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Posted by linkadge on February 6, 2005, at 16:27:12
Does anybody know ??
Linkadge
Posted by KaraS on February 6, 2005, at 17:35:01
In reply to Is NADH available in Canada ??, posted by linkadge on February 6, 2005, at 16:27:12
I'm not sure but Jujube (Tamara) manages to get it. I think she may order it though. You should ask her (babblemail her) if she doesn't see your post.
Posted by jasmineneroli on February 6, 2005, at 18:36:30
In reply to Re: Is NADH available in Canada ?? » linkadge, posted by KaraS on February 6, 2005, at 17:35:01
Yes it is, I got it from my local healthfood store (I'm in BC). It was on the shelves. I think even Swiss Herbal, makes it, and they're a pretty "generic" kinda supplement company.
That was last summer, presumably things haven't changed, as far as regulations etc.Jas
Posted by jasmineneroli on February 6, 2005, at 19:02:17
In reply to Is NADH available in Canada ??, posted by linkadge on February 6, 2005, at 16:27:12
Link:
Follow-up to my last post. You could try contacting Swiss Herbal at 1-800-268-9879. If you are in Ontario, call 905-886-9500. Their marketing Dept. email is marketing@swissherbal.ca
Jas
Posted by Larry Hoover on February 7, 2005, at 8:01:08
In reply to Is NADH available in Canada ??, posted by linkadge on February 6, 2005, at 16:27:12
> Does anybody know ??
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> LinkadgeThe stuff that works is the patented formula called Enada. There are many different American companies that market Enada NADH under their own labels, under license. I don't know of a Canadian company. I buy mine on the 'net, from either of iherb or Hilife. I use the Source Naturals version, but it should all be the same stuff if it says Enada in the product description.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on February 7, 2005, at 8:02:41
In reply to Re: Is NADH available in Canada ??, posted by jasmineneroli on February 6, 2005, at 18:36:30
> Yes it is, I got it from my local healthfood store (I'm in BC). It was on the shelves. I think even Swiss Herbal, makes it, and they're a pretty "generic" kinda supplement company.
> That was last summer, presumably things haven't changed, as far as regulations etc.
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> JasThe Swiss Herbal product isn't enteric coated, is it? I'm pretty sure it's not, and stomach acid destroys NADH.
Enada NADH is enteric coated (or sublingual version, which doesn't need to be coated).
Lar
Posted by jujube on February 7, 2005, at 17:03:32
In reply to Is NADH available in Canada ??, posted by linkadge on February 6, 2005, at 16:27:12
This Canadian on-line health and natural supplement store http://www.ottway.com/. I have never ordered from them, but they do carry NADH. It is a bit pricey though considering the strength of the Canadian dollar right now. I have ordered NADH from the following: http://www.prohealthnetwork.com/index.htm The products are reasonably priced and delivery was pretty quick. In my estimation, even with the exchange rate and delivery charges, it ends up being cheaper than ordering from ottway.com.
Another Canadian source I have found for supplements is "Healthy by Choice" at 1-866-778-1804. They are in Newmarket, Ontario, and they have been quite remarkable at getting supplements that I have not been able to get in Canada (DMAE, Acetyl L-Carnitine). I haven't ordered NADH from them, but they do have it. It is $32.95, plus express post delivery (almost next day delivery). Nice thing about them is that if don't have it, or haven't heard of it, they will see if they can get it.
Posted by jasmineneroli on February 8, 2005, at 0:41:14
In reply to Re: Is NADH available in Canada ?? » jasmineneroli, posted by Larry Hoover on February 7, 2005, at 8:02:41
Hi Lar: I believe it was enteric coated, but I actually gave them to my daughter, so I can't check for myself.
I did a search to see if Swiss Herbal mentions that, but only found the following. Since it refers to a change to NAD rather than NADH, I thought you might be interested:"Ingredients: NAD (Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide) 2.5mg
Dosage: Take one or two tablets daily or as directed by a physician
Swiss recently changed the bottle to read NAD instead of NADH. NAD, known as Coenzyme 1, plays an important role in energy production. Swiss felt that NADH was less stable as a supplement than NAD. The following information is provided to explain the difference between NAD & NADH:
NADH is the abbreviation used for Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide, one of the most important coenzymes in the human brain and body. A coenzyme is the active, or working form of a vitamin. NADH is the reduced (electron- energy rich) coenzyme form of vitamin B3, while NAD is the oxidized (burned) coenzyme form of B3.
NAD and NADH are converted into each other in numerous different metabolic activities. In some metabolic reactions it is NAD which is the needed catalyst, with NADH a useful by-product, in other reactions the situation is reversed.
NAD and NADH also serve to activate various enzymes, NAD for example, activates alcohol dehydrogenase and acetaldehyde dehydrogenase that are the two enzymes needed to detoxify the alcohol we drink into carbon dioxide and water.
NADH is the first of five enzyme complexes of the electron transport chain, where much of the ATP bioenergy that runs every biological process of our lives is formed.
NADH its vital chemical role:
As already noted, NAD(H) is the coenzyme or active form of vitamin B3. The chemistry of NAD(H) is some of the most complex in the human body. NAD(H) is necessary to oxidize (burn) all foodstuffs (fats, sugars, amino-acids) into ATP bioenergy. There are three interlinked energy production cycles: the glycolytic (sugar burning) and Krebs' citric acid cycles (aminos and fats are "burned" through the Krebs' cycle), and the electron transport side chain (ETSC).A glycolytic cycle "waste" end product- pyruvic acid- helps power the Krebs' cycle, while electron "sparks" released from the step by step slow "burning" that occurs in the Krebs' cycle provide the fuel used by the ETSC to generate much of the ATP bioenergy that literally powers our life. NAD(H) is involved in all of these different cycles, as well as in the conversion of the pyruvate end product of the glycolytic cycle into the beginning fuel of the Krebs' citric acid cycle. It is NADH, which captures the electron "sparks" thrown off during Krebs' cycle oxidation and shuttles them to the ETSC energy production cycle.
Each unit of NADH is capable of generating three units of ATP energy. In a very real sense, NADH is the "energy of life" coenzyme.
NAD, known biologically as coenzyme 1, is found in every cell in the human body, where it plays an important role in energy production in the cells. Cells require energy in order to perform their cellular processes efficiently. In every cell, glucose and oxygen are converted into energy, known as ATP. NAD is the 'spark' which drives this process, known as cellular respiration. A total of 10 NAD is required for this process. Any deficiency in NAD molecules reduces the cellular energy output significantly.
Where is NAD's Function Particularly Important in the Body?
Energy is constantly driving every cell in the human body. NAD's involvement in the brain, central nervous system and muscles, where it not only aids in producing cellular energy, but also stimulates production of the neurotransmitters, Dopamine, Noradrenaline and Serotonin. NAD is also involved in the body's immune system, where it functions as a powerful anti-oxidant and plays an important role in DNA and cellular repair and maintenance.
What Benefits may be Achieved by Supplementing with NAD?
NAD is an excellent dietary supplement for individuals whose lifestyles require more energy, vitality and improved mental alertness.
NAD's ability to improve overall cellular energy and elevate mental clarity, alertness and concentration initiated interest in current clinical studies relating to Depression, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), Alzheimer's Disease, Parkinson's Disease and Athletic Endurance.
A clinical study presented by Forsyth et al, at the 1998 meeting of the American College of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology reported the results of NAD tested in a double-blind, placebo controlled study of patients with CFS. The results indicated significant improvement (ie. 73% over long term) in clinical symptoms and energy levels of CFS patients taking NADH.
Overall, NAD is a biological co-enzyme which increases energy production on the cellular level. It has been clearly established in many studies that NAD supplementation increases overall energy and vitality, and may be useful in the treatment of many disorders."
The bottle I bought definitely had NADH on it. Not NAD. Would NAD be inferior, or different in it's actions, since it's been oxidized, coenzyme form?. I had actually used Enada brand ordered online, before I found the Swiss Herbal version, locally (as NADH) in a healthfood store and purchased it for my daughter (last year).
I've emailed the company for more info.
Regards, Jas
Posted by Larry Hoover on February 14, 2005, at 11:25:24
In reply to Re: Is NADH available in Canada ?? » Larry Hoover, posted by jasmineneroli on February 8, 2005, at 0:41:14
> Hi Lar: I believe it was enteric coated, but I actually gave them to my daughter, so I can't check for myself.
> I did a search to see if Swiss Herbal mentions that, but only found the following. Since it refers to a change to NAD rather than NADH, I thought you might be interested:
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> "Ingredients: NAD (Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide) 2.5mgI think Swiss got caught poaching on another company's patented territory, that's what I think.
> A clinical study presented by Forsyth et al, at the 1998 meeting of the American College of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology reported the results of NAD tested in a double-blind, placebo controlled study of patients with CFS.The clinical study being referenced involved Enada-brand NADH. Interesting that Swiss twisted this around to support their own product (which I believe may be inferior, and which certainly *is* inferior if it is not enteric-coated).
> The bottle I bought definitely had NADH on it. Not NAD. Would NAD be inferior, or different in it's actions, since it's been oxidized, coenzyme form?.Sometimes, it is better to go with the more expensive, patented product. It is my opinion this is one such case.
> I had actually used Enada brand ordered online, before I found the Swiss Herbal version, locally (as NADH) in a healthfood store and purchased it for my daughter (last year).
What was your daughter's response?
> I've emailed the company for more info.
> Regards, JasDon't be too surprised if you get more "press release" type information.
Lar
Posted by jasmineneroli on February 15, 2005, at 23:56:53
In reply to Re: Is NADH available in Canada ?? » jasmineneroli, posted by Larry Hoover on February 14, 2005, at 11:25:24
> I think Swiss got caught poaching on another company's patented territory, that's what I think.** Haha...hmmmmm, interesting.
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> What was your daughter's response?*** Her response was "these are too big to swallow" !!! So not used (she has a problem swallowing vits and pills).
> > I've emailed the company for more info.
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> Don't be too surprised if you get more "press release" type information.** I actually heard NOTHING at all! But I know they read my email, because I received an automatic acknowledgement email.
Would seem there are no reputable Canadian brands. Probably "a stick to a product you know" situation.
Thanks for the feedback, Lar.
Regards,
Jas
Posted by Maxime on February 19, 2005, at 15:15:44
In reply to Is NADH available in Canada ??, posted by linkadge on February 6, 2005, at 16:27:12
Not in Montreal ... believe me, I have tried everywhere. I imagine not in Waterloo! Guess I will try Larry's suggestion ...
Maxime
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Posted by TamaraJ on February 19, 2005, at 18:15:27
In reply to Re: Is NADH available in Canada ??, posted by Maxime on February 19, 2005, at 15:15:44
Maxime,
FYI - I order from "Healthy by Choice" (1-866-778-1804) sometimes. They are in Newmarket, Ontario. I haven't as yet ordered NADH from them, but they told me they do carry it. Last time I was ordering supplements from them, they told me the NADH was $32.95, plus express post delivery (I think it was $6, and it was almost next day delivery). I have, in the past, ordered DMAE and Acetyl L-Carnitine (not available in stores in Canada) from them.
Tamara
> Not in Montreal ... believe me, I have tried everywhere. I imagine not in Waterloo! Guess I will try Larry's suggestion ...
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