2007, at 11:49:38
I bought the CD, and found some of it interesting; I think some of the material is related to Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.
The advice or techniques are probably useful as part of an overall toolbox to help deal with depression, but in my opinion, it doesn't qualify as a "3 Minute Cure", especially for biologically-based depression.
"3 Minute Depression Cure" is certainly more marketable than "Useful Advice to Help You Manage Your Depression Alongside Diet, Exercise, Supplements, and Medication".
I don't consider this a scam, because they refunded my money when I returned the CD, and because it may be helpful for some people, but I didn't think it was worth $97.
Posted by Kaffy on August 23, 2007, at 18:29:29
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Noddy on August 22, 2007, at 13:24:50
Noddy, Thank you for an interesting perspective; would you have kept the CD if it had sole for, say, $25? And, as with most things, there cannot be a 'CURE' unless we alter our behaviour - would you agree that that is an important ingredient? Thanks in advance. Kaffy.
Posted by Noddy on August 27, 2007, at 14:02:24
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Kaffy on August 23, 2007, at 18:29:29
Hi Kaffy,
It was less about the CD being $97 and more about it not being a "cure" (in my experience); if the CD had been advertised as a useful addition to existing treatments for depression, then sure, I might have been willing to pay $25 for such information, though I probably would have gone out and bought a book instead, since I can at least browse it before I buy.
Now, did I REALLY expect that something advertised on the Internet for $97 would be a magical cure for depression? No, not really, but I figured I'd risk it on the small chance that there was something new and wonderful here, and they did issue me a refund --- no questions asked --- so I can't complain.
As for your comment on altering behaviour, I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that altering behaviour is a necessary part of effecting a cure, or that a successful cure will result in alteration of behavior?
Thanks,
Noddy
> Noddy, Thank you for an interesting perspective; would you have kept the CD if it had sole for, say, $25? And, as with most things, there cannot be a 'CURE' unless we alter our behaviour - would you agree that that is an important ingredient? Thanks in advance. Kaffy.
Posted by Kaffy on August 27, 2007, at 15:51:38
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Noddy on August 27, 2007, at 14:02:24
<snip> As for your comment on altering behaviour, I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that altering behaviour is a necessary part of effecting a cure, or that a successful cure will result in alteration of behavior?
Thanks,
Noddy
<snip>
Noddy,
Thank you for your explanation of your experience; I can understand same. I also would rather peruse a book - or many books prior to deciding which one, if any...
My comment: I guess I was 'thinking out loud' - and am thinking that our approach to finding 'cures' are a result of any/all of: medical, mental, physical input/thought processes, practice, etc., all of which in my experience have had the outcome of a change in behavior. My behavior changed with medication - some good, some I just needed to live with; mental, either due to self-realization or with assistance of a professional who knew HOW to help, and physical, either by stopping a bad habit, or doing exercises, changing what we can do for ourselves, either socially or other input. Not very well put, but it's the old "action-reaction" put in other words. So, yes, I believe that SUCCESS, or the REACHING for it does make for a change in behavior...and vice versa - it is WE who must CHANGE or ENDURE a change to obtain that hoped-for cure. I did not intend to make my words seem that they worked both ways, but in writing this, I think it is so. We pay a price even when we are NOT heard (NO CHANGE)- that is the saddest part. I am so tired of not being "heard", or needing to tell my story to too many people before I find one who can relate, and also is in a position to help - then does, with as much commitment as I have, in needing to be well. Sorry about all of that "stuff".
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SHORT ANSWER: YES TO BOTH.
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Posted by Noddy on August 28, 2007, at 18:07:46
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Kaffy on August 27, 2007, at 15:51:38
Hi Kaffy,
Everything you wrote makes sense to me. I think there are so many different factors involved.
I too get tired of not being heard or of not finding someone who can understand or relate.I used to hope that I could overcome everything and be "normal" (whatever the hell that means). Then I felt there was no chance for me to overcome this, which made me feel even worse. Now I think that this is something I must live with, but maybe I can learn to live with it and still have good and useful things in my life.
Depression is bad, but to me, feeling helpless about depression and powerless to change is worse, so I think it is best to keep working on change and healing, and even if I'm fooling myself, at least I can give myself a goal in the meantime.
All the Best,
Noddy
> Thank you for your explanation of your experience; I can understand same. I also would rather peruse a book - or many books prior to deciding which one, if any...
> My comment: I guess I was 'thinking out loud' - and am thinking that our approach to finding 'cures' are a result of any/all of: medical, mental, physical input/thought processes, practice, etc., all of which in my experience have had the outcome of a change in behavior. My behavior changed with medication - some good, some I just needed to live with; mental, either due to self-realization or with assistance of a professional who knew HOW to help, and physical, either by stopping a bad habit, or doing exercises, changing what we can do for ourselves, either socially or other input. Not very well put, but it's the old "action-reaction" put in other words. So, yes, I believe that SUCCESS, or the REACHING for it does make for a change in behavior...and vice versa - it is WE who must CHANGE or ENDURE a change to obtain that hoped-for cure. I did not intend to make my words seem that they worked both ways, but in writing this, I think it is so. We pay a price even when we are NOT heard (NO CHANGE)- that is the saddest part. I am so tired of not being "heard", or needing to tell my story to too many people before I find one who can relate, and also is in a position to help - then does, with as much commitment as I have, in needing to be well. Sorry about all of that "stuff".
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> SHORT ANSWER: YES TO BOTH.
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>
>
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2007, at 19:57:16
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Noddy on August 28, 2007, at 18:07:46
> Hi Kaffy,
>
> Everything you wrote makes sense to me. I think there are so many different factors involved.
> I too get tired of not being heard or of not finding someone who can understand or relate.
>
> I used to hope that I could overcome everything and be "normal" (whatever the hell that means). Then I felt there was no chance for me to overcome this, which made me feel even worse. Now I think that this is something I must live with, but maybe I can learn to live with it and still have good and useful things in my life.
>
> Depression is bad, but to me, feeling helpless about depression and powerless to change is worse, so I think it is best to keep working on change and healing, and even if I'm fooling myself, at least I can give myself a goal in the meantime.
>
> All the Best,
>
> NoddyI think you said that quite well. Cope, and hope.
Lar
Posted by Kaffy on August 28, 2007, at 23:06:17
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage? » Noddy, posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2007, at 19:57:16
Noddy,
WOW, My sentiments exactly!
Re: "Depression is bad, but to me, feeling helpless about depression and powerless to change is worse" That *helpless* feeling is horrible for me, because I can be a 'control freak', and have always expected, or set goals possibly too high. ...but then, my parents also expected near-perfection (from my viewpoint) from me, without understanding my restrictions of depression, which they did not pick up on, and my attempts at telling "a little" was attributed to "growing pains", etc. So, since around puberty, I've 'lived with it', and managed to have a successful career - but I certainly would have enjoyed it much more had I not needed to work so hard to overcome the 'demons'. I'm now trying to put some of this on paper for social security people, but they want doctors' documentation, etc. ...yeah, like every complaint, although consistent, has been documented?! It took 20 years for someone to finally test me for sleep apnea! And the response I get when I tell my doc that I find myself holding my breath during the day is "why?" - as if I do it on purpose, for the non-high from lack of oxygen. No, I think I'd choose another form of suicide, thanks. She knows that I 'think' about it, and asks periodically, but I tell her I'm too nosey for 'tomorrow' to do anything - that I'd fumble anyway, ha ha. I think the idea of suicide is more of "stop the world, I want to get off", until I can get myself and my environmet squared away - then I'll take on the problems awaiting me, but please, take a number!
Wow, am I lying down on the imaginary sofa or what? thanks for listening, and letting me get this OUT! I am Kathleen in PA, and glad to know you, Noddy. I welcome responses/impressions/remarks to my rantings...I think we have more insight to this shared present from Hell than those without it. But answers? No, just a day-to-day struggle to be what we know we can be.
Posted by Noddy on August 31, 2007, at 8:44:39
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Kaffy on August 28, 2007, at 23:06:17
Hi Kaffy,
I sent a Babblemail in response to your post.
Posted by Kaffy on August 31, 2007, at 19:27:01
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Noddy on August 31, 2007, at 8:44:39
Noddy; Thank You! Are you my twin? Will respond as soon as private time permits. so much to share w/ea other. I'll have to figure out how to do babblemail; I have the 'babble' down, fer sure!
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