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Posted by Twinleaf on September 2, 2013, at 19:01:07
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks, posted by Dr. Bob on August 30, 2013, at 22:12:03
I am disappointed to see the same formula for calculating blocks. It leads so rapidly to unconstructive months-long blocks for very minor issues. In the years that we have been discussing this, I don't believe I ever saw any poster support for this way of blocking. Almost everyone who has voiced an opinion has been in favor of short, occasional blocks. I have a terrible feeling that we are just wasting our time asking for any constructive changes. I feel that you are just toying with us.
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 3, 2013, at 12:37:37
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks » Dr. Bob, posted by Twinleaf on September 2, 2013, at 19:01:07
> I am disappointed to see the same formula for calculating blocks. It leads so rapidly to unconstructive months-long blocks for very minor issues. In the years that we have been discussing this, I don't believe I ever saw any poster support for this way of blocking. Almost everyone who has voiced an opinion has been in favor of short, occasional blocks. I have a terrible feeling that we are just wasting our time asking for any constructive changes. I feel that you are just toying with us.
I acknowledge and respect that you (and others) have different opinions about the formula. Reasonable people can disagree.
Regarding just this specific case, it wasn't a months-long block. Did you consider the issue very minor?
Bob
Posted by Twinleaf on September 3, 2013, at 14:22:59
In reply to Re: the formula, posted by Dr. Bob on September 3, 2013, at 12:37:37
No, I think a block was appropriate. I am just discouraged to see the old formula in operation, despite the extensive negative reaction towards it in this forum. It's true that this was not a months-long block, but, if you follow your formula, the next one will be. I think the most distressing part of this, for me, is that, despite years of negative opinion about your blocking policy, you suddenly start using exactly the same one again. Why not try out a more flexible, updated policy - one that has the support of at least some forum members?
Posted by alexandra_k on September 3, 2013, at 18:37:02
In reply to Re: the formula » Dr. Bob, posted by Twinleaf on September 3, 2013, at 14:22:59
> No, I think a block was appropriate. I am just discouraged to see the old formula in operation, despite the extensive negative reaction towards it in this forum. It's true that this was not a months-long block, but, if you follow your formula, the next one will be. I think the most distressing part of this, for me, is that, despite years of negative opinion about your blocking policy, you suddenly start using exactly the same one again. Why not try out a more flexible, updated policy - one that has the support of at least some forum members?
yes. about what was the critical mass before you started with the formula and the blocks that lasted eons in internet years.
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 4, 2013, at 14:15:09
In reply to Re: the formula » Dr. Bob, posted by Twinleaf on September 3, 2013, at 14:22:59
> No, I think a block was appropriate. I am just discouraged to see the old formula in operation, despite the extensive negative reaction towards it in this forum. It's true that this was not a months-long block, but, if you follow your formula, the next one will be. I think the most distressing part of this, for me, is that, despite years of negative opinion about your blocking policy, you suddenly start using exactly the same one again. Why not try out a more flexible, updated policy - one that has the support of at least some forum members?
May I ask how long you would've made the block?
How long the next block is depends on how soon the next incivility is. A block is the result of one action, but its length is the result of a pattern of actions. On the one hand, I suddenly started to use the formula again; OTOH, the pattern of actions suddenly appeared again.
I wonder if one issue is how long blocks are and a somewhat separate issue is using a formula, any formula, since that makes it, well, formulaic, as opposed to individualized.
Again, I acknowledge and respect that you (and others) have different opinions about the formula. Reasonable people can disagree. And can feel frustrated with each other.
Bob
Posted by Twinleaf on September 4, 2013, at 20:36:42
In reply to Re: the formula, posted by Dr. Bob on September 4, 2013, at 14:15:09
If it were me deciding, I would try to keep the blocks shorter, and see how that worked. I would not use a formula, and not automatically increase the block length for repeat offenses, nor would I automatically block every time the same issue arose. Individual judgement is important, because some situations are much more harmful than others.
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 6, 2013, at 4:26:03
In reply to Re: the formula » Dr. Bob, posted by Twinleaf on September 4, 2013, at 20:36:42
> If it were me deciding, I would try to keep the blocks shorter, and see how that worked.
May I ask how short you would've kept that block?
> Individual judgement is important, because some situations are much more harmful than others.
I agree. That's part of the formula.
Bob
Posted by Twinleaf on September 6, 2013, at 6:53:04
In reply to Re: the formula, posted by Dr. Bob on September 6, 2013, at 4:26:03
I think I would try st least several blocks of one week, and apply the escalating block formula very sparingly and intermittently, if at all.
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 7, 2013, at 0:05:28
In reply to Re: the formula » Dr. Bob, posted by Twinleaf on September 6, 2013, at 6:53:04
> I think I would try st least several blocks of one week, and apply the escalating block formula very sparingly and intermittently, if at all.
Got it. Thanks for explaining the approach you'd take.
Bob
Posted by Twinleaf on September 7, 2013, at 8:46:43
In reply to Re: the formula, posted by Dr. Bob on September 7, 2013, at 0:05:28
You're welcome - thanks for asking.
Posted by HomelyCygnet on October 3, 2013, at 10:50:21
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks, posted by Dr. Bob on August 30, 2013, at 22:12:03
The phrase which offended you includes the pronoun their which is a reference to deputies. This plural form includes the current deputies so I am entitled to have my block increased by a factor of 2 according to your formula. This leaves me entitled to 12 weeks rather the the 4 you offered. Please correct this at once.
As ever
Homely" starts at 2 and may be decreased by 1 if provoked, increased by 1 if uncivil toward a particular individual or group, particularly uncivil, or uncivil in multiple posts at same time, and increased by 2 if uncivil toward a deputy or deputies." The Word of B_b
> > their willingness to carry out your nastiness was despicable
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> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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> More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
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> Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
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> Thanks,
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> PS: This block is the result of one action, but its length is the result of a pattern of actions. The block length formula:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
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> takes into account how long the previous block was, how long it's been since the previous block, and how uncivil the current post is:
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> duration of previous block = 1 week
> period of time since previous block = 2 weeks
> severity = 2 (default) + 1 (uncivil toward particular individual or group) + 1 (uncivil in multiple posts at same time) = 4
> block length = 3.84 rounded = 4 weeks
Posted by HomelyCygnet on October 3, 2013, at 10:58:04
In reply to Re: Bob, civil to mention Phillipa sounds paranoid? » HomelyCygnet, posted by 10derheart on August 29, 2013, at 20:22:21
You never even call me by my name!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm glad you appeciate my kindness. I have always been tenderhearted. I am sorry my remarks were not experienced by you as supportive.
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Posted by HomelyCygnet on October 3, 2013, at 12:33:33
In reply to I deserve more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on October 3, 2013, at 10:50:21
I was not entitled to 12 weeks under your formula.
BUT now I AM entitled to 10 weeks for posting something untrue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LIFE IS GOOD
> The phrase which offended you includes the pronoun their which is a reference to deputies. This plural form includes the current deputies so I am entitled to have my block increased by a factor of 2 according to your formula. This leaves me entitled to 12 weeks rather the the 4 you offered. Please correct this at once.
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> As ever
> Homely
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> " starts at 2 and may be decreased by 1 if provoked, increased by 1 if uncivil toward a particular individual or group, particularly uncivil, or uncivil in multiple posts at same time, and increased by 2 if uncivil toward a deputy or deputies." The Word of B_b
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> > Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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> > More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
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> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
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> > Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
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> > Thanks,
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> > PS: This block is the result of one action, but its length is the result of a pattern of actions. The block length formula:
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> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
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> > takes into account how long the previous block was, how long it's been since the previous block, and how uncivil the current post is:
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> > duration of previous block = 1 week
> > period of time since previous block = 2 weeks
> > severity = 2 (default) + 1 (uncivil toward particular individual or group) + 1 (uncivil in multiple posts at same time) = 4
> > block length = 3.84 rounded = 4 weeks
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Posted by HomelyCygnet on October 5, 2013, at 7:00:30
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks, posted by Dr. Bob on August 30, 2013, at 22:12:03
I am tired of your obvious discrimination against Lou and your game playing and your general jackassery. And even though I thought the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable, I think your disloyalty to your present and former deputy girls is despicable too but predictable in light of your "illness". Did something happen in your childhood that caused you to develop this narcissistic personality disorder?
Please compute my ban correctly this time.
Bye :)
Posted by HomelyCygnet on October 5, 2013, at 7:09:42
In reply to Do you have any hobbies besides Babble? » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on October 5, 2013, at 7:00:30
And I say again I am tired of your obvious discrimination against Lou and your game playing and your general jackassery. And even though I thought the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable, I think your disloyalty to your present and former deputy girls is despicable too but predictable in light of your "illness". Did something happen in your childhood that caused you to develop this narcissistic personality disorder?
Please compute my ban correctly this time including bonus for multiple posts.
Bye :)
Posted by 10derheart on October 5, 2013, at 13:08:03
In reply to You don't have to call me Dahling, Dahling » 10derheart, posted by HomelyCygnet on October 3, 2013, at 10:58:04
Ducky? Didn't know we were so intimate we were into noticing such things. That could be creepy... ;-)
Enjoy your block.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 5, 2013, at 14:15:45
In reply to I deserve more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on October 3, 2013, at 10:50:21
> The Word of B_b
I missed that before, lol.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 6, 2013, at 1:16:19
In reply to Do you have any hobbies besides Babble? » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on October 5, 2013, at 7:00:30
> the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable
I hope my present and former deputies don't feel hurt by that. I value their present and former contributions and sacrifices. Anybody else?
Bob
Posted by Homelycygnet on October 6, 2013, at 17:38:44
In reply to Re: present and former deputies, posted by Dr. Bob on October 6, 2013, at 1:16:19
> > the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable
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> I hope my present and former deputies don't feel hurt by that. I value their present and former contributions and sacrifices. Anybody else?
>I feel that "overly frequent" pcbs and "excessive" blocking have been harmful to Babble but you couldn't have done it without the deputies. I am sure they appreciate your thanks.
Posted by Homelycygnet on October 6, 2013, at 17:46:05
In reply to Re: You don't have to call me Dahling, Dahling » HomelyCygnet, posted by 10derheart on October 5, 2013, at 13:08:03
> Ducky? Didn't know we were so intimate we were into noticing such things. That could be creepy... ;-)
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>If only dahling if only.........Service was eversomuch better in the olden days when you were serving under Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on October 6, 2013, at 23:46:02
In reply to Re: present and former deputies, posted by Dr. Bob on October 6, 2013, at 1:16:19
> > the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable
> I hope my present and former deputies don't feel hurt by that. I value their present and former contributions and sacrifices. Anybody else?
I feel ambivalent.
On the one hand, I liked and respected all of them a great deal *as posters*.
I was less keen on the whole 'deputy' thing... Though I do think they tended to provide lesser sanctions than you did.
Posted by SLS on October 7, 2013, at 7:42:54
In reply to Re: present and former deputies, posted by Dr. Bob on October 6, 2013, at 1:16:19
> > the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable
> I hope my present and former deputies don't feel hurt by that. I value their present and former contributions and sacrifices. Anybody else?
I interpreted the phrase, "the willingness" as being a noun referring to a character trait of the deputies. I would feel hurt and put down if someone were to state that a character trait of mine was despicable. Perhaps the deputies referred to experienced no such hurt. I wouldn't know.
- Scott
Posted by HomelyCygnet on October 7, 2013, at 10:19:24
In reply to Re: Do you have any hobbies besides Babble?, posted by HomelyCygnet on October 5, 2013, at 7:09:42
I believed I have defamed you in the eyes of the law. Please remove my post at once.
Your friend
Homely> And I say again I am tired of your obvious discrimination against Lou and your game playing and your general jackassery. And even though I thought the willingness of your present and former deputies to carry out your nastiness was and is despicable, I think your disloyalty to your present and former deputy girls is despicable too but predictable in light of your "(retracted". Did something happen in your childhood that caused you to develop this (retracted)?
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> Please compute my ban correctly this time including bonus for multiple posts.
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> Bye :)
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Posted by Dr. Bob on October 8, 2013, at 15:22:53
In reply to present and former deputies - their willingness » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on October 7, 2013, at 7:42:54
> I would feel hurt and put down if someone were to state that a character trait of mine was despicable.
Would you be willing to share your own view of the willingness of my present and former deputies to be my deputies?
Bob
Posted by HomelyCygnet on October 9, 2013, at 8:45:36
In reply to Re: present and former deputies, posted by Dr. Bob on October 8, 2013, at 15:22:53
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