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Posted by rod on March 26, 2005, at 16:13:49
Hi
I havent posted for quite a long time because I was playing around with some home-made Cranial Electro Stimlation stuff with varying results... (I guess you thing I am crazy for doing this .. :-) ),but I want to talk about something I am wondering for quite a long time.
My problem is that even a small amount of physical exercise intensifies depression and causes mild akathisia (I would say that akathisia like symptoms (restnessness) are a typical aymptom of my depression. I am not really agitated, just restles...)
I bet exercise triggers release of cortisol and produces this.I get depressed when I take Ritalin. It also causes the release of cortisol.
If I drink alcohol, even a little amount, produces the same effect as ecercise or ritalin. Alcohol in gerneal, as far as I know, also releases cortisol (http://www.jrussellshealth.com/alc_cortisol.html#alcohol)
This happens if I dring regular (central european) beerm which is clear (the yeast gets filtered out) and mostly made of barley. (its rice in the us. is it?).
BUT, if I drink wheat-beer (litterally translated ist called White-beer, which is typically for bavaria for eample) which also contains different yeast (and the beer gets brewed at higher temeratures compared to lager for example.) and the yeast isnt filtered and the beer further ferments inside the ready filled bottle. The beer is (dont know the word for sure, buut I gues:) dull from the yeast.
This kind of bear actually makes me feel better and I just dont get worse (except the next day, but thats another story I guess). But hey, yeast is rich of B vitamins, and B vitamins can help to lower cortisol, right? Maybe the yeast is thinng that makes the difference. I wondered if the wheat and the barley makes the difference. Maybe allergy to barley? I dunno.What do you think? Am I right about the cortisol "connection"? the only bothering thing is that free plasma cortisol is within normal range (but measurement was about 5 years ago). But maybe this is not representable for what is going on inside my brain, right?
Maybe you could help me or give me new ideas, impulses to find out whats my core problem.
also from the link above:
"Chronic stress causes an over-production of a hormone called cortisol, which has a profound negative effect on the brain. It contributes to the death of brain cells, interferes with the functioning of neurotransmitters, and starves the brain of its only source of fuel, glucose."
And drugs which rise brain glucose utilization (nicergoline) and attenuate HPA axis activation (pentoxifylline) just help..
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14566072)anyway. long post for me :)
any thought are WELCOMEthanks
Roland
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 27, 2005, at 7:57:08
In reply to Alcohol, beer, wheat-beer, B vits, Cortisol, yeast, posted by rod on March 26, 2005, at 16:13:49
> BUT, if I drink wheat-beer (litterally translated ist called White-beer, which is typically for bavaria for eample) which also contains different yeast (and the beer gets brewed at higher temeratures compared to lager for example.) and the yeast isnt filtered and the beer further ferments inside the ready filled bottle. The beer is (dont know the word for sure, buut I gues:) dull from the yeast.
> This kind of bear actually makes me feel better and I just dont get worse (except the next day, but thats another story I guess). But hey, yeast is rich of B vitamins, and B vitamins can help to lower cortisol, right? Maybe the yeast is thinng that makes the difference. I wondered if the wheat and the barley makes the difference. Maybe allergy to barley? I dunno.So, you're getting some brewer's yeast, along with the beer. Maybe it's something other than the B-vitamins in the yeast? No need to close your mind to that. You can get brewer's yeast in health food stores. It's yucky tasting. Torula yeast is better flavour, and there are others, too.
Maybe it's the B's. Have you tried taking B complex?
> What do you think? Am I right about the cortisol "connection"? the only bothering thing is that free plasma cortisol is within normal range (but measurement was about 5 years ago). But maybe this is not representable for what is going on inside my brain, right?
Cortisol levels can be reduced by taking ginkgo biloba. I recall a fairly recent thread on excess cortisol. You should be able to find it in the archives.
Lar
Posted by rod on March 31, 2005, at 16:25:41
In reply to Re: Alcohol, beer, wheat-beer, B vits, Cortisol, yeast » rod, posted by Larry Hoover on March 27, 2005, at 7:57:08
> > BUT, if I drink wheat-beer (litterally translated ist called White-beer, which is typically for bavaria for eample) which also contains different yeast (and the beer gets brewed at higher temeratures compared to lager for example.) and the yeast isnt filtered and the beer further ferments inside the ready filled bottle. The beer is (dont know the word for sure, buut I gues:) dull from the yeast.
> > This kind of bear actually makes me feel better and I just dont get worse (except the next day, but thats another story I guess). But hey, yeast is rich of B vitamins, and B vitamins can help to lower cortisol, right? Maybe the yeast is thinng that makes the difference. I wondered if the wheat and the barley makes the difference. Maybe allergy to barley? I dunno.
>
> So, you're getting some brewer's yeast, along with the beer. Maybe it's something other than the B-vitamins in the yeast? No need to close your mind to that. You can get brewer's yeast in health food stores. It's yucky tasting. Torula yeast is better flavour, and there are others, too.
>will try to obtain some brewers yeast and see.
Unfortunately I could not find any list of substances contained in wheat bear. Just the regular one. So i cant really compare... :(> Maybe it's the B's. Have you tried taking B complex?
Well, problem Nr. 1 is i live in the EU, where I can only obtain B compexes with very little concentration in shops, and there are only few "B comlexes" available on prescription. :( Thats a thing I hate about europe..
I tried popping a tab recently and it seems to have a beneficial effect again. I used to take it for some months, but somehow I started to suffer from some kind of stupor and found out it improved after I stopped taking the B vits..
I used to take 100mg B1, 200mg B6 and 200 microgramm B12. 3 times a day. Its called "Neurobion forte" and its the strongest stuff I can get here.
What do you think larry? Is this a balanced formulation of B vits? Could it be it has "depleted" some other B vits on the long term ?> > What do you think? Am I right about the cortisol "connection"? the only bothering thing is that free plasma cortisol is within normal range (but measurement was about 5 years ago). But maybe this is not representable for what is going on inside my brain, right?
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> Cortisol levels can be reduced by taking ginkgo biloba. I recall a fairly recent thread on excess cortisol. You should be able to find it in the archives.Unfortunatley I have quite a paradox reaction to ginkgo. It makes me numb and dumb :( I used the standardised extract (which is used in most studies. dont recall name)
> Lar
thank you for spending some of your time to answer.. :-)Roland
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 9, 2005, at 16:05:22
In reply to Re: Alcohol, beer, wheat-beer, B vits, Cortisol, y, posted by rod on March 31, 2005, at 16:25:41
> I used to take 100mg B1, 200mg B6 and 200 microgramm B12. 3 times a day. Its called "Neurobion forte" and its the strongest stuff I can get here.
> What do you think larry? Is this a balanced formulation of B vits? Could it be it has "depleted" some other B vits on the long term ?It is very definitely not balanced. No riboflavin. No niacin. No folate.
> Unfortunatley I have quite a paradox reaction to ginkgo. It makes me numb and dumb :( I used the standardised extract (which is used in most studies. dont recall name)
Unfortunately, some people are more sensitive to one particular function of ginkgo....it inhibits neurohormone production. Sex hormones are neurotransmitters in the brain (we see the complexity of the brain increasing all the time, eh?), and ginkgo shifts the balance of male/female hormone levels. Maybe you went blonde?
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> thank you for spending some of your time to answer.. :-)
>
> RolandYou're welcome. If you're patient, I'll always answer. Sometimes I'm rather erratic on reading this board.
Lar
Posted by sregan on September 15, 2006, at 15:34:21
In reply to Re: Alcohol, beer, wheat-beer, B vits, Cortisol, y » rod, posted by Larry Hoover on April 9, 2005, at 16:05:22
> Unfortunately, some people are more sensitive to one particular function of ginkgo....it inhibits neurohormone production. Sex hormones are neurotransmitters in the brain (we see the complexity of the brain increasing all the time, eh?), and ginkgo shifts the balance of male/female hormone levels. Maybe you went blonde?
Larry,
Are you ONLY referring to testosterone/estrogen here? I just started taking Ginkgo and finding it handles my excess cortisol. Do you recommend this supplement? If so any dosing advice to makimize effect and minimize side effects?
Thanks,
Shawn
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