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Posted by Twinleaf on December 3, 2013, at 2:10:31
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.. » alexandra_k, posted by SLS on December 2, 2013, at 22:22:00
I have noticed these new elements also - Dr. Bob assuming the role of a kind of therapist in his interactions with some posters as well as presenting himself as an ethical and moral authority superior to the community of posters. Both of these roles are extremely dangerous and unethical for anyone to assume in an online forum, even if they only occur occasionally.
I continue to appreciate his support and his continuing to make the site available to us, but I would like very much to see him confine his activities to administrating Babble in a fair and moderate manner. This is by far the greatest gift he could give us.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2013, at 2:10:31
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.., posted by Twinleaf on December 2, 2013, at 22:48:31
you are very fortunate to be one of these people who is able to get appropriate therapy irl - are you not?
i think it is rather easier for one of these people to have sympathy for the position that bob should back the f*ck off and leave others to it.
if you were unable to get the therapy that you required then i think you might be a little more inclined to feel different.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2013, at 2:10:31
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.. » alexandra_k, posted by SLS on December 2, 2013, at 22:22:00
> it is uncivil to accuse former deputies of promoting antisemitism through inaction.
I think the idea is that those in positions of power should be MORE LIKELY to (or perhaps MORE CAPABLE OF) understanding that: hurting people do lash out, sometimes. or that hurting people do present themselves in ways that make (ordinary everyday people) less likely to help, sometimes. that, er, that was part of what it is to have mental health issues, even.
deputies... I thought... were picked because they were less likely to lash out in response to attack than other posters would be. why? because they were more likely to understand that sometimes hurting people do lash out (sometimes) than other people were.
but really... all this aside...
who do you think needs more help - lou - or those who lou hurts? who do you think is more likely to receive help irl?
it is easy to have empathy for...
those who it is easy to have empathy for.people...
typically...
disgust me.
sigh.
i suppose that is bad and wrong. but there it is.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2013, at 2:10:32
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.., posted by alexandra_k on December 2, 2013, at 23:29:13
god dammit.
if there are 'magic words' (and of course there are) then people better explicitly teach me.
because if interview is about (and i'm suspecting it is) willingness to contradict oneself / say something one knows to be false for the sake of human connection...
then the whole field can go f*ck itself.
for obvious reasons. i would have thought. as a person who actually cares about *health* rather than f*ck*ng happy puppy noises. for instance.
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 3, 2013, at 2:17:41
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.. » Twinleaf, posted by SLS on December 3, 2013, at 2:10:30
> Dr. Bob just confines himself to platitudes.
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> This is yet one more example of amazingly ineffective administration.
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> Twinleaf> the incivility of the one.
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> - ScottPlease don't post anything that could lead others (including me) to feel accused or put down.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by SLS on December 3, 2013, at 8:29:01
In reply to Re: please be civil » Twinleaf » SLS, posted by Dr. Bob on December 3, 2013, at 2:17:41
> > the incivility of the one.
> >
> > - Scott
> Please don't post anything that could lead others (including me) to feel accused or put down.Okay. I apologize.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on December 3, 2013, at 8:56:04
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.., posted by Twinleaf on December 3, 2013, at 2:10:31
The hospital here has now started advertising cyber consultations with nurses and docs. Demand for medical is higher than they can handle. It seems it will be the wave of the future. Phillipa
Posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 12:43:08
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.., posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2013, at 2:10:31
>people...
>typically...
>disgust me.
>sigh.
>i suppose that is bad and wrong. but there it is.
10/10
Posted by SLS on December 3, 2013, at 12:47:34
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.., posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 12:43:08
> >people...
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> >typically...
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> >disgust me.
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> >sigh.
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> >i suppose that is bad and wrong. but there it is.
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> 10/10What does "10/10" mean?
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on December 3, 2013, at 17:16:12
In reply to Re: If you find it depressing... » Twinleaf, posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2013, at 2:10:29
> About people learning how to handle sh*t being thrown at them.
I really don't understand why one should have to learn this. I manage to find sufficient places where sh*t is not flung at me, to wish to learn how to accept it gracefully.
And honestly if there were no place to go where sh*t would not be flung at me, I'd just as soon fulfill my lifelong dream of being a hermit.
I personally didn't become a deputy because I realized that people were likely to throw sh*t because they couldn't do any better. I personally believe people *can* be capable of better.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2013, at 17:23:02
In reply to Re: If you find it depressing..., posted by Dinah on December 3, 2013, at 17:16:12
> I really don't understand why one should have to learn this. I manage to find sufficient places where sh*t is not flung at me, to wish to learn how to accept it gracefully.
you are lucky that you were able to find a refuge.
> And honestly if there were no place to go where sh*t would not be flung at me, I'd just as soon fulfill my lifelong dream of being a hermit.
you are lucky if you can find a place where other people will leave you alone.
> I personally didn't become a deputy because I realized that people were likely to throw sh*t because they couldn't do any better. I personally believe people *can* be capable of better.
what if... someone can't. because of trauma, say. what if the only way they can learn is if... someone can put up with a little sh*t being thrown at them for a time.
?
Posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 17:50:24
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.. » sigismund, posted by SLS on December 3, 2013, at 12:47:34
It means I often feel like that, and it includes me as the object of the disgust.
I guess disgust is the right word.
Just something I feel a lot.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2013, at 17:56:00
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.. » SLS, posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 17:50:24
did you read "nausea"?
Posted by Phillipa on December 3, 2013, at 18:09:15
In reply to Re: If you find it depressing..., posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2013, at 17:23:02
Problem is from where I feel this thread began is goes on forever. Phillipa
Posted by Dinah on December 3, 2013, at 18:30:42
In reply to Re: If you find it depressing..., posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2013, at 17:23:02
And perhaps it can also be healthy to realize that one needn't put up with sh*t being hurled at them.
(There is also the question of how much is "a little" and "time to time".)
We have different tastes, Alex.
Posted by sigismund on December 3, 2013, at 19:28:42
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.., posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2013, at 17:56:00
When I was in my last year of school, yes, but I think I didn't get it at all. Same thing with The Catcher in the Rye at that age. I'm not sure why. Perhaps I needed it spelled out in black and white, which could be why I liked King Lear so much.
Posted by Toph on December 4, 2013, at 12:18:25
In reply to A very depressing thread.., posted by Twinleaf on December 3, 2013, at 2:10:27
The thread is exhausting to me because of the seemingly perpetual cycle of the community trying to change Lou, Lou trying to change Bob, and Bob trying to change the community. Around and around and around it goes.
Posted by Twinleaf on December 4, 2013, at 15:13:08
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.. » Twinleaf, posted by Toph on December 4, 2013, at 12:18:25
Yes, you described perfectly why it is so depressing and frustrating. It would be so nice if all this effort resulted in even a little growth or new thinking.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 4, 2013, at 16:00:13
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.. » Toph, posted by Twinleaf on December 4, 2013, at 15:13:08
i guess i just don't understand why people read these threads if they don't get anything from them. why they can't stop reading if they don't find it helpful. why they have this urge to post 'not helping ME! not helping ME!' equivalents repeatedly...
maybe it reminds me of the people who can't leave me alone... to do my thing... even when the whole wide world is out there open to them. they must interfere with me somehow. prevent me getting what i need. just because... they simply cannot leave me the crap alone.
Posted by Twinleaf on December 4, 2013, at 16:33:51
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.., posted by alexandra_k on December 4, 2013, at 16:00:13
At times it's important to me to express my opinion, including saying what would be rewarding for me - just as it is for you. It would be much nicer if you just ignored my posts, rather than repeatedly criticizing them. Every post I have written to you has had the aim of being understanding and supportive, although they apparently have not been received that way. Our thinking appears to be too different for us to be able to communicate effectively -I'm very sorry to have to come to that conclusion.
Posted by SLS on December 4, 2013, at 17:58:50
In reply to Re: A very depressing thread.., posted by alexandra_k on December 4, 2013, at 16:00:13
> i guess i just don't understand why people read these threads if they don't get anything from them.
Witnessing and participating in drama can be very stimulating. It is this stimulation that is the reward. To me, the sensation seems more primal than intellectual. Perhaps it serves to relieve the community of psychosocial tension or produces motivation where there is none.
- Scott
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2013, at 0:30:00
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on December 3, 2013, at 8:29:01
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2013, at 0:37:28
In reply to Re: If you find it depressing..., posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2013, at 17:23:02
> > I really don't understand why one should have to learn this. I manage to find sufficient places where sh*t is not flung at me, to wish to learn how to accept it gracefully.
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> you are lucky that you were able to find a refuge.Plus sometimes it's not other people, it's life. Has anyone here not had to deal with sh*t?
Bob
Posted by Dinah on December 5, 2013, at 11:29:08
In reply to Re: why one should have to learn this, posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2013, at 0:37:28
Yes, and so I do.
But I don't have to stay where people treat me badly, and I don't.
My cousin once told me that I was so lucky to find boyfriends who treated me with respect. I was astonished. It wouldn't have occurred to me to date anyone who didn't treat me with respect. For all my issues with my mother, she taught me how to behave and what to expect from others.
I loved Babble for what it once was, and the civility guidelines once in place. I appreciated a moderator who felt that people shouldn't have sh*t hurled at them. I suppose I stick around even now for lingering affection for that place and that moderator, despite my disappointment.
Posted by Dinah on December 5, 2013, at 11:50:22
In reply to Re: why one should have to learn this » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on December 5, 2013, at 11:29:08
Apparently this has changed from a place with a moderator who did not tolerate sh*t being thrown at others to a place with a therapist-in-chief who sees his mission as teaching people to shield themselves against sh*t being thrown *on his own website*.
It boggles my mind that there needs to be an answer to that beyond leaving his website.
Certainly it reinforces my own conclusions about Babble. That saddens me.
Although I recognize that it makes Alex happy.
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