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Posted by ron26 on March 13, 2005, at 10:30:46
Hello,
I heard that baked fish isn't so good for the omega 3. How about steamed mackerell for source of omega 3?
Posted by LOOPS on March 30, 2005, at 19:08:38
In reply to steamed mackerell, posted by ron26 on March 13, 2005, at 10:30:46
I guess it would be better.
Even better than this would be to eat raw fish (sashimi grade).
I buy sashimi grade salmon (carpaccio) and sometimes eat it raw. Feels a lot better but the taste takes getting used to.
I'm sure steaming is fine. I used to grill rainbow trout when I was living in England, with garlic and butter. CAn't remember having any depression at that time!
Loops
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 9, 2005, at 15:43:44
In reply to Re: steamed mackerell, posted by LOOPS on March 30, 2005, at 19:08:38
> I guess it would be better.
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> Even better than this would be to eat raw fish (sashimi grade).
>
> I buy sashimi grade salmon (carpaccio) and sometimes eat it raw. Feels a lot better but the taste takes getting used to.
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> I'm sure steaming is fine. I used to grill rainbow trout when I was living in England, with garlic and butter. CAn't remember having any depression at that time!
>
> LoopsIt really doesn't matter one bit what cooking method you use. Because the flesh contains water, it cannot every get to a higher temperature than the boiling point of water (212 F, or 100 C) unless all the water is driven off. The internal temperature will always be somewhat below that. In any case, omega-3 fatty acids are not decomposed by heat, in the realm of temperatures possible from cooking.....with one exception....if you burn the surface, or cook until a crust forms, there will be a tiny bit of degradation in those surfaces....but that's what gives the food some flavour....sugars hook up with amino acids in strange ways....taste yummy, unless you char it.
Lar
Posted by LOOPS on April 9, 2005, at 18:46:40
In reply to Re: steamed mackerell » LOOPS, posted by Larry Hoover on April 9, 2005, at 15:43:44
?
I read in numerous places fish oil would lessen insulin resistance.
However, I also read one anecdotal report that it made it worse.
I have noticed that I have put on some weight since beginning my fish oil regimen. I'm very careful about food choices and eat very healthily - also the fish oil does inhibit appetite a little bit, so I am surprised the scales have gone up (about 4 kilos). I haven't changed my eating/exercise habits.
Loops
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 14, 2005, at 9:18:00
In reply to Larry - p.opinion on fish oil + insulin resistance, posted by LOOPS on April 9, 2005, at 18:46:40
> ?
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> I read in numerous places fish oil would lessen insulin resistance.The animal experiments are very clear. Long chain PUFAs lessen insulin resistance. In fact, the contribution of EPA and DHA are both essential for that to happen, but each has totally distinct activity. However, human intervention studies have given far less consistent data to consider. Sometimes it works, occasionally it fails altogether, or even exacerbates the condition.
What that means is that there are too many uncontrolled variables in the human experiments. There are other life-style variables, or subject selection variables, that are influencing the outcomes.
> However, I also read one anecdotal report that it made it worse.
It happens.
> I have noticed that I have put on some weight since beginning my fish oil regimen. I'm very careful about food choices and eat very healthily - also the fish oil does inhibit appetite a little bit, so I am surprised the scales have gone up (about 4 kilos). I haven't changed my eating/exercise habits.
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> LoopsI hate to go there, but aging is a factor. Our bodies change.
Have you noticed fat accumulation? Restoration of normal insulin function in muscle tissues does cause them to take on more fluid, and to build more muscle fiber. Maybe it's muscle mass? What do you think?
Lar
Posted by LOOPS on April 14, 2005, at 19:02:44
In reply to Re: Larry - p.opinion on fish oil + insulin resistance » LOOPS, posted by Larry Hoover on April 14, 2005, at 9:18:00
Hi -
interesting. I do do a lot of sport so have quite a lot of muscle mass anyway for a woman. I will be hitting 29 on the 25th of this month - and quite often there is weight gain at around late twenties I think for most people.
Also I really screwed my metabolism up when I was younger suffering from first anorexia and then bulimia. It's been quite a battle learning how to eat well again, but I at last figured getting enough protein and complex carbs throughout the day was key to healing, on a balancing level anyway.
I've always had a lot of belly fat anyway, even when I was stick thin. I just noticed my hips are really taking more on now - probably just getting ready for kids or something.
I have hard tennis training every day and tennis does pack on the pounds for a woman - as does soccer as it tends to build the muscles a lot - and with muscles comes some degree of fat as well.
Anyway despite having suffered an ED, I'm not too worried about the weight gain - I'm still about average for my height (not compared to Chileans though - they are much smaller!). Anyway I would never trade in the psychological effects from the fish oil in a million years - it has been a godsend to me.
So to cut a waffle a bit shorter - I recently got hold of some high EPA fish oil - 500mg EPA/100mg DHA per cap, and I think I can feel quite a large difference in how it is affecting me. I can feel a mood lift without anxiety - I was getting mood stabilization with the bogstandard EPA/DHA caps and a slight lift, but there was a nagging anxiety on some days. The last few days I have been mixing the high EPA caps with taking my regular double strength (360/240) fish oil to cut the cost of the high EPA caps, and it is working quite well.
I am wondering about this omega 6:3 ratio once more also.
Right now my diet consists of a very mediterranean array of foods -
wholegrains, lots of smoked mackerel + other fish, sweet potatoes, squash, assorted veggies (esp. carrots - very good for my eczema), some fruit,
but I've had to cut out eggs and dairy as they make the eczema flare up.
What I'm wondering is - this list is actually very low in omega 6 or should I be worrying?? Stoll mentions it is very hard to get omega 6 too low in the diet, but if one is not eating much red meat/eggs/nuts/dairy + veg oil (olive oil included) I think it is indeed possible.
I keep remembering that passage about the tests on swimming mice/rats - one group fed om6+3 (1:1), the other only om3, and another om6+3 (20:1 I think or something like that). Turns out the om3-only group didn't do too hot - as bad as the high om-6 group I think.
Well there you go - now I've talked myself into adding some more nuts and olive oil!
How much vit E a day? If I am taking 5g total om-3 - will 400IUs be enough (+ vit C)?
Thanks. I don't know about the insulin resistance - I don't see how something that can feel so 'right' to my brain can be damaging to my body.
I'll tell you something else - my hair and skin is really improving these days. I didn't notice this until a couple of weeks ago (and no, I'm not pregnant ha ha!), but after several months on the fish oil, my hair is in really good nick, despite swimming in chlorine several times a week - and very recently, my skin is becoming a lot stronger and resistant to the dryness that precludes atopic eczema patches.
Loops
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