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Posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 18, 2003, at 3:38:59
Does mixing a lot of omega 3 pills with my vitamins and supplements cause any problems? Just checking because something I briefly read.
And why do people still use fish oil instead of going with Omega 3?
Posted by JLx on November 21, 2003, at 11:01:11
In reply to Do mixing things cancel each other out?, posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 18, 2003, at 3:38:59
> Does mixing a lot of omega 3 pills with my vitamins and supplements cause any problems? Just checking because something I briefly read.
>
> And why do people still use fish oil instead of going with Omega 3?Fish oil IS an omega-3 oil. Are you talking about a particular brand?
I've read not to take magnesium with a high fat meal, so I don't take mine when I take fish oil.
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 21, 2003, at 12:02:41
In reply to Re: Do mixing things cancel each other out? » Wolf Dreamer, posted by JLx on November 21, 2003, at 11:01:11
I thought there were fish oils that existed for other reasons.
Omega 3 from fish oil extract is what I take. I somehow thought some people just took raw fish oils, but now that my lazy brain spends a moment to think about that, that is rediculous. Oh well.
I hope to finally get my magnesium taurate in this week. I ordered it from http://www.myvitanet.com and after more than a week with no word on them shipping it, I emailed a complaint to them. They then emailed confirmation that they were shipping it then, apparently having forgotten. No telling whats going on down there.
I ordered it 13 days ago, so it should've arrived by now.
If that doesn't work, I'm screwed until they decide to let humans get their amygdala removed. I'll start another topic about that.
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 24, 2003, at 13:09:28
In reply to Re: Do mixing things cancel each other out? » Wolf Dreamer, posted by JLx on November 21, 2003, at 11:01:11
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=magnesium+fish+oil
The government says to mix the two to get rid of migraines. I see a link to a post on these boards where it says something about affecting the absorption.
If I'm suppose to take Omega 3 three times a day with meals, and Magnesium Taurate 4 times a day with meals, then obviously I can not take them seperately, less I be eating 7 times a day.
I'll have to read through some of that some other time. I just logged on because I remembered something about needing calcium with the magnesium, however the coldcure site says calcium is bad... or something. Ack! Somebody give me a simple recipe to fix my brain already. Maybe if the blueberry leaf thing works well for people, it'll instantly cure me as well. The 16 things I'm taking daily now haven't done it all yet.
Posted by JLx on November 24, 2003, at 16:39:52
In reply to Magnesium taurate and fish oil.. helpful or doom?, posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 24, 2003, at 13:09:28
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=magnesium+fish+oil
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> The government says to mix the two to get rid of migraines. I see a link to a post on these boards where it says something about affecting the absorption.
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> If I'm suppose to take Omega 3 three times a day with meals, and Magnesium Taurate 4 times a day with meals, then obviously I can not take them seperately, less I be eating 7 times a day.I read in Carolyn Dean's "The Miracle of Magnesium" not to take magnesium with a high fat meal. What is considered high fat? To be on the safe side, I take my fish oil all at once (9 gm) with a meal with fat (like eggs) and then take magnesium the rest of the day. I also take it on an empty stomach sometimes, or with something small like a piece of fruit. I can feel it when I do this, so I don't believe it's just sitting there in my stomach.
I would guess that splitting each one up like that wouldn't be a problem, but you might want to ask Larry.
> I'll have to read through some of that some other time. I just logged on because I remembered something about needing calcium with the magnesium, however the coldcure site says calcium is bad... or something. Ack!I ate a high calcium diet for many years, and also drank a lot of soda so it was high phosphorus too, while eating very little magnesium foods. From this, calcium became problematical. (Eby's site explains how this might happen.) I had a calcium kidney stone, for instance. Now when I take too much, I get weird.
Most people do not, however. They find calcium relaxing. You'll have to experiment probably to see what feels good.>Somebody give me a simple recipe to fix my brain already. Maybe if the blueberry leaf thing works well for people, it'll instantly cure me as well. The 16 things I'm taking daily now haven't done it all yet.
What are the symptoms of your diagnosis? Have you gone about it systematically?
I found the checklist on the Amen site to be quite helpful. http://www.brainplace.com/bp/checklist/
Is there a naturopath or alternative med physician you could go to? This site has a Directory of Alternative Mental Health Practitioners, Facilities, Organizations, and Experts. http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/directory/
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 24, 2003, at 17:03:17
In reply to Re: Magnesium taurate and fish oil.. helpful or doom? » Wolf Dreamer, posted by JLx on November 24, 2003, at 16:39:52
The amen checklist is for attention deficiet disorder. Anyone with the patience to sit through that many questions doesn't have a problem. I gave up after a dozen or so.
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How long did it take for the magnesium taurate to work?
Why do I need fish oil? I've been taking that for over 2 months now, and it hasn't done anything.
I'm thinking differant people have anxiety caused by various things, sometimes a difficiency in something or another which these things would then help.
Mine is caused by post tramatic stress disorder from being bullied constantly when younger. Others posted the same thing when I mentioned it in an older topic.
Did any of those who have it from being bullied or something other tramatic, get results with anything at all?
--I started taking magnesium taurate Friday night when I got it with some other things, and I take phosphorus since I read that helps to and the bottle says to take it 4 times a day also. I got zinc, boron, and potassium with that order as well, reading how I needed them. I take those once a day with my many other things.
Here is everything I'm currently taking:
Magnesium Taurate 400 mg
ActiSorb Potassium 99 mg
Complexed Phosphorus 200 mg
Chelated Zinc, 30 mg
boronBiotin - 50mcg - 90 Tablets
Sage Leaf - 450 mg - 100 CapsulesBacopa - Pure Extract 250 mg
Tryptophan
Omega 3 fish oil 1000mg
CO Q 10 150mg
E 1000 IU
Selenium 200mcg
B12 1000mcg
Vitamin B complex
Posted by JLx on November 24, 2003, at 18:42:10
In reply to Re: Magnesium taurate and fish oil.. helpful or doom? » JLx, posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 24, 2003, at 17:03:17
> The amen checklist is for attention deficiet disorder. Anyone with the patience to sit through that many questions doesn't have a problem. I gave up after a dozen or so.
I've never been diagnosed with ADD, but I still found the checklist helpful in giving me some new ideas about how my brain may be working improperly. Too bad you couldn't make it through, as I think you may have found some valuable feedback there.
> How long did it take for the magnesium taurate to work?
What do you want it to remedy?
> Why do I need fish oil? I've been taking that for over 2 months now, and it hasn't done anything.
Why did you start taking it? It's hard to know what to take and for what condition without pinpointing as many facts as you can about your condition/symptoms, I should think. It will be hard to evaluate efficacy too, if you don't keep track of what you're taking, for what reason, and then looking again at your symptoms as you experiment.
> I'm thinking differant people have anxiety caused by various things, sometimes a difficiency in something or another which these things would then help.
>
> Mine is caused by post tramatic stress disorder from being bullied constantly when younger. Others posted the same thing when I mentioned it in an older topic.I recall that thread. I can't think that the cause/beginning of one's problems should have that much of an impact on what may work.
> Did any of those who have it from being bullied or something other tramatic, get results with anything at all?What is it you have? Anxiety? PTSD? Have you searched the archives here specifically for what others recommend for those?
> I started taking magnesium taurate Friday night when I got it with some other things, and I take phosphorus since I read that helps to and the bottle says to take it 4 times a day also. I got zinc, boron, and potassium with that order as well, reading how I needed them. I take those once a day with my many other things.
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> Here is everything I'm currently taking:
> Magnesium Taurate 400 mg
> ActiSorb Potassium 99 mg
> Complexed Phosphorus 200 mg
> Chelated Zinc, 30 mg
> boron
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> Biotin - 50mcg - 90 Tablets
> Sage Leaf - 450 mg - 100 Capsules
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> Bacopa - Pure Extract 250 mg
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> Tryptophan
> Omega 3 fish oil 1000mg
> CO Q 10 150mg
> E 1000 IU
> Selenium 200mcg
> B12 1000mcg
> Vitamin B complexYou might ask Larry when he comes back for his assessment of that combo.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 25, 2003, at 7:43:06
In reply to Re: Magnesium taurate and fish oil.. helpful or doom? » Wolf Dreamer, posted by JLx on November 24, 2003, at 16:39:52
> What are the symptoms of your diagnosis? Have you gone about it systematically?
>
> I found the checklist on the Amen site to be quite helpful. http://www.brainplace.com/bp/checklist/Jehosephat! (or however you spell that)
I've always identified with some of the concepts suggested as symptomatic of ADD, but I never really applied them to myself. I just did the checklist, and I have two highly probables.
When I looked at the dietary recommendations etc., Amen is recommending the very things that I already know work best for me.....
I'm going to have to think about this some more....
Lar
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 25, 2003, at 8:23:20
In reply to Re: Aaacckk! » JLx, posted by Larry Hoover on November 25, 2003, at 7:43:06
Took the test, and its crap.
They ask a lot of questions that could relate to a large number of things.
ADD Combined Type Not Probable
ADD Inattentive Type Highly Probable
Cingulate System Hyperactivity May be possible
Limbic System Hyperactivity Not Probable
Basal Ganglia Hyperactivity Probable
Temporal Lobe System May be possibleInattentive type discribed as" Additional symptoms for this subtype include: excessive daydreaming, frequent complaints of being bored, appearing apathetic or unmotivated, appearing frequently sluggish or slow moving or appearing spacey or internally preoccupied -- the classic "couch potato."
What? You mean not everyone in high school was bored out of their mind with nothing to do? Maybe if someone went to a real school, instead of a crappy public one like me, then they wouldn't see almost the entire student body bored sensless with the lame and meaningless classes everyone knows they will never use in life, nor even remember, and having no interest in them anyway. That means no one is going to be anything but "excessive daydreaming, frequent complaints of being bored, appearing apathetic or unmotivated, appearing frequently sluggish or slow moving or appearing spacey or internally preoccupied"
Anyway, I haven't felt bored in years. I have no trouble entertaining myself with my daydreaming ability, or doing creative writing, programming, or searching for interesting stuff on the net. And what is excessive daydreaming? Everyone daydreams don't they? The test is nonsense.
As for as the recommendations about changing your diet, you could've read that anywhere. It fits perfectly for the cure for almost anything you could have.
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 25, 2003, at 8:31:30
In reply to Re: Magnesium taurate and fish oil.. helpful or doom? » Wolf Dreamer, posted by JLx on November 24, 2003, at 18:42:10
> > How long did it take for the magnesium taurate to work?
>
> What do you want it to remedy?Anxiety of course.
> > Why do I need fish oil? I've been taking that for over 2 months now, and it hasn't done anything.
>
> Why did you start taking it? It's hard to know what to take and for what condition without pinpointing as many facts as you can about your condition/symptoms, I should think. It will be hard to evaluate efficacy too, if you don't keep track of what you're taking, for what reason, and then looking again at your symptoms as you experiment.I'm taking all of it for anxiety.
> > I'm thinking differant people have anxiety caused by various things, sometimes a difficiency in something or another which these things would then help.
> >
> > Mine is caused by post tramatic stress disorder from being bullied constantly when younger. Others posted the same thing when I mentioned it in an older topic.
>
> I recall that thread. I can't think that the cause/beginning of one's problems should have that much of an impact on what may work.
Most anxiety seems caused by a deficiency in something. Taking that thing, be it B6, Omega 3, magnesium or whatever, cures the deficiency and gets rid of the anxiety for those people. Obviously the cause of anxiety determines what treatments will work. Since mine is caused by something other than any deficiency, none of this other stuff is apparently doing any good.
> > Did any of those who have it from being bullied or something other tramatic, get results with anything at all?
>
> What is it you have? Anxiety? PTSD? Have you searched the archives here specifically for what others recommend for those?
I said Post Tramatic Stress Disorder in my previous post you quoted. That is PTSD. PTSD, anxiety, whatever you want to call it, all the same to me. And I've been trying everything people recommended in the months since I first found this place. The only thing left to try is the blueberry leaf extract. I'll order it today and add it to the things I'm taking.
Posted by JLx on November 25, 2003, at 10:05:39
In reply to Re: Aaacckk! » JLx, posted by Larry Hoover on November 25, 2003, at 7:43:06
Posted by JLx on November 25, 2003, at 10:37:28
In reply to Re: Aaacckk!, posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 25, 2003, at 8:23:20
> Took the test, and its crap.
>
> They ask a lot of questions that could relate to a large number of things.
>
> ADD Combined Type Not Probable
> ADD Inattentive Type Highly Probable
> Cingulate System Hyperactivity May be possible
> Limbic System Hyperactivity Not Probable
> Basal Ganglia Hyperactivity Probable
> Temporal Lobe System May be possible
>
> Inattentive type discribed as" Additional symptoms for this subtype include: excessive daydreaming, frequent complaints of being bored, appearing apathetic or unmotivated, appearing frequently sluggish or slow moving or appearing spacey or internally preoccupied -- the classic "couch potato."I'm sorry you found it so without value but re your comment, the description of the type is implied by the number of questions answered affirmatively, I should think. What you listed are merely additional symptoms that may or may not apply, or may be moderated by lack of severity of the condition. Were you offended by the possibility of "Inattentive ADD"? I had that category come up as "highly probable" too, and I was pleased to have a new insight.
I asked my sister to take the test about me, as Amen says they do in the clinic, and found she had some some slightly different categories come up with one exception. This tells me that those symptoms that brought up that condition are obvious to others as well as being part of my subjective experience.
In general, it reinforced some of what I already knew and suggested other explanations for why something has or hasn't worked in the past, and why a combination of interventions may be necessary rather than a single effort. This was very valuable to me as I might have tried to save money by eliminating something otherwise.
> As for as the recommendations about changing your diet, you could've read that anywhere. It fits perfectly for the cure for almost anything you could have.It's true that many people recommend avoiding sugar/insulin/mood swings through a higher protein/low carb diet, but it's not true that this is the diet recommended for every condition. For limbic problems, for instance, Dr. Amen recommends carbo snacks to boost serotonin.
Posted by JLx on November 25, 2003, at 11:31:03
In reply to Re: Magnesium taurate and fish oil.. helpful or doom? » JLx, posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 25, 2003, at 8:31:30
> > I recall that thread. I can't think that the cause/beginning of one's problems should have that much of an impact on what may work.
> Most anxiety seems caused by a deficiency in something. Taking that thing, be it B6, Omega 3, magnesium or whatever, cures the deficiency and gets rid of the anxiety for those people.I don't believe it works that way. The human body, especially the mind/body connection is more complicated that that, imo. I think it's more likely, for instance, that certain environmental stressors such as psychological abuse, highlight whatever inefficiencies we may have in our body's metabolic pathways or stress reactions, and our emotional/mental pathways as well, so that we "discover" a problem. So then, the solution lies not just in correcting one thing, but probably will be in a combination of things. No amount of antidepressive substances will make me a happy person, I know, if I am determined to be unhappy. One way I might "be determined to be unhappy" is to not remind myself to be grateful for what I have, for instance. These are the kinds of things I had to learn in therapy and elsewhere through the years.
By the same token, not getting something my body needs, which for me for a long time was magnesium, doesn't ALLOW me the chance to get mentally healthy no matter how much I try to change my thoughts because something essential to my brain chemistry working right ISN'T working right. Magnesium keeps me from having suicidal thoughts for instance, no matter how depressed I get. (Or such has been my recent experience.)
Conversely, I had an interesting experience lately where I took the absolute wrong amino acid for me apparently, and had suicide ideation in one day. I thought, "Whoa, where did that come from?" I took a counteracting amino acid and felt better shortly thereafter. So, sometimes, yes, I think a supplement -- if we can find the "right" one or combination -- can appear to cure something, but only IF we WERE deficient or out of whack wrt to that particular substance in the first place. But usually, one supplement is a small cog in the wheel and won't have an impact all by itself. Just as negative-thought-control can't solve the whole problem by itself either. (Or such has been my experience.)
>Obviously the cause of anxiety determines what treatments will work. Since mine is caused by something other than any deficiency, none of this other stuff is apparently doing any good.
Personally, I don't think it works that way. Whether one has PTSD/anxiety from bullying when young or war combat, the biology is going to be similar, (heightened stress response due to the adrenals/cortisol, etc). It's the biology of our bodies that IS "us", and it's the biology of our bodies (and minds) that is altered by extreme events. Change the biology (which is something we can do only to a limited degree, imo, due to our underlying genetic make-up) and we change our mental/emotional reactions AND/OR change our mental/emotional reactions and we change our biology. (There was a study recently where Tibetan monks demonstrated definite changes to the brain while meditating, for instance.)
> I said Post Tramatic Stress Disorder in my previous post you quoted. That is PTSD. PTSD, anxiety, whatever you want to call it, all the same to me. And I've been trying everything people recommended in the months since I first found this place. The only thing left to try is the blueberry leaf extract. I'll order it today and add it to the things I'm taking.I notice you don't have niacinamide (beyond what's in a B complex) on your list, which has been recommended quite often on this board for anxiety.
And why are you taking so much additional phosphorus? 800 mg in addition to what's ingested in the diet is a very high amount, imo. Do you eat meat, drink sodas? Then you're probably already getting plenty. http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=article&ID=2061
And since calcium is calming for most people, you might try adding that too, especially if you continue to take that much phosophorus.
According to The Analyst site, the best thing you can do is avoid sugar. http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:vhDpKP1YCIYJ:www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C58563.html+phosphorus+anxiety&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 25, 2003, at 11:41:54
In reply to Re: Magnesium taurate and fish oil.. helpful or doom? » Wolf Dreamer, posted by JLx on November 25, 2003, at 11:31:03
The coldcure site everyone went on about said I needed phosphorus, and various other things I ordered with the magnesium taurate. It also said calcium was bad, and those who posted in the calcium/magnesium ratio thread seemed to agree. I had been taking calcium for some time now, and only stopped last Friday or Saturday. It had calcium 1200mg along with 400mg of vitamin D.
I just ordered Choline, Blueberry Leaf, and Vitamin K.
You get choline from egg yokes, but I only eat the whites. It is suppose to help anxiety, and help with memory or something... good for the brain.
Calcium is suppose to block magnesium from working, so everyone should stop it... or is it only if you get too much? The long thread where people discused it got a bit confusing. How much calcium do you take each day?
Posted by tealady on November 25, 2003, at 16:57:23
In reply to Re: Aaacckk! » JLx, posted by Larry Hoover on November 25, 2003, at 7:43:06
Posted by JLx on November 25, 2003, at 16:57:40
In reply to Re: Magnesium taurate and fish oil.. helpful or doom?, posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 25, 2003, at 11:41:54
> The coldcure site everyone went on about said I needed phosphorus, and various other things I ordered with the magnesium taurate. It also said calcium was bad, and those who posted in the calcium/magnesium ratio thread seemed to agree. I had been taking calcium for some time now, and only stopped last Friday or Saturday. It had calcium 1200mg along with 400mg of vitamin D.
I don't see that about needing extra phosphorus on Eby's site. He talks a lot about the ratio of minerals and how they affect each other. Taking that much calcium and then taking less, while increasing magnesium, should feel better IF you were magnesium deficient and calcium-excessive. If it doesn't feel any different after a month or two, then that probably wasn't the case.
>
> I just ordered Choline, Blueberry Leaf, and Vitamin K.
>
> You get choline from egg yokes, but I only eat the whites. It is suppose to help anxiety, and help with memory or something... good for the brain.
>
> Calcium is suppose to block magnesium from working, so everyone should stop it... or is it only if you get too much? The long thread where people discused it got a bit confusing. How much calcium do you take each day?I don't think "everyone should stop it" at all. Whether someone should stop it depends on how much you're getting in your diet, how it feels, etc.
I don't take much at all, but I KNOW that I am sensitive to it. (I was getting excessive calcium for many years to the point of a calcium kidney stone.)
I think when it comes to this alternative-nutritional approach to mood disorders, that the devil (and the remedy!) is in the DETAILS. Taking too much of one thing may throw off the balance of another thing, for instance. I get impatient sometimes with trying to figure out all of these interrelated factors, but in general, the more I learn, the more attention I pay to the details, the better I do with my self-diagnosis and self-treatment.
Posted by JLx on November 26, 2003, at 18:30:06
In reply to Re: Aaacckk! Same results too (nm) » Larry Hoover, posted by tealady on November 25, 2003, at 16:57:23
Just ran across this in this article by James South, http://smart-drugs.net/ias-attentiondeficit.htm
"An important objective measurement of impaired concentration and alertness is the EEG (electroencephalogram) record. In 1991 J. Lubar published his results of 15 years of EEG research on ADD subjects. Comparing ADD children to normal controls, he discovered that ADD children "...produce excessive theta activity in the 4-8 Hz [cycles/second] range and were particularly deficient in beta [14 Hz and above] production .... Specifically, increased theta activity was obtained in many [brain regions] particularly frontal and centrally .... Decreased beta activity was found in many frontal and temporal locations." (74) EEG is a measure of brain electrical activity. Theta (slow wave activity) is typical of deeply sedated mental states, while beta is associated with concentration and focused mental activity. Saletu and Grunberger report that "Human brain function as measured by ... [EEG] shows significant alterations in normal and pathological aging characterized by an increase of [slow wave] delta and theta activity and a decrease of alpha and … beta [fast wave] activity…. These changes are indicative of deficits in the vigilance regulatory systems. By the term vigilance we [mean] the …dynamic state of total neural activity [remember - concentration is a whole brain activity] …. Elderly subjects with bad memory exhibit slower [EEG] activity and less … beta activity than those with good memory …. nootropic drugs such as … vincamine alkaloids [vinpocetine & vincamine] induce interestingly just oppositional changes [to the age-related slowing of EEG waves] in human brain function, thereby improving vigilance [and attention]." (75) Two things follow from this:
1) both the normal and pathological aging brain become more and more like an ADD child's brain; and
2) Vinpocetine can reverse these ADD-like brain states to more normal alert and attentive brain states!"
We become more ADD-like as we age? Have you ever tried vinpocetine? I didn't see too much about it on this board. I see it's not prohibitively expensive.
I was really dismayed at my decreased memory and ability to learn recently taking the tax class. I never felt so slow and lousy at something where I tried so hard. Very scary. (I'm 49)
Posted by DSCH on November 27, 2003, at 21:47:12
In reply to Re: Aaacckk! » JLx, posted by Larry Hoover on November 25, 2003, at 7:43:06
> > What are the symptoms of your diagnosis? Have you gone about it systematically?
> >
> > I found the checklist on the Amen site to be quite helpful. http://www.brainplace.com/bp/checklist/
>
> Jehosephat! (or however you spell that)
>
> I've always identified with some of the concepts suggested as symptomatic of ADD, but I never really applied them to myself. I just did the checklist, and I have two highly probables.
>
> When I looked at the dietary recommendations etc., Amen is recommending the very things that I already know work best for me.....
>
> I'm going to have to think about this some more....
>
> LarI did it again recently. Highly probable on inattentive-type (pre-frontal, non-hyperactive), cingulate, and limbic. Somewhat probable on temporal lobe.
Amen doesn't seem to have caught on to usefulness of TMG though.
Posted by DSCH on November 27, 2003, at 21:50:56
In reply to Re: Aaacckk! Larry Hoover » tealady, posted by JLx on November 26, 2003, at 18:30:06
> Just ran across this in this article by James South, http://smart-drugs.net/ias-attentiondeficit.htm
The flip side of this is that the theta state can be a very creative one.
There have been times where I have had solutions to problems and very interesting perspective shifts on things while half-awake, when theta is supposed to be particularly dominant.
Posted by JLx on November 28, 2003, at 8:52:43
In reply to Theta vs. Beta » JLx, posted by DSCH on November 27, 2003, at 21:50:56
> > Just ran across this in this article by James South, http://smart-drugs.net/ias-attentiondeficit.htm
>
> The flip side of this is that the theta state can be a very creative one.
>
> There have been times where I have had solutions to problems and very interesting perspective shifts on things while half-awake, when theta is supposed to be particularly dominant.Hm....well, I don't feel more creative at all, just like my brain is made of teflon when I try to learn and remember something.
I used to have a Hemi-sync tape that I bought from my therapist that was for relaxation that was so useful that I wore it out. I wonder if now I might benefit from something similar for learning/concentration.
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 28, 2003, at 10:02:30
In reply to Re: Theta vs. Beta » DSCH, posted by JLx on November 28, 2003, at 8:52:43
What was the name of this hemi-sync tape you mentioned?
Anyone know of any good ones that work?
Although I seem to be making a lot of improvement with my anxiety, I would still not hesitate to try anything new to speed things along.
Posted by tealady on November 28, 2003, at 12:10:11
In reply to Re: Aaacckk! Larry Hoover » tealady, posted by JLx on November 26, 2003, at 18:30:06
I get my EEG resuls (I hope) next week. I'll let you know what they say...hopefully something!
I was told I kept falling asleep apparently whenever I relaxed for a while(I knew I was doing this). I don't know if she recorded this.
I'm really dismayed at my decreased memory and ability to learn too...it is improving, but a long way to go...and I have the last 5 years tax still to do!<g>
Jan
Posted by DSCH on November 28, 2003, at 14:36:19
In reply to Re: Theta vs. Beta » DSCH, posted by JLx on November 28, 2003, at 8:52:43
> > > Just ran across this in this article by James South, http://smart-drugs.net/ias-attentiondeficit.htm
> >
> > The flip side of this is that the theta state can be a very creative one.
> >
> > There have been times where I have had solutions to problems and very interesting perspective shifts on things while half-awake, when theta is supposed to be particularly dominant.
>
> Hm....well, I don't feel more creative at all, just like my brain is made of teflon when I try to learn and remember something.
>
> I used to have a Hemi-sync tape that I bought from my therapist that was for relaxation that was so useful that I wore it out. I wonder if now I might benefit from something similar for learning/concentration.Give a shout out to Ame Sans Vie, he is trying binaural beat therapy.
Posted by JLx on November 29, 2003, at 4:32:29
In reply to Re: Theta vs. Beta » JLx, posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 28, 2003, at 10:02:30
I don't remember. I don't even know what happened to it.
That was 15 years ago anyway. My guess is that that particular "formula" is no longer being produced. Hemi-sync tapes used to be sold only through therapists I believe, but now you can get them on their website...hundreds of them. I'm thinking of buying another too.
What I liked about it is that it was relaxing without any conscious effort on my part. I only had to listen.
Glad to hear something is working for your anxiety, btw.
> What was the name of this hemi-sync tape you mentioned?
>
> Anyone know of any good ones that work?
>
> Although I seem to be making a lot of improvement with my anxiety, I would still not hesitate to try anything new to speed things along.
>
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Posted by JLx on November 29, 2003, at 5:25:44
In reply to Re: Theta vs. Beta » JLx, posted by DSCH on November 28, 2003, at 14:36:19
> Give a shout out to Ame Sans Vie, he is trying binaural beat therapy.He is doing it himself, I believe, through computer software. I don't think I have the patience/expertise for that. I'm thinking of buying a Hemi-sync tape as that's what I had before. My body has undergone a lot of changes in the last 15 years so it will be interesting to see how it might affect me differently. I just wish I hadn't lost or lent to someone or whatever happened to it, the old one.
It was most remarkable how that tape made me feel. It had a sequence where it felt like you were being taken down....like diving underwater and just swimming down, down, down, lolling around down there for a while and then being brought back up to the surface again. Only when I was "down" I was actually visualizing myself flying above the earth, like on a magic carpet ride. :) It was very relaxing and mind-freeing while at the same time, different insights or awareness would pop into my head. I had a couple people try listening to it just to see if my experience was unique (I'm very hypnotizable, I already know) and at the least they found it relaxing and one woman found it similar to the sensation of having had a few drinks (though the affect wore off very quickly).
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