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Posted by vitaqueen on September 29, 2005, at 14:54:54
Anyone familiar with the pros and cons and effects of EDTA products? Found this website -- www.cardiorenew.com.
If anyone has had any experience with EDTA and/or Chelation, I would appreciate your input.
Posted by barbaracat on September 29, 2005, at 21:00:22
In reply to EDTA and Chelation Products, posted by vitaqueen on September 29, 2005, at 14:54:54
Boy oh boy, do I ever! I don't have experience with EDTA although I know something about it. My experience is with DMSO which I was using for detoxing high mercury levels. I was taking it from my (ex)-naturopath and using it orally instead of the usual IV drip. After 3 weeks on 1 300mg pill a week I ended up with Stevens Johnson Syndrome and was extremely bad off for 5 weeks. I believe that some of it can be attributed to the fact that I was beginning to come down with the rash from Lamictal but had been off Lam for 3 months by that time. I think it helped in the extra sensitivty but I think the real issues were that my elimination and detoxification pathways were compromised and it poisoned me.
EDTA is an older chelating agent and it's main claim is in chelating lead and plaque from arteries. The problem is that if there is any mercury in your system, taking it orally will grab onto it but redeposit it back into your system as well as crossing the bb barier.
I've gotten loads of those brochures about how safe EDTA is and think 'whoo, what karma they are reaping!'.
First of all, a chelating agent should not be taken orally until several tests show that the liver is in top shape (how many of us on meds can claim that?), that glutathione levels are high (not likely) and that the digestive/elimination system is a real healthy workhorse cause this is the main path of elimination of the toxins. Liver enzymes, like the Ct-P540 should be checked to assure that there isn't a detoxification pathway issue. Some of us are slow metabolizers of certain drugs and this circulates it through the system alot longer.
IV drips are less hard on these systems because it's going directly into the blood and is eliminates mainly through kidneys but there is some GI too. Of course, you've got to go to a Dr. for this and make sure this person has done many many chelations.
If any method was safe over the counter, anal suppositories are probably the best bet but your still playing with fire when heavy metals are involved.
My naturopath did not perform any supportive tests and went by the common opinion that DMPS is perfectly safe. I have fibromyalgia and with it comes irritable bowel syndrome, so my elimination system isn't tip-top. I also am a slow metabolizer to many meds, SSRI's being one class. Most people don't have any major problems with it, but if any of those pathways are compromised you could end up very sick.
Many of these chelating agents are sulfa-thiol based so if you have any allergies to sulfa drugs or antibiotics, don't do it. I now have a drug allergy to anything with sulfa in it and never did before this.
That's my opinion anyway. You should weigh it against others' experiences and how brave you feel. If you do decide to go for it, put yourself on a very healthy regimen and cleansing out, lots of Vitamin C for at least 2 weeks before hand. You want to be as toxic free as possible so your liver can devote itself to handling the toxins that chelation releases. - BarbaraCat
> Anyone familiar with the pros and cons and effects of EDTA products? Found this website -- www.cardiorenew.com.
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> If anyone has had any experience with EDTA and/or Chelation, I would appreciate your input.
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Posted by Declan on September 30, 2005, at 8:24:27
In reply to Re: EDTA and Chelation Products » vitaqueen, posted by barbaracat on September 29, 2005, at 21:00:22
At xxx they make a specialty of this. You may like to look around there. I haven't tried their chelatiom stuff.
Declan
Posted by vitaqueen on September 30, 2005, at 12:55:07
In reply to Re: EDTA and Chelation Products » vitaqueen, posted by barbaracat on September 29, 2005, at 21:00:22
Wow, you have certainly opened my eyes about this. I think I'll pass on it. Thanks for your input.
Posted by barbaracat on September 30, 2005, at 13:41:04
In reply to Re: EDTA and Chelation Products » barbaracat, posted by vitaqueen on September 30, 2005, at 12:55:07
> Wow, you have certainly opened my eyes about this. I think I'll pass on it. Thanks for your input.
**Sheesh, if my miserable experience can save one life, etc., etc.
I'm not ruling out EDTA as a valuable tool because it is and where it works it does miracles. I have heard that it CAN be very safe and it might be exactly what you need. The pills these kindly old doctors in their white coats and stethoscopes on the brochure covers are selling may be very mild and safe. But you just don't know and because of all the issues I mentioned you certainly want someone on hand in case you're the 1 out of 1,000 where something goes wrong.
But if you're serious about finding out for yourself, check out sources that aren't selling anything, look at forums for chelation and heavy metal toxicity for other's experiences. Not to say that heavy metals are your problem, but they will be if you don't take precautions.
Regarding the naturopath who gave me the DMSO, I had a gut bad feeling beforehand (my premonition was working but I didn't listen) and asked her about EDTA. She was the one who said their clinic never used EDTA first because they specialized in mercury removal. EDTA was good at grabbing ahold of mercury but not excreting it so ends up redepositing it. EDTA is great for lead and cardiac problems but before it's used, mercury should first be dealt with.
There's a controversy if this applies to pulling mercury from tooth amalgam fillings, but most of us have more mercury in us than we'd like to believe because of industrial wastes, polluted waters and fish, and believe it or not, crematoriums! Mercury used to be a standard part of the embalming process and still is in some parts - ick.
I guess what I'm saying is don't throw the baby out but get real informed first and have a resource on hand to monitor you, like a sympathetic doctor who does not do chelation but supports it and knows about it.
Bottom line, if you're not sick enough with some malady, let's just say if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Good luck. - Barbara
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 1, 2005, at 20:21:30
In reply to Re: EDTA and Chelation Products, posted by Declan on September 30, 2005, at 8:24:27
> At xxx they make a specialty of this. You may like to look around there.
Please don't use this site to exchange information that could be used to import into the US prescription medication (which one can find there if one looks around) without a prescription. Sorry, but this has come up before, so I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
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Thanks,
Bob
Posted by barbaracat on October 1, 2005, at 23:02:27
In reply to EDTA and Chelation Products, posted by vitaqueen on September 29, 2005, at 14:54:54
It was DMPS, not DMSO that I used for chelation. DMSO is a solvent used for a variety of things but not chelation.
Here's a link from Doctor Walker who has done alot of research in this area. He explains the different chelation methods and why it's important to be careful. Very worthile reading.
http://homepages.tesco.net/stephen.d.walker/chelation.html
Posted by teejay on October 2, 2005, at 5:58:23
In reply to Re: blocked for week » Declan, posted by Dr. Bob on October 1, 2005, at 20:21:30
Bad luck declan...another one who has fallen fowl of the thought police for being helpful.
See you in a week buddy.....we'll miss ya ;-)
TJ
Posted by teejay on October 2, 2005, at 6:10:46
In reply to Re: blocked for week, posted by teejay on October 2, 2005, at 5:58:23
That of course should be foul not fowl....stuffing the chicken for todays sunday dinner must have caused the freudian slip!
TJ (cluck cluck)
Posted by tealady on October 2, 2005, at 21:00:33
In reply to Re: blocked for week, posted by teejay on October 2, 2005, at 6:10:46
> TJ (cluck cluck)
Feeling clucky? *cheeky grins*
At least with Dr Bob he keeps you informed.
he doesn't just make up topics on a whim and backdate the penalties and not let ya know...Now if Dr Bob would just make a list of what sites we can't mention..so I remember *grins*
defeats the purpose Right, Dr Bob?Still wondering how someone with almost zilch short term memory is supposed to remember what we aren't supposed to mention as its illegal in a country on the other side of the world?
Don't worry about it Declan. Just come back in a week :-)
tea
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