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Posted by joebob on October 30, 2004, at 18:42:17
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how 'bout eating raw eggs as a way of raising it
benefits? drawbacks?
Posted by linkadge on October 31, 2004, at 8:07:35
In reply to i have low cholesterol and have suffered depressio, posted by joebob on October 30, 2004, at 18:42:17
Low cholesterol can be linked to depression. But correlation does not imply causation. Ie raising your cholesterol may or may not help.
Raw eggs are a nutritious form of cholesterol. Fish oil can also contain cholesterol, unless it is removed.
Linkadge
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 31, 2004, at 9:37:26
In reply to i have low cholesterol and have suffered depressio, posted by joebob on October 30, 2004, at 18:42:17
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> how 'bout eating raw eggs as a way of raising it
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> benefits? drawbacks?Raw eggs? Salmonella.
Free range eggs are a superbly nutritional food. You cannot eat too many. Seriously.
Any gentle cooking method will kill Salmonella.
As to induction of liver cholesterol production, you should consider substituting saturated fatty acids for PUFAs. Tropical oils, for example, coconut.
Lar
Posted by raybakes on October 31, 2004, at 13:54:29
In reply to i have low cholesterol and have suffered depressio, posted by joebob on October 30, 2004, at 18:42:17
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> how 'bout eating raw eggs as a way of raising it
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> benefits? drawbacks?Hi Joebob, insulin raises cholesterol too by increasing the activity of the enzyme HMG CoA reductase - people with insulin resistance with high insulin tend to have high cholesterol for this reason - statin drugs inhibit HMG CoA reductase.
Would think your weight would be low if you had an insulin problem though..
Here's an article about cholesterol synthesis..
Hormones such as glucagon and epinephrine negatively affect cholesterol biosynthesis by increasing the activity of the inhibitor of phosphoprotein phosphatase inhibitor-1, PPI-1. Conversely, insulin stimulates the removal of phosphates and, thereby, activates HMG-CoA reductase activity. Additional regulation of HMGR occurs through an inhibition of its' activity as well as of its' synthesis by elevation in intracellular cholesterol levels. The mechanism of this cholesterol induced inhibition is not fully understood
Ray
Posted by joebob on October 31, 2004, at 21:39:52
In reply to Re: i have low cholesterol and have suffered depressio » joebob, posted by raybakes on October 31, 2004, at 13:54:29
ray, you've hit ito on the money...i am extremely thin and have lost 20lbs in the last 4 years due to stress and loss of appetite!!!
suggestion?
Posted by joebob on October 31, 2004, at 21:55:33
In reply to Re: i have low cholesterol and have suffered depressio » joebob, posted by Larry Hoover on October 31, 2004, at 9:37:26
just add more meat and coconut oil?
thanks
Posted by raybakes on November 1, 2004, at 5:10:43
In reply to Re: i have low cholesterol and have suffered depressio » raybakes, posted by joebob on October 31, 2004, at 21:39:52
> ray, you've hit ito on the money...i am extremely thin and have lost 20lbs in the last 4 years due to stress and loss of appetite!!!
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> suggestion?Have you had your insulin levels checked out with your doctor? You'd probably be producing a lot of ketones and have strange smell to your breath too.
niacinamide can protect the insulin producing cells....
and it can also help stop (along with B6) a metabolite of tryptophan degradation, called xanthurenic acid, binding onto and disabling insulin - xanthurenic acid has also been implicated in the destruction of pancreatic beta cells - this article describes how it destroys cells, but is a little complicated!
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2121/5/14
If you are producing ketones, high dose biotin can help.
make sure to get everything checked out with your doctor - I don't know what tests are available, but insulin, glucagon, xanthurenic acid, interferon gamma and ketones are the ones I can think of...
and antibodies, this abstract suggests...
hope I'm not being too alarmist, but weight loss and low cholesterol, seem to be good reasons to check things out.
Ray
Posted by joebob on November 1, 2004, at 8:37:10
In reply to Re: i have low cholesterol and have suffered depressio » joebob, posted by raybakes on November 1, 2004, at 5:10:43
time and money allow....if they are funky is there anything other than niacinamide and biotin?
diet?
supps?
meds?election here tomorrow.....wild ain't it?
thanks a great bunch
Posted by raybakes on November 1, 2004, at 9:18:10
In reply to ray........i'll try to get the tests if, posted by joebob on November 1, 2004, at 8:37:10
> time and money allow....if they are funky is there anything other than niacinamide and biotin?
> diet?
> supps?
> meds?
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> election here tomorrow.....wild ain't it?
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> thanks a great bunchHave a word with Lar again too, he might think I'm on the wrong track - but the reason I wanted you to check things out was because I was worried that you had an autoimmune thing going on that might be affecting your pancreas - wouldn't want to you lose beta cells! I'm a bit wary about suggesting anymore, as I've made quite a jump in suspecting what I have already - I don't want you to buy stuff when my worries might be unfounded!
Good luck with your next president!! There's a joke over here that Tony Blair is changing his name to Tony Shrub.....so he can be a 'little Bush'!
Ray
Posted by joebob on November 1, 2004, at 10:59:11
In reply to Re: ray........i'll try to get the tests if » joebob, posted by raybakes on November 1, 2004, at 9:18:10
as i have been using trazadone for a couple of years now, and used to drink a lot....
hey, suggest away,i'll check out any suggestions on the web and with my naturopath....i don't want to lose any betas, either
i'm waiting on a reply from larry, he may be working now.........think he's in canada
i get my supps at doctors cost and am willing to try whatever seems reasonable
my older brother (2 year) has diabetes
what do you think about r-lipoic acid? and wobenzyme?
still smoke cigs, so any protection for pancreas is important to me, and did have some tenderness in gall bladder region, but cat scan and blood tests showed no concern for the moment
thanks for taking the time to make suggestions
joebob
Posted by joebob on November 1, 2004, at 11:02:03
In reply to Re: ray........i'll try to get the tests if » joebob, posted by raybakes on November 1, 2004, at 9:18:10
perhaps an autoimmune thing going on...and i have some seriou cancer among my siblings
so any autoimmune suggestions would be cool, too
Posted by joebob on November 1, 2004, at 19:40:32
In reply to Re: ray........i'll try to get the tests if » joebob, posted by raybakes on November 1, 2004, at 9:18:10
Posted by raybakes on November 2, 2004, at 5:48:30
In reply to i actually have been concerned about my pancreas, posted by joebob on November 1, 2004, at 10:59:11
> as i have been using trazadone for a couple of years now, and used to drink a lot....
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> hey, suggest away,i'll check out any suggestions on the web and with my naturopath....i don't want to lose any betas, either
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> i'm waiting on a reply from larry, he may be working now.........think he's in canada
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> i get my supps at doctors cost and am willing to try whatever seems reasonable
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> my older brother (2 year) has diabetes
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> what do you think about r-lipoic acid? and wobenzyme?
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> still smoke cigs, so any protection for pancreas is important to me, and did have some tenderness in gall bladder region, but cat scan and blood tests showed no concern for the moment
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> thanks for taking the time to make suggestions
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> joebob
Does your brother have type 1 or type 2 diabetes? Alpha lipoic acid is a good supplement for blood sugar balance - it helps the insulin receptor work better - I can only tolerate it in small amounts though, in lipothiamine (B1 + lipoic acid) by cardiovascular reseach - it needs to work with B2, B3 as well - I can tolerate large does of naicinamide (1-2 grammes), but only a few mg of B2, before I feel ill.Do you do OK on B6?
Have heard of wobenzyme but not tried it. The one I do well on is serraflazyme by cardiovascular research.
And don't forget fat soluble antioxidants, A, D and E. Alcohol being a solvent, does a good job at dissolving cell membranes. In fact supporting your whole antioxidant system would be a very good idea!!
Here's an abstract about the problems that alcohol leads to in the pancreas - don't read it if you don't want to be spooked! Lipoic acid inhibits NF kappa B, by the way.....and don't forget to try to see someone!
Ray
Mechanisms of alcoholic pancreatitis. Proceedings of a conference. Chicago, Illinois, USA, November 2002.
[No authors listed]
Long-term, heavy alcohol consumption is associated with both acute and chronic pancreatitis. Progression of pancreatitis may lead to multiple comorbidities including maldigestion, diabetes, and pancreatic cancer. Understanding the underlying molecular, biochemical, and cellular mechanisms by which alcohol ingestion leads to the development of pancreatitis may help to develop strategies for the treatment and prevention of the disease. The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism and the Office of Rare Diseases of National Institutes of Health sponsored a satellite symposium on "Mechanisms of Alcoholic Pancreatitis" at the annual meeting of the American Pancreatic Association, Chicago, IL, November 2002. For this symposium, 8 speakers were invited to address the following issues: (1) epidemiology of alcoholic pancreatitis; (2) pathophysiology of alcoholic pancreatitis; (3) animal models of alcoholic pancreatitis--roles of cholecystokinin (CCK) and viral infections; (4) alcohol and zymogen activation in the pancreatic acinar cell; (5) role of alcohol metabolism in alcoholic pancreatitis; (6) pancreatic stellate cell activation in alcoholic pancreatitis; and (7) genetic predisposition to alcoholic chronic pancreatitis. It was concluded that alcohol abuse is a major contributory factor to the development of both acute and chronic pancreatitis. The injurious effects of ethanol on the pancreas may be mediated through (1) sensitization of acinar cells to CCK-induced premature activation of zymogens; (2) potentiation of the effect of CCK on the activation of transcription factors, nuclear factor kappaB (NF-kappaB) and activating protein-1 (AP-1); (3) generation of toxic metabolites such as acetaldehyde and fatty acid ethyl esters; (4) sensitization of the pancreas to the toxic effects of coxsackievirus B3; and (5) activation of pancreatic stellate cells by acetaldehyde and oxidative stress and subsequent increased production of collagen and other matrix proteins.
Posted by joebob on November 2, 2004, at 9:16:51
In reply to Re: i actually have been concerned about my pancreas » joebob, posted by raybakes on November 2, 2004, at 5:48:30
so much as a beer
brothe got diabetes as an adult, don't know which type
what do you think of the r-lipoic?
wobenzyme is supposed to rebuild the pancreatic enzymes........check it out...the impartant factor is chymotrysin
don't have time for more, gotta get the kid to school and go vote....could be a long day or two for us here in the states...fyi, there are only 2 bushies we know amongst our many aquaintencnes....a lot of us think the madness in america is caused by the quality of media reportage, esp FOX news and network (r. murdoch), at least you guys get the beeb
cross your fingers, our country and the whole world have a lot at stake today
thanks again
joebob
Posted by raybakes on November 4, 2004, at 3:02:15
In reply to thanks,it's been almost a year since i had » raybakes, posted by joebob on November 2, 2004, at 9:16:51
> so much as a beer
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> brothe got diabetes as an adult, don't know which type
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> what do you think of the r-lipoic?
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> wobenzyme is supposed to rebuild the pancreatic enzymes........check it out...the impartant factor is chymotrysin
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> don't have time for more, gotta get the kid to school and go vote....could be a long day or two for us here in the states...fyi, there are only 2 bushies we know amongst our many aquaintencnes....a lot of us think the madness in america is caused by the quality of media reportage, esp FOX news and network (r. murdoch), at least you guys get the beeb
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> cross your fingers, our country and the whole world have a lot at stake today
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> thanks again
> joebobHi Joebob,
the r lipoic acid looks interesting - will have to look into it more. One of the r lipoic acid supplements had some B vits that work along side lipoic acid, which might work for me. (pyruvate dehydrogenase complex b vitamins).
Wobenzym looks a good product - although found this ad for serrapeptase, the one I'm taking, claims to have a better chymotrypsin type enzyme than wobenzym!!
"As important as Chymotrypsin is in its actions and its synergy, a new enzyme – Serrapeptase, does everything the Chymo can do, but faster, stronger, better and with even more beneficial physiological actions. With Serrapeptase as the activator and synergist the remainder of these non-animal enzymes line up like armies behind a general to do their jobs."
hmmmm?! sound a bit over the top!
Frustrated Bush got in - I'm sure Bin Laden sent that tape because he wanted Bush to win!
Keep well,
Ray
Ps, could you check with your brother what kind of diabetes he's got, and how and when he got it.(was it after a virus for example, does he drink/smoke? is he overweight/underweight?) Might help you understand some of your symptoms?
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