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Posted by guttersnipe on April 6, 2004, at 19:25:26
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by mordewis on April 6, 2004, at 16:38:32
Thanks for the info!
> I learn Raja Kundalini from my guru, Rudrananda, and my paramguru also teaches it. It's a very simple kundalini yoga method, very easy to learn. I also am doing Raja Yoga, which is based on Samkhyin techniques, also with my guru. Since my guru lives in Colo Springs and my paramguru in Seattle, I would say that the method you know of is NOT the only one available in the States. :D
Posted by mysteryroad on April 6, 2004, at 19:28:15
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by guttersnipe on April 6, 2004, at 19:25:26
Nice way to hijack a thread..What a mess.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 6, 2004, at 20:05:33
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by mysteryroad on April 6, 2004, at 19:28:15
> Nice way to hijack a thread..
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused.
If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
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or redirect a follow-up to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posting something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by guttersnipe on April 6, 2004, at 20:50:52
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by mysteryroad on April 6, 2004, at 19:28:15
> Nice way to hijack a thread..What a mess.
Mystery Person,
I did not "hijack" anything. My post asked about others' experiences with lithium orotate, what their doctors have to say about its effect (if any) on kidney function, and since this is the "alternative" forum it seemed sensible to ask whether people are supplementing lithium orotate and if so, with what. Then I described my own experience (on that note, that the lithium orotate continues to work for me).
Before I posted anything to this forum, I lurked for a while on various threads, and there is quite evidently no unwritten rule against submitting a post that includes a topic other than that addressed by the first post of the thread (as, I note, your post did). Indeed, I have never been in any internet fora along the lines of this one where that was the case. Discussing topics related to the original topic of discussion is the natural process of dialogue ... which is a big part of what this forum is about, right? So I don't see discussion of nutritional or lifestyle changes made in conjunction with taking lithium orotate to be very far off-topic at all, and to the extent that they are off-topic, they are so in a way that seems to me to be perfectly appropriate for an exchange of experiences and views in the "alternative" forum.
If there is some secret protocol for posting here, other than what I read when I signed up and other than the basic rule of "be polite," then please share it with me so that I will not unwittingly transgress its strictures.
Posted by mysteryroad on April 6, 2004, at 21:15:46
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate? » mysteryroad, posted by guttersnipe on April 6, 2004, at 20:50:52
Can you let me know when you get back to the thread title about lithium orotate? Or maybe I should just read through your boring little private alternative..No better yet, maybe Dr. Bob should just ban me for life for being uncivil.
Please..the fragility of some people just outright depresses me..
Posted by guttersnipe on April 7, 2004, at 16:02:17
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by mysteryroad on April 6, 2004, at 21:15:46
> Can you let me know when you get back to the thread title about lithium orotate? Or maybe I should just read through your boring little private alternative..No better yet, maybe Dr. Bob should just ban me for life for being uncivil.
> Please..the fragility of some people just outright depresses me..Mystery Complainer: you know, there are decaffeinated varieties available now that taste just as good as the real thing! You might give that a try, as you could stand to chill out a bit.
And sure, I'll let you know when and if lithium orotate is the *only* topic discussed on this thread (by the way, I did note in a post yesterday that that lithium orotate stuff is continuing to work for me, but evidently you overlooked that). Until then, why don't you just stay away from this thread, as you seem to have nothing to contribute other than snotty remarks?
As for discussion of supplements and/or practices that might be complementary to lithium orotate, it's too bad that you find that to be boring, as you might benefit trying some of them. At the least, they might improve your surly disposition.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2004, at 19:57:47
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by mysteryroad on April 6, 2004, at 21:15:46
> maybe Dr. Bob should just ban me for life for being uncivil.
No, just one week.
If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
or redirect a follow-up to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posting something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2004, at 20:01:35
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate? » mysteryroad, posted by guttersnipe on April 7, 2004, at 16:02:17
> you could stand to chill out a bit.
>
> evidently you overlooked that)... why don't you just stay away from this thread, as you seem to have nothing to contribute other than snotty remarks?
>
> your surly disposition.Please be sensitive to the feelings of others even if yours have been hurt and don't post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down.
If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
or redirect a follow-up to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posting something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by mordewis on April 16, 2004, at 0:39:35
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate? » mysteryroad, posted by guttersnipe on April 7, 2004, at 16:02:17
Since we're talking about lithium orotate again, I would like to say that several of my friends who are taking lithium orotate had the same experience that I did, switching between forms, from the capsules back to the pills. In each of our cases, it felt like we needed to increase the number of pills we were taking. I'm going back to the capsules, they are only slightly more expensive -- the capsules I'm getting at $11.95 for 120, the pills are $12.20 for 200 (I know there are higher prices, just letting you know what I'm paying in case you're paying more -- or less).
Posted by bruce_w6 on April 17, 2004, at 14:53:08
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by mordewis on April 16, 2004, at 0:39:35
It is working for me along with 250 mg Lamictal
Posted by bruce_w6 on April 17, 2004, at 15:55:09
In reply to Re: Lithium Orotate « BarbaraCat, posted by Dr. Bob on September 13, 2003, at 15:58:58
How much Lithium Orotate are you guys taking.
I am takin 4x120 mg a day (2x120 Am & 2x120 PM).
It seems to be working, my mind racing is a little less. I also take 250mg Lamictal & 12.5mg Seroguil for sleep.
Can I up the lithium Orotate to 3-120's am & 3-120's pm?
Posted by LOOPS on April 20, 2004, at 12:05:40
In reply to How Much, posted by bruce_w6 on April 17, 2004, at 15:55:09
Hi -
I've been taking lith orotate 3 tabs a day for the past 6 months. I'm thinking of upping to 4.
Effect is very subtle but profound. It doesn't do that much for my anxiety, but I haven't been on any wild shopping sprees since I've been on it, so my bank account's a lot happier.
I used to have an obsession about buying shampoo of all things. My husband thinks it's funny, which is a relief because it's quite a ridiculous obsession to have. Now we have so many bottles we won't have to buy any more shampoo for at least a couple of years.
My hair looks good though!
Since being on the lith, I haven't bought any more shampoo, which gives me a chance to use up what I have.
Also I don't go out on drinking binges like before. I would get very down, write a very dark composition, then go out and get very happy trashed. Complete turn-around in emtions within a couple of hours.
Now I'm on a more even-keel. Also I don't like what drinking does to me (disrupts sleep), so I keep it to a minimum (beer lover). I heard lith orotate helps deal with alchohol cravings. Well it does a little bit, but I still drink - just not so much. This is why I'm thinking of upping to 4, as I want to stop drinking during the week, but find getting rid of drinking altogethe is very difficult.
Loops
Posted by Rob25 on April 26, 2004, at 0:55:24
In reply to How Much, posted by bruce_w6 on April 17, 2004, at 15:55:09
I'm doing great on lithium orotate taking 2 120's 3 X a day. IOW, 6 a day. I started out on less, but it didn't handle everything. I gradually upped the dose by one for a few days, then another one, etc. until I got to 6 and felt great. After a few months I tried going back to a lower dose of 4 a day, but didn't feel as even and "normal" (whatever that really is.) : )
Hope this helps.
Rob
Posted by stebu on April 26, 2004, at 2:52:09
In reply to Re: How Much, posted by Rob25 on April 26, 2004, at 0:55:24
I'm in the same place on dosage, with about the same experience. During seasonal hypomania I've gone as high as 4x 120mg three times a day, it did slightly affect my balance, but my lithium blood level has stayed at .1 even up to ten tabs a day. In general for me and a few others three doses of two 120mg tabs is about right. I think Lithium Orotate has a short half life, so it's very important to take a divided dose throughout the day.
Steve
Posted by Rob25 on April 26, 2004, at 13:32:41
In reply to Re: Lithium Orotate « Michael Motter, posted by Dr. Bob on December 22, 2003, at 16:35:31
Hi, Michael --
Your other comment to me in a different thread got moved and the move didn't show who the posts were to, so I decided to comment here.
You suggested that I read articles about Dr. Nieper and talk to a pdoc before using lithium orotate.
Actually, I had previously read YOUR article above about Hans Nieper and lithium orotate. : ) And I had formerly read info about Dr. Nieper's products not being let into the US. One of the articles had the exact paperwork describing the reason, which was because the labels were in German.
And despite what the reasons may or may not have been, I've had a long and ugly history with this illness. I've been all over the place and never had those nice periods of stability that other bipolars seem to get. I've been taking lithium orotate with the blessing of my pdoc, mainly because nothing else has worked well for me. Some things probably would have except I'm apparently ultra-sensitive to side effects.
I've now been completely stable for the many months now for the first time in my life. The only time during this period I wasn't doing well is when I went off the lithium orotate for two weeks because I couldn't believe something so cheap and easy to take could be doing all this--maybe I had just hit one of those great stable periods of the cosmic bipolar cycle. But two weeks off was enough for me--and everyone around me--to realize what was making the difference.
Yeah, I know that as far as some people are concerned, my case is just anectodal. S'ok with me. I'm just glad this stuff works for me. And it has worked for lots of people I've told about it, too. So people can try to dredge up anything negative they can find about lithium orotate. All I know is that the stuff works for me and lots of other people too.
Also, I believe that kidney info you refer to is flawed.
My understanding of the test that was done regarding the kidney fuction comparison between lithium orotate and lithium carbonate is this: (btw, I have studied both the abstract and the full text of the article of the research done in 1979 by Smith and Schou.)
They injected rats with both lithium carbonate and lithium orotate (and a neutral injection of sodium chloride) and then measured kidney functioning, urine flow, etc. The results were that the lithium orotate seemed to cause lower kidney functioning.
However, the HUGE and apparently completely overlooked point here is this--they injected the rats with the SAME amounts of lithum orotate and lithium carbonate. Anyone see a problem here?? The point is, people DON'T TAKE the same enormous amounts of lithium orotate as they have to take with lithium carbonate and lithium citrate!! An effective dose is typically like 15 mg of elemental lithium from lithium orotate compared to 126 mg of elemental lithium from lithium carbonate, which is more than 800% more lithium!
So when I see people quote that study, I wonder why nobody's comparing apples to apples. Instead the study compares grapes to watermelons and the results end up skewed and completely indifferent to the way lithium orotate is administered in actual use.
Thank you for your concern and input, though. I think it's very helpful for people to present their thoughts to each other as we all try to get through this.
Rob
Posted by Rob25 on April 26, 2004, at 13:38:43
In reply to I think the kidney study is flawed -Michael Motter, posted by Rob25 on April 26, 2004, at 13:32:41
I guess I'm confused about where all these postings go. :p Oh well. Maybe he'll find it.
Posted by stebu on April 26, 2004, at 13:48:58
In reply to I think the kidney study is flawed -Michael Motter, posted by Rob25 on April 26, 2004, at 13:32:41
Rob,
I'm so thrilled to have someone else who reads research. Thanks for the lowdown on the kidney study.
Steve
Posted by joebob on May 1, 2004, at 9:37:21
In reply to I think the kidney study is flawed -Michael Motter, posted by Rob25 on April 26, 2004, at 13:32:41
your post...i too read the flawed study summary and was somewhat concerned, but did not have access to the full study to uncover the flaw!
you've put my mind to rest
by the way,how much do you take? what is your dx?
thanks a bunch
joebob
> Hi, Michael --
>
> Your other comment to me in a different thread got moved and the move didn't show who the posts were to, so I decided to comment here.
>
> You suggested that I read articles about Dr. Nieper and talk to a pdoc before using lithium orotate.
>
> Actually, I had previously read YOUR article above about Hans Nieper and lithium orotate. : ) And I had formerly read info about Dr. Nieper's products not being let into the US. One of the articles had the exact paperwork describing the reason, which was because the labels were in German.
>
> And despite what the reasons may or may not have been, I've had a long and ugly history with this illness. I've been all over the place and never had those nice periods of stability that other bipolars seem to get. I've been taking lithium orotate with the blessing of my pdoc, mainly because nothing else has worked well for me. Some things probably would have except I'm apparently ultra-sensitive to side effects.
>
> I've now been completely stable for the many months now for the first time in my life. The only time during this period I wasn't doing well is when I went off the lithium orotate for two weeks because I couldn't believe something so cheap and easy to take could be doing all this--maybe I had just hit one of those great stable periods of the cosmic bipolar cycle. But two weeks off was enough for me--and everyone around me--to realize what was making the difference.
>
> Yeah, I know that as far as some people are concerned, my case is just anectodal. S'ok with me. I'm just glad this stuff works for me. And it has worked for lots of people I've told about it, too. So people can try to dredge up anything negative they can find about lithium orotate. All I know is that the stuff works for me and lots of other people too.
>
> Also, I believe that kidney info you refer to is flawed.
>
> My understanding of the test that was done regarding the kidney fuction comparison between lithium orotate and lithium carbonate is this: (btw, I have studied both the abstract and the full text of the article of the research done in 1979 by Smith and Schou.)
>
> They injected rats with both lithium carbonate and lithium orotate (and a neutral injection of sodium chloride) and then measured kidney functioning, urine flow, etc. The results were that the lithium orotate seemed to cause lower kidney functioning.
>
> However, the HUGE and apparently completely overlooked point here is this--they injected the rats with the SAME amounts of lithum orotate and lithium carbonate. Anyone see a problem here?? The point is, people DON'T TAKE the same enormous amounts of lithium orotate as they have to take with lithium carbonate and lithium citrate!! An effective dose is typically like 15 mg of elemental lithium from lithium orotate compared to 126 mg of elemental lithium from lithium carbonate, which is more than 800% more lithium!
>
> So when I see people quote that study, I wonder why nobody's comparing apples to apples. Instead the study compares grapes to watermelons and the results end up skewed and completely indifferent to the way lithium orotate is administered in actual use.
>
> Thank you for your concern and input, though. I think it's very helpful for people to present their thoughts to each other as we all try to get through this.
>
> Rob
>
>
Posted by katia on November 11, 2004, at 17:46:18
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by stebu on March 8, 2004, at 21:52:06
Hi,
When you say small doses of Trileptal, what dose it that? How's it going with your progress on these? How often do you get your blood tested and how much Li. orotate do you take?
Katia> I've been on Lithium Orotate since I wrote in Sept/93. My depression has not come back. I've been able to titrate off my effexor. This is the time of year when I become hypomanic. As I began to speed up my pdoc increased my Lithium orotate, and I responded right away. I do have a tiny blood level of lithium, and continue to take a small dose of trileptal. I don't have any side effects from Lithium Orotate. I think it's great.
Posted by Barbaracat on November 12, 2004, at 1:31:51
In reply to Lithium Orotate -- BarbaraCat, posted by Rob25 on September 30, 2003, at 14:59:21
Hello Rob,
It's been over a year, are you still out there? The reason I'm posting again is because I've decided to give Li Orotate another try and wanted to compare notes with you since you last wrote to me. Basically, I ran out of my prescription Li carbonate and had some of the orotate hanging around from my last failed trial and thought what the heck, see how it goes. I've been on it over a week at an increased dose and so far very good.The last time I tried it I went by the assurances on the Serenity site that it was so much more efficient that a little went a long way. I was hoping to avoid the side effects of Li, like weight gain and getting more hypothyroid, so I took only 2 120mg tablets a day. Obviously too low, even though I was only at 600mg of the carbonate. I went hypomanic in a week, stuck it out and by week 3 was buying whole nursery pallets of flowers and expensive planting implements and truckloads of compost and pumps and ponds for my multiple waterfall garden projects, along with 6 huge slabs of foam and reams of material to make deck chair cushions (can never have too many, you know). It seemed like a good idea at the time.
Of course, I crashed into major depression shortly thereafter. Went back on prescription Li and was fine in less than a week, although I never did complete that garden project or make the cushions.
This time I'm taking 6 120mg tablets which is a little more than the 600mg of carbonate but I believe my mood is benefitting from the extra without noticing any side effects. I'm sleeping better and have even lost some weight. I'm also taking a research grade St. John's Wort which has helped very much with lingering depression. I hope this combo continues to work because so far it's been the most effective and problem free out of a very long list of trial and errors.
So, just wanted to let get back to you and hope that all is still going well for you. - Barbara
> Lithium orotate works very well for me in completely managing my bipolar disorder. You had posted that:
>
> > But anyway, on to the Lithium Orotate question.
>
> > I think it just doesn't work the way they say it does, especially for people with BP illness. Perhaps it's >good for the neuro protective qualities for people without BP, but not for us.
>
>
> I'm interested in this topic because of my experience with lithium orotate. I'm interested in hearing who it does not work for and wondering what the different factors involved are. It does work extremely well for me. I would have possibly ventured a guess that maybe it doesn't work for those who have previously been on Rx lithium, since that was your case. Except the friend of ours who told me about lithium orotate had swtiched from lithium carbonate straight to lithium orotate. She is also doing very well, which is why she recommended it to me.
>
> I was not doing particularly well on anything. I have a long history with this illness. I'd been on a number of med cocktails. When I began on lithium orotate, I had been on depakote and wellbutrin. Of everthing I have taken, lithium orotate has worked the best for me. Maybe I'm more sensitive to side effects or something and some of those other meds would have worked fine if I had been able to tolerate the side effects. I'm not sure.
>
> Anyway, I'm just interested in what the different factors involved are that make a difference because I know that lithium orotate can work extremely well. Is BP subtype a factor? I am BPII but our friend is BPI. What other factors might be involved I wonder? Of course, the bottom line on all this stuff is that we are all different and nothing works for everyone.
>
> The truth is, I'm gearing up in case one of our kids turns out to be bipolar also. We don't know anything like that yet, but I know it is a distinct possibility as my father was bp as are other relatives on his side. In case we have to deal with this, I was thinking that lithium orotate was the answer to the whole bp problem with it being so easy to use with the no side effects and such good results. I've always said I'd never put one of our kids through what I had to go through and with lithium orotate, they wouldn't have to go through all that. But then I see a post like yours where it just plain didn't work and I start to wonder why.
>
> I'd be very interested in any thoughts you or anyone else might have regarding this.
>
> Rob
>
>
> --Sorry for the duplicate post on the other board. I just now noticed that Dr. Bob moved the thread to here.
Posted by Rob25 on December 16, 2004, at 22:40:05
In reply to Re: Lithium Orotate » Rob25, posted by Barbaracat on November 12, 2004, at 1:31:51
Hey, Barbara!
I'm not around here much, but I do check in every once in a while to look at some info on something or other. I'm glad I happened to see your post when I came.
Wow, I've followed your saga for a long time, and your bad history with all the meds that are supposed to help is about like mine. Lithium orotate is the first thing that every really helped me. Well, there are other meds that would have helped, but I couldn't take the side effects.
That's great that this is also working for you! It's pretty dumb, but I'm always so happy to see that because I envision another weary, tortured soul being released from bipolar hell.
Yes, it's still working great for me. Like you, I also address the depression with additional supplements. I don't use the SJW because it can cause mania in some BPs. I didn't want to take the chance because I am terrible when I'm manic. But if it's working for you, stick with it until it doesn't, I say.
I'm using 5-htp for the depression--a 50mg cap 2x daily. People wanting to take it should be careful not to use too much! I also use taurine and inositol--powders that I just mix in water or juice. My sister spends lots of time researching things for those of us in the family who are BP and had found lots of info on these being helpful for bipolars. It's also critical to use a good source of magnesium. Personally, I think magnesium citrate is the best way to go. Lastly, but extremely important, take a GOOD multivitamin and a tablet (or liquid if you can stand it) of trace minerals -- a MUST.
This sounds like a lot, but it's just a small daily routine. Nothing to it. And altogether, it's all so much better for the insane highs and the kill-myself lows that ANYTHING I've ever done. But without the lithium orotate, the rest of this won't do much for my mental/emotional state. The L O keeps me level and the rest keeps me 'tuned up'.
Gotta head out--life, meaning the wife and the ankle-biters, calls.
Oh, in case you're interested, there's another message board specifically for lithium orotate, although it's pretty slow. But questions and sometimes answers get posted there. My other sister and I both post there, although she more than me. There's an interesting 'discussion' there right now with a doctor (or so he says) and the administrator of the board about that lithium orotate--kidney thing. Here's the URL
http://www.quicktopic.com/23/H/MpcfQa4fZZeI hope things will continue to go well for you! Make sure to check in here to let everyone know how it's going. I'll watch for you.
Regards,
Rob
> Hello Rob,
> It's been over a year, are you still out there? The reason I'm posting again is because I've decided to give Li Orotate another try and wanted to compare notes with you since you last wrote to me. Basically, I ran out of my prescription Li carbonate and had some of the orotate hanging around from my last failed trial and thought what the heck, see how it goes. I've been on it over a week at an increased dose and so far very good.
>
> The last time I tried it I went by the assurances on the Serenity site that it was so much more efficient that a little went a long way. I was hoping to avoid the side effects of Li, like weight gain and getting more hypothyroid, so I took only 2 120mg tablets a day. Obviously too low, even though I was only at 600mg of the carbonate. I went hypomanic in a week, stuck it out and by week 3 was buying whole nursery pallets of flowers and expensive planting implements and truckloads of compost and pumps and ponds for my multiple waterfall garden projects, along with 6 huge slabs of foam and reams of material to make deck chair cushions (can never have too many, you know). It seemed like a good idea at the time.
>
> Of course, I crashed into major depression shortly thereafter. Went back on prescription Li and was fine in less than a week, although I never did complete that garden project or make the cushions.
>
> This time I'm taking 6 120mg tablets which is a little more than the 600mg of carbonate but I believe my mood is benefitting from the extra without noticing any side effects. I'm sleeping better and have even lost some weight. I'm also taking a research grade St. John's Wort which has helped very much with lingering depression. I hope this combo continues to work because so far it's been the most effective and problem free out of a very long list of trial and errors.
>
> So, just wanted to let get back to you and hope that all is still going well for you. - Barbara
>
>
>
> > Lithium orotate works very well for me in completely managing my bipolar disorder. You had posted that:
> >
> > > But anyway, on to the Lithium Orotate question.
> >
> > > I think it just doesn't work the way they say it does, especially for people with BP illness. Perhaps it's >good for the neuro protective qualities for people without BP, but not for us.
> >
> >
> > I'm interested in this topic because of my experience with lithium orotate. I'm interested in hearing who it does not work for and wondering what the different factors involved are. It does work extremely well for me. I would have possibly ventured a guess that maybe it doesn't work for those who have previously been on Rx lithium, since that was your case. Except the friend of ours who told me about lithium orotate had swtiched from lithium carbonate straight to lithium orotate. She is also doing very well, which is why she recommended it to me.
> >
> > I was not doing particularly well on anything. I have a long history with this illness. I'd been on a number of med cocktails. When I began on lithium orotate, I had been on depakote and wellbutrin. Of everthing I have taken, lithium orotate has worked the best for me. Maybe I'm more sensitive to side effects or something and some of those other meds would have worked fine if I had been able to tolerate the side effects. I'm not sure.
> >
> > Anyway, I'm just interested in what the different factors involved are that make a difference because I know that lithium orotate can work extremely well. Is BP subtype a factor? I am BPII but our friend is BPI. What other factors might be involved I wonder? Of course, the bottom line on all this stuff is that we are all different and nothing works for everyone.
> >
> > The truth is, I'm gearing up in case one of our kids turns out to be bipolar also. We don't know anything like that yet, but I know it is a distinct possibility as my father was bp as are other relatives on his side. In case we have to deal with this, I was thinking that lithium orotate was the answer to the whole bp problem with it being so easy to use with the no side effects and such good results. I've always said I'd never put one of our kids through what I had to go through and with lithium orotate, they wouldn't have to go through all that. But then I see a post like yours where it just plain didn't work and I start to wonder why.
> >
> > I'd be very interested in any thoughts you or anyone else might have regarding this.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> > --Sorry for the duplicate post on the other board. I just now noticed that Dr. Bob moved the thread to here.
>
>
Posted by katia on December 17, 2004, at 1:34:48
In reply to Re: Lithium Orotate » Barbaracat, posted by Rob25 on December 16, 2004, at 22:40:05
Hey ya'll!
Dman! I just ordered SJW today! I don't want to get manic over it. Like you Rob. But I'm on Trileptal too.
I think that this light box is making me slightly manic....
anyone else have this experience?I just bought a GREAT red dress for my Grandmother's 100th b. day party in Miami!!! It took my five freakin hours to find something to fit into my BIIIIIIIGGGGG bottom.
I can be an ugly duckling one minute and the next the beautiful swan. it's uncanny. kinda like bipolar swings...but I don't have a red dress now I do!
Barb, do you find that SJW causes mania? I seriously hope not!
Katia
Posted by barbaracat on December 17, 2004, at 14:35:21
In reply to Re: Lithium Orotate » Barbaracat, posted by Rob25 on December 16, 2004, at 22:40:05
Hi Rob,
Well, unfortunately Li Orotate did not continue with it's positive start and I had to return to Li Carbonate, which is fine because I can tolerate it and only need 600mg for efficacy. I was taking 900mg Li Orotate and after about 4 weeks began to notice the unmistakable signs of an agitated depression beginning. Li Carbonate again took away those symptoms within 1 week and I've finally learned my lesson. Lithium Carbonate is my friend and I shall never again let my stash run dry.I also take fish oil, and inositol (myo-inositol from Jarrow) which I believe helps alot. Also taurine. I take my magnesium as Mg-taurate which I figure is getting more of a mood stabilizing hit. I'm looking to find a good multivitamin/mineral complex that is not fractionalized but in a bioassimilable form because I don't seem to absorb the usual synthesized forms very well. There's a liquid product called Panacea that promises to deliver.
I've got an appointment with a naturopathic doctor who works in a clinic specializing in mood disorders. Going to get the krypto-pyrroluria, methylization, etc. etc. tests done. Sure hope they find something!
Part of the tricky stuff is if you metabolize one way, one set of B vitamins will work, if you metabolize another, they will be detrimental if what the Pfeiffer Institute says is true. But I seem to do well on fish oil, folate, and B6 so it's probably not pyrroluria (which I am SURE my father had).
So, glad the orotate is working for you and best of luck and happy holidays - always a challenging time even for the sanest of us. - Barbara
Posted by katia on December 17, 2004, at 14:51:22
In reply to Re: Lithium Orotate » Rob25, posted by barbaracat on December 17, 2004, at 14:35:21
Hi Barb,
I believe that metabolizing stuff is true. That's the type of nutritionist I saw. his website www.bloodph.com and that book I showed you "The Nutrition Solution" by Kristal and Haig.It's one avenue of support in all this. A naturpath that specializes in mood disorders is just what I need.
I went in to see my pdoc like a good little girl to find out if I'm using my lightbox effectively and to find out more about SJW and Li. Orotate. His answer to all the above questions was "I don't know". It was a very telling session that costs my credit card $115. It was a joke. He works strictly on pharma meds alone and that is all he knows. I got no input from him at all, other than yes I could phase out Paxil and add SJW. I figured my payment for the sessions go towards the free meds he gives me.I really want to work with someone who knows about pharma and holistic methods - integral. An ideal pdoc would work WITH a holistic naturopath don't you think?
Anyone know of this in the BAy Area of Cal?
Posted by barbaracat on December 17, 2004, at 14:57:30
In reply to Li Or. and Light Boxes » Rob25, posted by katia on December 17, 2004, at 1:34:48
Katia,
You do not, I repeat YOU DO NOT have a big bottom!!!!!! I'm sure that red dress is gonna look bitchin'. But I do know about the ugly duckling/swan thing. I think bipolar and depression does something weird with the face muscles and brings out bad hair day genes.Does SJW make one manic? When I first started taking it (start slow, BTW, only 1 the first week, 2 the second and stop there for a while to see how it goes). I definitely felt a lift, a nice little buzz like that first nice buzzy feeling from a bump up in Lamictal. I felt a little hypomanic, but in a nice way and then it smoothed out. I was trying all different sorts and the one I started out on was the Perika form (HBC Protocols uses the Indena form - different pharaceutical companies and formulations). Perika, I found out is the most activating and then Kira, so they're not the ones we want. I also tried Flora brand whole herb infused in olive oil and I think I liked that one alot, it was very gentle. I was taking 2 Flora's along with the 2 HBC's and then ran out of Flora.
To answer your question, if I take 3 HBCs a day I feel irritated and unsettled. It goes away when I just take 2, which is probably due to the bipolar thing.
I'm going to try an experiment and order some of the Flora again. No one knows how the heck SJW works, some say its the hypericin content, others say the hyperformin, but no one knows. I figure I'll cover all my bases and add a full spectrum brand, maybe adding 1 extra Flora since I seem to be strugging with some low-level depression blahs. This combo made me feel the best: 2 of the HBC and 2 of the Flora. I'll have to experiment on dosages. I need a set of test tubes for Christmas.
When are you going to your Grandma's Birthday party? And don't forget, if a gorgeous gal in a red dress didn't have some kind of a hypomanic wild streak going, everyone at the party would be disappointed!
Hey ya'll!
> Dman! I just ordered SJW today! I don't want to get manic over it. Like you Rob. But I'm on Trileptal too.
> I think that this light box is making me slightly manic....
> anyone else have this experience?
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> I just bought a GREAT red dress for my Grandmother's 100th b. day party in Miami!!! It took my five freakin hours to find something to fit into my BIIIIIIIGGGGG bottom.
> I can be an ugly duckling one minute and the next the beautiful swan. it's uncanny. kinda like bipolar swings...but I don't have a red dress now I do!
> Barb, do you find that SJW causes mania? I seriously hope not!
> Katia
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