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Posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 16:38:31
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 17, 2004, at 8:30:56
> > >
> > > I've never seen them combined like that before. Are they expensive?I don't know how your Scots personality would interpret the price so you be the judge:
> > > I don't know if there's an upper limit on quercetin, but I'll take 2,000 mg of bromelain on its own.
> > >
> > > Lar
> >
> >
> > HOW DO YOU KNOW ALL OF THIS STUFF????
> >
> > Thanks.
> > -K
>
> I am gifted with a relational database type brain. I know where to put a new concept in relationship to others already present, and I can also sense if I don't know where to put something (ergo, when to start researching anew). The retrieval system seems to be rather efficient, as well. In contrast, I have a horrible problem with people's names (but not chemical names), and in the details of that particular person's life as compared to other life stories which I often misattribute (and again, I seldom mix up chemicals). Go figure. If it was the other way around (doing people better than chemicals) I'd probably be one of those social dynamos who knows everybody and everything about each one ("and how is your lovely wife Gail", to a man I met once, three years before, on another continent).
>
> Lar
I think your gift is far more useful than being able to recognize Gail from three years ago on another continent!-K
Posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 16:57:02
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 17, 2004, at 9:25:55
Lar,
Thanks so much for sharing your story about GERD and indegestion. I'm definitely going to send this info. to my mother. She's not terribly good at following through on things but it's worth a try anyway. I had a couple of other questions on what you said:
> I was already taking a B-complex, and zinc and selenium and magnesium. All factor in, so you do need those. The key ingredients that I added were bromelain (1,000 mg a half hour after each meal), trimethylglycine (1,000 mg, twice daily....doesn't matter about the food bit), and B-12 (1,000 mcg once daily, not sure if it matters about food or not). (These are acute treatment amounts. Maintenance doses, once symptoms remit, as required.)
TMG? Not betaine hydrochloride?
> You may recall I mentioned Helicobacter pylori. If your mother has not been tested for that infection, she ought to be. The test is not very expensive ($80?), is non-invasive, and may indicate a treatable condition (antibiotic therapy) that can exacerbate indigestion/reflux.
I think she was tested for H. pylori. I'll check to be sure.
> > >
> > > That said, I'd go with this product:
> > > http://www.iherb.com/superenzymes.html
The Ox Bile extract in it shouldn't scare me at all?I was also wondering if taking these enzymes might cause the body to produce less of its own. Is there a chance of that?
> > >
> > > Lar
> >
> >
> > Lar,
> >
> > That was very sweet of you to select the brand for me.
>
> I also selected it for *me*, Kara. Thanks.
Oh, good. Hope it helps both of us!-K
Posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 17:30:26
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 17, 2004, at 9:25:55
You wrote:
>(As a long-time trucker, you don't eat what you want to anyway. You eat what you can find any place where you can park a big rig.)
You were a trucker? My, you really are an interesting character, errr, I mean person!
-K
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 19, 2004, at 10:13:16
In reply to Re: quercetin and bromelain combined » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 16:38:31
> > > >
> > > > I've never seen them combined like that before. Are they expensive?
>
> I don't know how your Scots personality would interpret the price so you be the judge:
>
> http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?follow-pro=1&vwcatalog=iherb&catalog=iherb&query=quercetin/bromelainThat'll be awright, lassie.
> > I am gifted with a relational database type brain. I know where to put a new concept in relationship to others already present, and I can also sense if I don't know where to put something (ergo, when to start researching anew). The retrieval system seems to be rather efficient, as well. In contrast, I have a horrible problem with people's names (but not chemical names), and in the details of that particular person's life as compared to other life stories which I often misattribute (and again, I seldom mix up chemicals). Go figure. If it was the other way around (doing people better than chemicals) I'd probably be one of those social dynamos who knows everybody and everything about each one ("and how is your lovely wife Gail", to a man I met once, three years before, on another continent).
> >
> > Lar
>
>
> I think your gift is far more useful than being able to recognize Gail from three years ago on another continent!
>
> -KBe that as it may, I may have to take up a collection for my aluminum foil costs. I use only Alcan brand foil for my hats.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 19, 2004, at 10:18:34
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 16:57:02
> Lar,
>
> Thanks so much for sharing your story about GERD and indegestion. I'm definitely going to send this info. to my mother. She's not terribly good at following through on things but it's worth a try anyway.Goody goody good. Maybe if you show her how my other advice turns you into Miss Dynamo, she will be convinced? No, wait, maybe she should take my advice, and you should get all excited.
> I had a couple of other questions on what you said:
>
>
> > I was already taking a B-complex, and zinc and selenium and magnesium. All factor in, so you do need those. The key ingredients that I added were bromelain (1,000 mg a half hour after each meal), trimethylglycine (1,000 mg, twice daily....doesn't matter about the food bit), and B-12 (1,000 mcg once daily, not sure if it matters about food or not). (These are acute treatment amounts. Maintenance doses, once symptoms remit, as required.)
>
>
> TMG? Not betaine hydrochloride?I'm coming to the conclusion it doesn't matter which one, other than the fact the hydrochloride will chemically burn your esophagus if it isn't taken exactly as directed.
> > You may recall I mentioned Helicobacter pylori. If your mother has not been tested for that infection, she ought to be. The test is not very expensive ($80?), is non-invasive, and may indicate a treatable condition (antibiotic therapy) that can exacerbate indigestion/reflux.
>
>
> I think she was tested for H. pylori. I'll check to be sure.I wish I knew my results. I do those antibiotics in a New York minute, but my doc says "no test results, no antibiotics".
> > > >
> > > > That said, I'd go with this product:
> > > > http://www.iherb.com/superenzymes.html
>
>
> The Ox Bile extract in it shouldn't scare me at all?As in Mad Cow? No.
> I was also wondering if taking these enzymes might cause the body to produce less of its own. Is there a chance of that?I haven't seen any evidence of feedback regulation, so it doesn't look like it.
> > > That was very sweet of you to select the brand for me.
> >
> > I also selected it for *me*, Kara. Thanks.
>
>
> Oh, good. Hope it helps both of us!
>
> -KI need reminders. Ask my girlfriend. ;-) Nag me, baybee! That's one reason I love questions.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 19, 2004, at 10:21:09
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 17:30:26
> You wrote:
>
> >(As a long-time trucker, you don't eat what you want to anyway. You eat what you can find any place where you can park a big rig.)
>
> You were a trucker? My, you really are an interesting character, errr, I mean person!
>
> -KI was, and still am, a trucker. I have worn many hats, over the years. Trucking is somehow in my blood, and I still work as an occasional full-time trucker. Big black Peterbilt, 13-speed overdrive tranny, she'll do 78 mph. But I never tested that out, of course! ;-)
Lar
Posted by KaraS on August 19, 2004, at 15:45:02
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 19, 2004, at 10:18:34
> > Lar,
> >
> > Thanks so much for sharing your story about GERD and indegestion. I'm definitely going to send this info. to my mother. She's not terribly good at following through on things but it's worth a try anyway.
>
> Goody goody good. Maybe if you show her how my other advice turns you into Miss Dynamo, she will be convinced? No, wait, maybe she should take my advice, and you should get all excited.
>
> > I had a couple of other questions on what you said:
> >
> >
> > > I was already taking a B-complex, and zinc and selenium and magnesium. All factor in, so you do need those. The key ingredients that I added were bromelain (1,000 mg a half hour after each meal), trimethylglycine (1,000 mg, twice daily....doesn't matter about the food bit), and B-12 (1,000 mcg once daily, not sure if it matters about food or not). (These are acute treatment amounts. Maintenance doses, once symptoms remit, as required.)
> >
> >
> > TMG? Not betaine hydrochloride?
>
> I'm coming to the conclusion it doesn't matter which one, other than the fact the hydrochloride will chemically burn your esophagus if it isn't taken exactly as directed.
>
> > > You may recall I mentioned Helicobacter pylori. If your mother has not been tested for that infection, she ought to be. The test is not very expensive ($80?), is non-invasive, and may indicate a treatable condition (antibiotic therapy) that can exacerbate indigestion/reflux.
> >
> >
> > I think she was tested for H. pylori. I'll check to be sure.I recently read an interesting post on another board. This person claimed to have been prescribed an antibiotic to fight H. Pylori and it took away all of the nausea she had been feeling for quite a while (for which there had been no diagnosis).
>
> I wish I knew my results. I do those antibiotics in a New York minute, but my doc says "no test results, no antibiotics".I don't understand. Why won't your doctor test you for this or are you saying that your test results on this aren't back yet?
> > > > >
> > > > > That said, I'd go with this product:
> > > > > http://www.iherb.com/superenzymes.html
> >
> >
> > The Ox Bile extract in it shouldn't scare me at all?
>
> As in Mad Cow? No.Or any other pathogen?
>
> > I was also wondering if taking these enzymes might cause the body to produce less of its own. Is there a chance of that?
>
> I haven't seen any evidence of feedback regulation, so it doesn't look like it.
>Good!
> > > > That was very sweet of you to select the brand for me.
> > >
> > > I also selected it for *me*, Kara. Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Oh, good. Hope it helps both of us!
> >
> > -K
>
> I need reminders. Ask my girlfriend. ;-) Nag me, baybee! That's one reason I love questions.
>
> Lar
>I would ask her if I could figure out who she is!
Kara
Posted by KaraS on August 19, 2004, at 16:21:15
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 19, 2004, at 10:21:09
> > You wrote:
> >
> > >(As a long-time trucker, you don't eat what you want to anyway. You eat what you can find any place where you can park a big rig.)
> >
> > You were a trucker? My, you really are an interesting character, errr, I mean person!
> >
> > -K
>
> I was, and still am, a trucker. I have worn many hats, over the years. Trucking is somehow in my blood, and I still work as an occasional full-time trucker. Big black Peterbilt, 13-speed overdrive tranny, she'll do 78 mph. But I never tested that out, of course! ;-)
>
> LarI thought you said you were an environmental toxicologist? Must have been one of the other hats you were wearing. Which one do you need the aluminum foil for? (BTW, that joke went right over my head...)
-K
Posted by Simus on August 19, 2004, at 23:21:02
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion, posted by KaraS on August 19, 2004, at 16:21:15
> I thought you said you were an environmental toxicologist? Must have been one of the other hats you were wearing. Which one do you need the aluminum foil for? (BTW, that joke went right over my head...)
No, Sweetie, all that supplement talk has you confused. Let me try to help. The trucker hat and the environmental toxicologist hat are figurative. The foil hat is an actual hat, part of his "Trekkie" outfit that he keeps stashed in his mother's basement for the very special 2 week Star Trek marathons (well, that's what the word on the street is anyway).
Live long and prosper,
Simus
P.S. Larry, you are still going to keep giving me *good* advice, aren't you???
Posted by KaraS on August 20, 2004, at 0:02:16
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » KaraS, posted by Simus on August 19, 2004, at 23:21:02
> > I thought you said you were an environmental toxicologist? Must have been one of the other hats you were wearing. Which one do you need the aluminum foil for? (BTW, that joke went right over my head...)
>
> No, Sweetie, all that supplement talk has you confused. Let me try to help. The trucker hat and the environmental toxicologist hat are figurative. The foil hat is an actual hat, part of his "Trekkie" outfit that he keeps stashed in his mother's basement for the very special 2 week Star Trek marathons (well, that's what the word on the street is anyway).
>
> Live long and prosper,
>
> Simus
>
> P.S. Larry, you are still going to keep giving me *good* advice, aren't you???
OOOHHHHHH. Guess I wasn't geek enough, I mean trekkie enough, to get that joke. I'm still picturing Larry driving that big rig truck with a tin foil hat on though... all the while he's speaking biomedical talk. Wait... I see the men in white coats coming...Kara
(Hope he'll still give me good advice too.)
Posted by Simus on August 20, 2004, at 0:34:32
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » Simus, posted by KaraS on August 20, 2004, at 0:02:16
> > > I thought you said you were an environmental toxicologist? Must have been one of the other hats you were wearing. Which one do you need the aluminum foil for? (BTW, that joke went right over my head...)
> >
> > No, Sweetie, all that supplement talk has you confused. Let me try to help. The trucker hat and the environmental toxicologist hat are figurative. The foil hat is an actual hat, part of his "Trekkie" outfit that he keeps stashed in his mother's basement for the very special 2 week Star Trek marathons (well, that's what the word on the street is anyway).
> >
> > Live long and prosper,
> >
> > Simus
> >
> > P.S. Larry, you are still going to keep giving me *good* advice, aren't you???
>
>
> OOOHHHHHH. Guess I wasn't geek enough, I mean trekkie enough, to get that joke. I'm still picturing Larry driving that big rig truck with a tin foil hat on though... all the while he's speaking biomedical talk. Wait... I see the men in white coats coming...
>
> Kara
>
> (Hope he'll still give me good advice too.)LOL Truth be told, I have no idea what the foil hat is for. Maybe he wears a magnetic bracelet with the foil hat and the resulting electromagnetic current is drawn to the brain region due to the metal hat, producing some sort of gray matter cellular "shock therapy". Or, maybe he is just weird. He does talk to us you know... Hey, I see the same men in white coats...
Simus
Posted by KaraS on August 20, 2004, at 1:02:10
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » KaraS, posted by Simus on August 20, 2004, at 0:34:32
> > > > I thought you said you were an environmental toxicologist? Must have been one of the other hats you were wearing. Which one do you need the aluminum foil for? (BTW, that joke went right over my head...)
> > >
> > > No, Sweetie, all that supplement talk has you confused. Let me try to help. The trucker hat and the environmental toxicologist hat are figurative. The foil hat is an actual hat, part of his "Trekkie" outfit that he keeps stashed in his mother's basement for the very special 2 week Star Trek marathons (well, that's what the word on the street is anyway).
> > >
> > > Live long and prosper,
> > >
> > > Simus
> > >
> > > P.S. Larry, you are still going to keep giving me *good* advice, aren't you???
> >
> >
> > OOOHHHHHH. Guess I wasn't geek enough, I mean trekkie enough, to get that joke. I'm still picturing Larry driving that big rig truck with a tin foil hat on though... all the while he's speaking biomedical talk. Wait... I see the men in white coats coming...
> >
> > Kara
> >
> > (Hope he'll still give me good advice too.)
>
> LOL Truth be told, I have no idea what the foil hat is for. Maybe he wears a magnetic bracelet with the foil hat and the resulting electromagnetic current is drawn to the brain region due to the metal hat, producing some sort of gray matter cellular "shock therapy". Or, maybe he is just weird. He does talk to us you know... Hey, I see the same men in white coats...
>
> Simus
>
>Can't you just see him hooked up to some contraption like that? Whatever he does, though, it sure does seem to work!!!
Kara
P.S. There's an amusing exchange over on social with Larry, myself and chemist. Chemist was soooo funny. Check it out.
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 20, 2004, at 6:42:00
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » KaraS, posted by Simus on August 20, 2004, at 0:34:32
> LOL Truth be told, I have no idea what the foil hat is for. Maybe he wears a magnetic bracelet with the foil hat and the resulting electromagnetic current is drawn to the brain region due to the metal hat, producing some sort of gray matter cellular "shock therapy". Or, maybe he is just weird. He does talk to us you know... Hey, I see the same men in white coats...
>
> Simus<sigh> Jokes you gotta splain ain't jokes no more.
Paranoid schizophrenics have been known to use tinfoil hats to block the "beams" being sent into their brains (by aliens, the feds, the dog next door, whatever), which plant ideas and read their minds and do all sorts of stuff.
So, in the context of a holiday, a tinfoil hat might be a way to rest my brain, and permit my full trekiness to come out. I don't do the Spock eyebrow for nothing, you know.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 20, 2004, at 6:48:58
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion, posted by KaraS on August 19, 2004, at 16:21:15
> I thought you said you were an environmental toxicologist? Must have been one of the other hats you were wearing. Which one do you need the aluminum foil for? (BTW, that joke went right over my head...)
>
> -KYa, well, tin foil hats are all the rage in psych wards.
I have a diverse background. I am a licensed tractor-trailer driver-trainer, I still drive rigs, I am a certified addictions counsellor, I have a degree in psychology, I did R & D at a computer company, I taught stats and chemistry at a university, I did contract work for an environmental group you'd readily recognize, and I moved pianos. I got published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal in a field for which I have no training or education. Go figure. That's the short list.
Lar
Posted by Simus on August 20, 2004, at 11:39:43
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 20, 2004, at 6:48:58
> Ya, well, tin foil hats are all the rage in psych wards.
>
> I have a diverse background. I am a licensed tractor-trailer driver-trainer, I still drive rigs, I am a certified addictions counsellor, I have a degree in psychology, I did R & D at a computer company, I taught stats and chemistry at a university, I did contract work for an environmental group you'd readily recognize, and I moved pianos. I got published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal in a field for which I have no training or education. Go figure. That's the short list.
>
> LarGee, Lar, the second paragraph would be a whole lot more believable if it weren't for the first. LOL (just kidding)
Simus
Posted by KaraS on August 21, 2004, at 2:59:02
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 20, 2004, at 6:48:58
>
> > I thought you said you were an environmental toxicologist? Must have been one of the other hats you were wearing. Which one do you need the aluminum foil for? (BTW, that joke went right over my head...)
> >
> > -K
>
> Ya, well, tin foil hats are all the rage in psych wards.
>
> I have a diverse background. I am a licensed tractor-trailer driver-trainer, I still drive rigs, I am a certified addictions counsellor, I have a degree in psychology, I did R & D at a computer company, I taught stats and chemistry at a university, I did contract work for an environmental group you'd readily recognize, and I moved pianos. I got published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal in a field for which I have no training or education. Go figure. That's the short list.
>
> Lar
>Wow, you've certainly jumped around a lot. Never get bored that way I guess. Isn't it tough to drive trucks long distance when you have CFS? (I would imagine it's hard enough when you don't have CFS.) Maybe that's where the tin foil hat can help?
-K
Posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 16:46:28
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on August 19, 2004, at 15:45:02
Ask my girlfriend. ;-) Nag me, baybee! That's one reason I love questions.
> >
> > Lar
> >
>
> I would ask her if I could figure out who she is!
>
> Kara
Oh you did, and he does. Lar was just having *SUCH* a good time teasing you that I didn't say it outright before.
Posted by Simus on August 21, 2004, at 17:31:53
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » KaraS, posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 16:46:28
> Ask my girlfriend. ;-) Nag me, baybee! That's one reason I love questions.
> > >
> > > Lar
> > >
> >
> > I would ask her if I could figure out who she is!
> >
> > Kara
>
> Oh you did, and he does. Lar was just having *SUCH* a good time teasing you that I didn't say it outright before.
>
>REALLY??? So tell me, what is Hoover...Larry Hoover really like? Is he indeed a Scottish James Bond??? Oh, I know how it is with secret agents, you could tell us but then you would have to kill us...
Simus
Posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 18:08:15
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » gabbix2, posted by Simus on August 21, 2004, at 17:31:53
> REALLY??? So tell me, what is Hoover...Larry Hoover really like? Is he indeed a Scottish James Bond??? Oh, I know how it is with secret agents, you could tell us but then you would have to kill us...
>
Ha! I can't tell you all his secrets..
I will say though that he's just as kind and intelligent in real life as he is on the board.
And yeah.. that stuff really does really does come right off the top of his data base head.
Posted by KaraS on August 21, 2004, at 19:04:32
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » KaraS, posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 16:46:28
> Ask my girlfriend. ;-) Nag me, baybee! That's one reason I love questions.
> > >
> > > Lar
> > >
> >
> > I would ask her if I could figure out who she is!
> >
> > Kara
>
> Oh you did, and he does. Lar was just having *SUCH* a good time teasing you that I didn't say it outright before.
>
>Oh that Larry!
Thanks for the clarification. You're a lucky girl! (But I bet he's just as lucky.)
I'm curious, did you meet here at PB or did you discover PB because of him?
(Of course I had to ask that. You didn't think I'd let you off the hook that easily, did you?)
Kara
Posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 19:32:02
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » gabbix2, posted by KaraS on August 21, 2004, at 19:04:32
Well we met because of P.B. but in a funny way. Bob used to have a penchant for blocking me and finally when I was blocked for 9 weeks in yet another unfathomable decision (not just my opinion, but I'll spare you the details) someone from the board started up a small group for me.. Lar was also invited and that's how we got to know each other really. I think it's fitting that it wasn't really Bob's board that brought us together but his blocking techniques ;)
And yeah, I'm very lucky.
Posted by KaraS on August 21, 2004, at 19:34:54
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » KaraS, posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 19:32:02
> Well we met because of P.B. but in a funny way. Bob used to have a penchant for blocking me and finally when I was blocked for 9 weeks in yet another unfathomable decision (not just my opinion, but I'll spare you the details) someone from the board started up a small group for me.. Lar was also invited and that's how we got to know each other really. I think it's fitting that it wasn't really Bob's board that brought us together but his blocking techniques ;)
>
> And yeah, I'm very lucky.
>
>That's really quite an amazing story! Thanks for sharing it. I promise no more questions (at least for now...)
Posted by Simus on August 21, 2004, at 22:05:18
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » Simus, posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 18:08:15
> > REALLY??? So tell me, what is Hoover...Larry Hoover really like? Is he indeed a Scottish James Bond??? Oh, I know how it is with secret agents, you could tell us but then you would have to kill us...
> >
> Ha! I can't tell you all his secrets..
> I will say though that he's just as kind and intelligent in real life as he is on the board.Yeah, I'm not surprised...
> And yeah.. that stuff really does really does come right off the top of his data base head.
>
Ohhhhhh...that's downright scary!
Posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 22:41:28
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » gabbix2, posted by Simus on August 21, 2004, at 22:05:18
> Ohhhhhh...that's downright scary!
You're telling ME... my identity has been based on being fairly intelligent and speaking my mind and at times I was reduced to "Okay I'll jes sit here and look all purty then.."
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 22, 2004, at 0:12:07
In reply to Re: Urticaria and incomplete protein digestion » Simus, posted by gabbix2 on August 21, 2004, at 22:41:28
> You're telling ME... my identity has been based on being fairly intelligent and speaking my mind...
Sorry to interrupt, but I think it's time to redirect follow-ups that aren't about alternative treatments to Psycho-Social-Babble. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20040820/msgs/380665.html
Thanks,
Bob
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