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Posted by Ron Jones on November 21, 2003, at 13:48:21
They say it stops mania by regulating calcium.It is a hormone found in the body.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 22, 2003, at 7:13:48
In reply to Larry find out about Calcitonin for Bi polar., posted by Ron Jones on November 21, 2003, at 13:48:21
> They say it stops mania by regulating calcium.It is a hormone found in the body.
And, being a hormone, it is in a complex inter-relationship with a host of other hormones. It does have an effect on manic behaviour, but it cannot be used for extended periods of time without major health disruptions.
Consider the hormone insulin. Shock therapy used to be done with insulin. But you can't do that for long, or too dramatically, or you'll kill them.
Lar
Posted by Ron Jones on November 22, 2003, at 13:04:52
In reply to Re: Larry find out about Calcitonin for Bi polar. » Ron Jones, posted by Larry Hoover on November 22, 2003, at 7:13:48
There is a book called Manic Depressive Illness by Fredrick Goodwin and it says a doctor used dht to increase intracellular calcium in the brain cells of bi polar people.They became manic and then he used the calcitonin to stop the mania.This shows the role of calcium in bi polar illness.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 22, 2003, at 13:39:59
In reply to Re: Larry find out about Calcitonin for Bi polar., posted by Ron Jones on November 22, 2003, at 13:04:52
> There is a book called Manic Depressive Illness by Fredrick Goodwin and it says a doctor used dht to increase intracellular calcium in the brain cells of bi polar people.They became manic and then he used the calcitonin to stop the mania.This shows the role of calcium in bi polar illness.
Sure, but you wouldn't use calcitonin as a long-term treatment. One of lithium's effects is to modulate calcium flux. Same with valproic acid.
Lar
Posted by taylor18 on November 23, 2003, at 7:06:25
In reply to Re: Larry find out about Calcitonin for Bi polar. » Ron Jones, posted by Larry Hoover on November 22, 2003, at 13:39:59
How effectively do you think a 3 times daily of Lithium Orotate and some form of bioavailable Magnesium would be in combatting mania?
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 23, 2003, at 8:06:04
In reply to Re: Larry find out about Calcitonin for Bi polar., posted by taylor18 on November 23, 2003, at 7:06:25
> How effectively do you think a 3 times daily of Lithium Orotate and some form of bioavailable Magnesium would be in combatting mania?
My opinion is that using lithium orotate to combat active mania is ill advised. If lithium is your option, get a prescription.
Lar
Posted by Ron Jones on November 23, 2003, at 19:22:17
In reply to Re: Larry find out about Calcitonin for Bi polar., posted by taylor18 on November 23, 2003, at 7:06:25
lithium takes the place of mag. it will counteract the lithium.
Posted by Ron Jones on November 23, 2003, at 19:25:21
In reply to Re: Larry find out about Calcitonin for Bi polar. » Ron Jones, posted by Larry Hoover on November 22, 2003, at 13:39:59
the were able to induce mania by increaseing intracellular calcium .this is my main point here and that it stoped the mania by restoreing calcium homeostatis .I think this is key to the cause of manic depression.
Posted by taylor18 on November 24, 2003, at 0:05:41
In reply to Re:lithium orotate » taylor18, posted by Larry Hoover on November 23, 2003, at 8:06:04
My initial feeling to that response is that lithium carbonate has documented side effects while lithium orotate may have theoretical side effects, albeit of a different nature perhaps.
BTW, what are the reasons behind your avoidance of Lithium Orotate?
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 24, 2003, at 8:46:11
In reply to Re:lithium orotate, posted by taylor18 on November 24, 2003, at 0:05:41
> My initial feeling to that response is that lithium carbonate has documented side effects while lithium orotate may have theoretical side effects, albeit of a different nature perhaps.
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> BTW, what are the reasons behind your avoidance of Lithium Orotate?http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030530/msgs/230745.html
Orotic acid can also cause kidney damage.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 24, 2003, at 8:47:17
In reply to Re: Larry find out about Calcitonin for Bi polar., posted by Ron Jones on November 23, 2003, at 19:22:17
> lithium takes the place of mag. it will counteract the lithium.
There is yin and yang, pro and con, about everything, Ron.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 24, 2003, at 8:49:48
In reply to Re: Larry find out about Calcitonin for Bi polar., posted by Ron Jones on November 23, 2003, at 19:25:21
> the were able to induce mania by increaseing intracellular calcium .this is my main point here and that it stoped the mania by restoreing calcium homeostatis .I think this is key to the cause of manic depression.
There are many factors to consider...we know of other biochemical triggers. Just because we can make people manic doesn't mean we have figured out how it happens naturally. In any case, that also doesn't tell us how best to treat it. That is a separate inquiry altogether.
Lar
Posted by Ron Jones on November 24, 2003, at 16:55:09
In reply to Re: Larry find out about Calcitonin for Bi polar. » Ron Jones, posted by Larry Hoover on November 24, 2003, at 8:49:48
lithium takes the place of mag. as the co enzyme for the inositol phoshate enzyme.This inhibits the enzyme.
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