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Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 11:26:52
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 7:16:21
Also, you're not taking NADH now are you? It ended up making you too irritable right? So are you now taking the inhaled steroids etc.?
Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 11:32:39
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by jujube on December 10, 2004, at 9:52:01
> I haven't tried the Colloidal Silver for my sinuses yet. I found a natural nasal spray that I am using now (along with steaming my face), and it seems to be helping. If the spray poops out on me, I will consider trying the Colloidal Silver. I am sure, however, that my sinuses would clear up even more if I quit smoking. That is the next addiction I have to overcome, hopefully in the next couple of months.
I'll have to look up the info I found on Colloidal Silver and post a link or two so you can see what you think.
Yes, I'm sure that quitting smoking would help a lot of things. (Easier said than done however.)
>
> You are probably right about the Sudafed being dangerous for those with hyperthyroid due to the pseudoephedrine. In an old natural medicine book I have, I read that ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are two important alkaloids of the herb Ma Huang. Ma Huang has been used for 1000s of years to treat asthma, flu and even arthritis. So, I would suspect that Sudafed, which is essentially pseudoephedrine, could be useful for your asthma condition since both ephedrine and pseudoephedrine clear up mucous and open clogged breathing passages as well as stimulate the central nervous system. Perhaps you could try to find Ma Huang tincture and try that instead of the Sudafed. The only reason I stay away from Sudafed these days is because I, as strange as it sounds, abused it for a number of years. I used it everyday, three or four times a day. I had bad sinuses, but it also gave me extra energy.Doesn't it poop-out after regular use and cause rebound symptoms? I would think that Ma Huang would be exactly the same way.
> I saw the post about the guy that was using Vitex. At first I, too, thought that it must be a prescription med. Then I re-read his post and he mentioned that the Vitex he was using was herbal and he got it at a natural supplement store. So, it must be the same stuff. I saw the conflicting info about it working on estrogen and in another place it said it worked on progesterone. Then I read that it works on the pituatary gland and suppresses the secretion of prolactin. I found a lot of good info by Ray Sahelian, with results of studies and everything. Here's the website if you are interested in having a look:
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> http://raysahelian.com/chasteberry.html
>
> I will let you know how I do on it. It's too soon to tell right now since it's only been a few days. I had read somewhere, however, that some women notice a difference in 10 days, with ultimate results being obtained after about three months. Something else I read that might interest you is that one of the symptoms of estrogen dominance is asthma. You probably already knew that however. But I was surprised. It might explain the wheezing I experience during my PMS.Thanks. Actually I didn't know about estrogen dominance causing asthma. I doubt that would be my problem since I'm menopausal.
> Anyways, I hope you find a natural remedy for your asthma problem. Get steaming, and try to sleep with a vaporizing going. It really helps me.
>
> Take care, and talk to you soon.
>
> TamaraThanks,
K
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 12:07:06
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 11:24:34
> Larry,
>
> > Kara, selegiline exacerbates my own asthma, so maybe there's a link to that drug.
>
> This problem started before the selegiline. I had read in one of your posts that selegiline exacerbated your asthma so I was reticent to try the selegiline. I was taking only a small amount of it (2.5 mg.) most days so I'm not sure how much, if any, affect it had on the problem.I just use my puffers a little bit. Not a biggie, but I tend not to need them in the winter.
> I last took 2.5 mg of it on Sunday. Is it safe to assume that it will be completely out of my system by now or in a week's time? I don't want to take anything now that might interact with it esp. ephedrine or an MAOI.
Long gone.
> > There are three supplements that I know can have a direct effect on asthma, and those are magnesium, niacinamide, and NADH.
> >
> > Low magnesium will make bronchospasm more likely, and persistent. Low magnesium also increases histamine release.
>
> I increased my magnesium last night to 500 mg. of the citrate version. That should be enough, no?You could go higher, but that should be lots.
> > Niacinamide directly antagonizes histamine release from mast cell degranulation, so I think this could also be a symptomatic treatment.
>
> I also remember you saying that niacinamide does this from previous posts so fortunately I ordered it a little while back and received it yesterday. I will start on it today. It should also calm my panic down (hopefully). (500 mg., 4x a day right? - along with a B-complex?)That's the maximum dose I would recommend. Yes, best to make sure that any day you're using niacinamide, you also take B-complex, just to try and anticipate any imbalances.
> > It was pure coincidence, potentially, but during my trial of NADH in '03, I had virtually no symptoms of either inhalant allergies or asthma. That was totally unprecedented in more than thirty years of suffereing therefrom. See: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030802/msgs/247722.html
>
> That is amazing! Was that on 10 mg. of ENADA sublingually? (or did less suffice?) How long does it take to see the benefits from this and/or the B3 treatment?The niacinamide is within twenty minutes.
The NADH was certainly on lesser doses than that. I think later in the trial I was only taking 5 mg 2 or 3 times a week, and that was the oral form.
I have no clue why I'm not taking some right now, considering the asthma thing. Back in a sec.
Ok. Where were we?
> If that isn't enough for me, I am wondering about the various medications that a doctor might give me. Taking steroids scares me. Dr. Weil said that Aerobid Inhaler is the best of the steroid inhalers because it has the least amount of systemic involvement. That could be old information by now though.I know the one I use has systemic effects. C'est le vie. Breathing is a priority.
I never really gave it much thought, but I bet that I should.
Do you see why I like getting into these discussions? I need the proper stimuli to even manage my own self-care. You have no idea how absent-minded I can be.
> I wish I knew how much of this is asthma/allergy related and how much is anxiety/panic. I guess I really need to see a good doctor. No easy feat without health insurance.http://www.marryacanadian.com/
> Lastly,
>
> > I hope you feel better soon.
> >
> > Lar
> >
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> KYou're welcome, hun.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 12:08:18
In reply to Re: Please help me with asthma and panic - also » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 11:26:52
> Also, you're not taking NADH now are you? It ended up making you too irritable right? So are you now taking the inhaled steroids etc.?
I honestly don't know why I stopped using it, but irritability/insomnia was part of the picture, I'm sure. Anything that seems to help me somatically ends up making those issues worse, or so it would seem.
I just took 5 mg.
Lar
Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 12:17:15
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by verne on December 9, 2004, at 23:13:42
> Kara,
>
> Have you tried a negative ion machine? Seems like they are getting bad press lately (not sure why) but whenever I use mine I sleep better. I have a niece with asthma who uses one and seems to benefit.
>
> I know that when I travel by air, I feel awful later and my throat is often sore or scratchy. Airplane air has zero negative ions.
>
> A water fountain is a natural way to create negative ions. Indoor models are becoming more affordable all the time.
>
> Hope you get to the bottom of your problem and feel better soon.
>
> verne
Thanks, VerneI haven't tried a negative ion machine though I'd like to for many reasons. They're supposed to be good for depression also. I just can't afford one now.
Take care. Hope you're doing ok.
Kara
Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 14:40:33
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 12:07:06
> The niacinamide is within twenty minutes.
Do you take that now as well or only periodically? Obviously it isn't enough for you or you wouldn't need your puffer, no?
>
> The NADH was certainly on lesser doses than that. I think later in the trial I was only taking 5 mg 2 or 3 times a week, and that was the oral form.
>
> I have no clue why I'm not taking some right now, considering the asthma thing. Back in a sec.
>
> Ok. Where were we?
>
> > If that isn't enough for me, I am wondering about the various medications that a doctor might give me. Taking steroids scares me. Dr. Weil said that Aerobid Inhaler is the best of the steroid inhalers because it has the least amount of systemic involvement. That could be old information by now though.
>
> I know the one I use has systemic effects. C'est le vie. Breathing is a priority.
>
> I never really gave it much thought, but I bet that I should.
>
> Do you see why I like getting into these discussions? I need the proper stimuli to even manage my own self-care. You have no idea how absent-minded I can be.Definitely the absent-minded professor. You're too funny!
> > I wish I knew how much of this is asthma/allergy related and how much is anxiety/panic. I guess I really need to see a good doctor. No easy feat without health insurance.
>
> http://www.marryacanadian.com/:-)
> > Lastly,
> >
> > > I hope you feel better soon.
> > >
> > > Lar
> > >
> >
> > Thanks so much.
> >
> > K
>
> You're welcome, hun.
>
> Lar
Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 15:19:57
In reply to Re: Also re: asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by GeishaGirl on December 10, 2004, at 1:35:54
> Hi Kara,
>
> Sorry, I forgot about this one when I mentioned asthma stuff before. Someone mentioned mullein. I know someone who has a case of asthma worse than mine. She actually told me that she found that *smoking* mullein was more effective than drinking it as a tea. Seems odd, but true. I tried it a couple of times, and it really does work well. She says that there are others who smoke it, as well.
>
> Take care,
>
> Geisha Girl
Hi,I've read about using the tea and the oil for asthma but never heard of smoking it. Sounds hardcore! :-)
Thanks,
K
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 16:39:11
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 14:40:33
> > The niacinamide is within twenty minutes.
>
> Do you take that now as well or only periodically? Obviously it isn't enough for you or you wouldn't need your puffer, no?I need an assistant.
> > Do you see why I like getting into these discussions? I need the proper stimuli to even manage my own self-care. You have no idea how absent-minded I can be.
>
> Definitely the absent-minded professor. You're too funny!You only hear about the difficulties I tell you about. You have no idea.
> > > I wish I knew how much of this is asthma/allergy related and how much is anxiety/panic. I guess I really need to see a good doctor. No easy feat without health insurance.
> >
> > http://www.marryacanadian.com/
>
> :-)Seriously, after three months residency, free health care. Marriage optional.
Lar
Posted by tealady on December 10, 2004, at 17:38:51
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 16:39:11
No easy feat without health insurance.
> > >
> > > http://www.marryacanadian.com/
> >
> > :-)
>
> Seriously, after three months residency, free health care. Marriage optional.
>
> Lar"In addition, I promise to help my new Yankee spouse to adapt to life in the great white north, keeping them safe from (gratuitous) invasion of privacy, and to provide him/her with a reasonable supply of Timbits."
OK..you explained the great white north b4, now what are Timbits!
Jan
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 20:49:37
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » Larry Hoover, posted by tealady on December 10, 2004, at 17:38:51
> No easy feat without health insurance.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.marryacanadian.com/
> > >
> > > :-)
> >
> > Seriously, after three months residency, free health care. Marriage optional.
> >
> > Lar
>
> "In addition, I promise to help my new Yankee spouse to adapt to life in the great white north, keeping them safe from (gratuitous) invasion of privacy, and to provide him/her with a reasonable supply of Timbits."
>
> OK..you explained the great white north b4, now what are Timbits!
> JanWas that on that website? Cute!
We have a donuts and coffee franchise operation called Tim Horton's (after a hockey player). They started marketing bite-sized donut pieces, round bits like the part they cut out of the center of a donut, as Timbits. Great in the car.
Lar
Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 23:20:41
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 16:39:11
> > > The niacinamide is within twenty minutes.
> >
> > Do you take that now as well or only periodically? Obviously it isn't enough for you or you wouldn't need your puffer, no?
>
> I need an assistant.
>
> > > Do you see why I like getting into these discussions? I need the proper stimuli to even manage my own self-care. You have no idea how absent-minded I can be.
> >
> > Definitely the absent-minded professor. You're too funny!
>
> You only hear about the difficulties I tell you about. You have no idea.
>
> > > > I wish I knew how much of this is asthma/allergy related and how much is anxiety/panic. I guess I really need to see a good doctor. No easy feat without health insurance.
> > >
> > > http://www.marryacanadian.com/
> >
> > :-)
>
> Seriously, after three months residency, free health care. Marriage optional.
>
> Lar
And I wouldn't have to feel embarrassed by our foreign policy ... think I'll pack my bags!
Posted by KaraS on December 10, 2004, at 23:23:02
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » Larry Hoover, posted by tealady on December 10, 2004, at 17:38:51
Posted by KaraS on December 12, 2004, at 1:31:01
In reply to Re: URGENT! Please help me with asthma and panic » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 16:39:11
> > > The niacinamide is within twenty minutes.
I only took 250 mg. and it really calmed me down while making it easier to breathe. It really took away the panic. It was amazing. I definitely won't need any benzos now. Are there any contraindications or drug interactions with this that you know of?
The only downside is that it made me tired. This would be an incredible sleeping pill for me too. I can't tolerate Benadryl but there would be no need to with B3 on hand. I wonder if I drank coffee with it or took a sudafed if that would allow me to feel more awake while also serving as bronchodilators.
Also, I've read that long-term antihistamine use can cause or worsen depression. I wonder if that would apply to long-term B3 intake?
Thanks so much for suggesting this to me!
K
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 12, 2004, at 10:34:10
In reply to Re: WOW! Niacinamide really works! » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on December 12, 2004, at 1:31:01
> > > > The niacinamide is within twenty minutes.
>
> I only took 250 mg. and it really calmed me down while making it easier to breathe. It really took away the panic. It was amazing. I definitely won't need any benzos now.<grinnage>
> Are there any contraindications or drug interactions with this that you know of?
Nope. Toxic effects have never been reported, to my knowledge, at doses less than 3000 mg/day.
> The only downside is that it made me tired.
It does that to me, too. I know I ought to listen to myself more often.....NADH and niacinamide make a nice combination. As do NADH and TMG (trimethylglycine).
> This would be an incredible sleeping pill for me too. I can't tolerate Benadryl but there would be no need to with B3 on hand. I wonder if I drank coffee with it or took a sudafed if that would allow me to feel more awake while also serving as bronchodilators.
Sounds like you have some experiments to do.
> Also, I've read that long-term antihistamine use can cause or worsen depression. I wonder if that would apply to long-term B3 intake?
I wouldn't worry about it. If you keep your approach to self-treatment intuitive and symptom-driven, I think you just learn how to deal.
> Thanks so much for suggesting this to me!
>
> KYou're very welcome. And thanks for affirming that my advice is sometimes helpful.
Lar
Posted by KaraS on December 12, 2004, at 14:21:53
In reply to Re: WOW! Niacinamide really works! » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 12, 2004, at 10:34:10
> > > > > The niacinamide is within twenty minutes.
> >
> > I only took 250 mg. and it really calmed me down while making it easier to breathe. It really took away the panic. It was amazing. I definitely won't need any benzos now.
>
> <grinnage>
>
> > Are there any contraindications or drug interactions with this that you know of?
>
> Nope. Toxic effects have never been reported, to my knowledge, at doses less than 3000 mg/day.
>
I wonder if it would be a problem to take this with an MAOI or close in time to an MAOI. Some antihistamines can't be taken with them, can they? ... or is it just the decongestants?> > The only downside is that it made me tired.
>
> It does that to me, too. I know I ought to listen to myself more often.....NADH and niacinamide make a nice combination. As do NADH and TMG (trimethylglycine).So the NADH counters the tiredness you feel from the niacinamide? I tried NADH but it didn't give me any energy or stimulation. (That darn malfunctioning dopamine system of mine - notice I didn't say hypersensitive autoreceptors?) :-)
> > This would be an incredible sleeping pill for me too. I can't tolerate Benadryl but there would be no need to with B3 on hand. I wonder if I drank coffee with it or took a sudafed if that would allow me to feel more awake while also serving as bronchodilators.
>
> Sounds like you have some experiments to do.Definitely, now that i know that it's safe to do.
> > Also, I've read that long-term antihistamine use can cause or worsen depression. I wonder if that would apply to long-term B3 intake?
>
> I wouldn't worry about it. If you keep your approach to self-treatment intuitive and symptom-driven, I think you just learn how to deal.Ok, I'll buy that.
>
> > Thanks so much for suggesting this to me!
> >
> > K
>
> You're very welcome. And thanks for affirming that my advice is sometimes helpful.
>
> Lar
Well, we don't call you "Hoover, Larry Hoover" for nothing!K
Posted by jujube on December 12, 2004, at 15:04:11
In reply to Re: WOW! Niacinamide really works! » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 12, 2004, at 10:34:10
And thanks for affirming that my advice is sometimes helpful.
>
> Lar- Your advice has certainly always been helpful to me (and, by extension, my family). I now have my anxious, worry-wart mother taking niacinimide (500 mg at day), and she has noticed that she is feeling calmer.
So, gros merci milles fois!
Tamara
Posted by TheOutsider on December 13, 2004, at 16:59:16
In reply to Re: WOW! Niacinamide really works! - for Larry, posted by jujube on December 12, 2004, at 15:04:11
What brand of Niacinamide are you using?
I find brand is often half the battle with supplements!
Posted by KaraS on December 14, 2004, at 21:26:45
In reply to Re: WOW! Niacinamide really works! » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 12, 2004, at 10:34:10
My friend too 400 mg. of this last night for sleep and she said it helped immensely. As this as good as niacinamide? Are there any problems with taking it every night?
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 18, 2004, at 10:36:40
In reply to Re: WOW! Niacinamide really works! » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on December 12, 2004, at 14:21:53
> > > Are there any contraindications or drug interactions with this that you know of?
> >
> > Nope. Toxic effects have never been reported, to my knowledge, at doses less than 3000 mg/day.
> >
>
>
> I wonder if it would be a problem to take this with an MAOI or close in time to an MAOI. Some antihistamines can't be taken with them, can they? ... or is it just the decongestants?Different rationale. It's the nonspecific activity of the older antihistamine/decongestants that's the problem.
>
> > > The only downside is that it made me tired.
> >
> > It does that to me, too. I know I ought to listen to myself more often.....NADH and niacinamide make a nice combination. As do NADH and TMG (trimethylglycine).
>
> So the NADH counters the tiredness you feel from the niacinamide? I tried NADH but it didn't give me any energy or stimulation. (That darn malfunctioning dopamine system of mine - notice I didn't say hypersensitive autoreceptors?) :-)They seemed to work well together, in this particular body.
> Well, we don't call you "Hoover, Larry Hoover" for nothing!
>
> KFunny, I thought that was speech impediment, and I didn't want to draw attention to it.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 18, 2004, at 10:37:55
In reply to Re: WOW! Niacinamide really works! - for Larry, posted by jujube on December 12, 2004, at 15:04:11
> And thanks for affirming that my advice is sometimes helpful.
> >
> > Lar
>
> - Your advice has certainly always been helpful to me (and, by extension, my family). I now have my anxious, worry-wart mother taking niacinimide (500 mg at day), and she has noticed that she is feeling calmer.
>
> So, gros merci milles fois!
>
> TamaraI'm very glad. There is a special kind of empowerment that comes from taking control of what you consume.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 18, 2004, at 10:40:27
In reply to Re: flush-free niacin (as inositol hexanicotinate) » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on December 14, 2004, at 21:26:45
> My friend too 400 mg. of this last night for sleep and she said it helped immensely. As this as good as niacinamide? Are there any problems with taking it every night?
As far as I know, there is virtually zero risk from this. This formulation avoids the niacin flush because the ester bonds between the nicotinic acid and the inositol are rather slowly broken. This permits the formation of niacinamide from the niacin, like a sustained release niacinamide tablet might.
Lar
Posted by KaraS on December 18, 2004, at 17:05:22
In reply to Re: WOW! Niacinamide really works! » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 18, 2004, at 10:36:40
> > I wonder if it would be a problem to take this with an MAOI or close in time to an MAOI. Some antihistamines can't be taken with them, can they? ... or is it just the decongestants?
> Different rationale. It's the nonspecific activity of the older antihistamine/decongestants that's the problem.
The niacinamide is very specific then, and perfectly safe to combine? (I just want to make sure I understand completely in this case.)
> > Well, we don't call you "Hoover, Larry Hoover" for nothing!
> >
> > K
>
> Funny, I thought that was speech impediment, and I didn't want to draw attention to it.:-)
K
Posted by PeterJ on December 22, 2004, at 0:01:27
In reply to Re: WOW! Niacinamide really works! » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on December 12, 2004, at 1:31:01
> I only took 250 mg. and it really calmed me down while making it easier to breathe. It really took away the panic. It was amazing. I definitely won't need any benzos now. Are there any contraindications or drug interactions with this that you know of?
I haven't noticed it mentioned, but niacinamide binds to the benzodiazepine receptor, so it is a bit like taking a low potency natural benzodiazepine. I have found it a good anxiolytic in the past. The only drawback I found is that tolerance may develop. But I don't recall any withdrawal effects.
There is some theoretical concern because niacinamide can acclerate aging in some lower animals, but this is only shown in worms and such, and there is no evidence this occurs in humans.
All in all, it's probably better than a benzo if it works for you.
PeterJ
Posted by KaraS on December 22, 2004, at 23:32:53
In reply to Re: WOW! Niacinamide really works!, posted by PeterJ on December 22, 2004, at 0:01:27
> > I only took 250 mg. and it really calmed me down while making it easier to breathe. It really took away the panic. It was amazing. I definitely won't need any benzos now. Are there any contraindications or drug interactions with this that you know of?
>
> I haven't noticed it mentioned, but niacinamide binds to the benzodiazepine receptor, so it is a bit like taking a low potency natural benzodiazepine. I have found it a good anxiolytic in the past. The only drawback I found is that tolerance may develop. But I don't recall any withdrawal effects.
> There is some theoretical concern because niacinamide can acclerate aging in some lower animals, but this is only shown in worms and such, and there is no evidence this occurs in humans.
> All in all, it's probably better than a benzo if it works for you.
> PeterJ
>Thanks. It's only a short-term solution for me so I think it should be fine. That's a little scary about those worms though.
K
Posted by KaraS on December 23, 2004, at 23:06:59
In reply to Re: WOW! Niacinamide really works! » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on December 12, 2004, at 10:34:10
Larry,
I wasn't clear as to whether you were saying that niacinamide could be taken with an MAOI or not. I think you were inferring that it could be but I wanted to make absolutely sure in this case.
The niacinamide is still working really well for me. After the first couple of days where it would wear off in a few hours, now it seems to linger for quite a while. I found the dose that keeps me calm enough and yet allows me some cognitive functioning. It's between 1/3 - 1/4 of a 500 mg. capsule and I take it twice a day. It gives me continuous coverage without any rebound anxiety. It's really a huge help for the time being. The anxiety is at least 90% under control now and I can function at the temporary jobs.
Speaking of cognitive functioning, do you notice the anticholinergic effects of the trimipramine negatively impacting your cognitive functioning? I used to feel that the low dose doxepin, and to a lesser extent maprotiline, that I took for sleep, did make it harder to concentrate. I wonder why you decided on trimipramine rather than doxepin or maprotiline to help you sleep since I think that both of them are supposed to be less anticholinergic?
K
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