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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 16:06:40
In reply to Lou's reply-may be good » Toph, posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 16:03:48
> > It would seem to me that when Bob says that "it may be good for this community to see that posts by you (Lou) don't have to be responded to" that he is including both you and himself in that community, and therefore, he suggests that both you and Bob may benefit from unresponded notifications.
> >
> > Toph,
> You wrote,[...he IS including both you and himself..].
> I do not think that anyone can read other people's minds and in this case know what Mr Hsiung's reasons in his mind are for allowing the posts in question to remain outstanding other than what can be seen. What can be seen is that he does state that it MAY be good for the community to see that posts by me do not have to be responded to. There are historical parallels here that I am prohibited to post here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung.
> Now I do not think that it would be good for this community to leave my requests/notifications outstanding unless {good} could mean that Jews and others could be victims of anti-Semitic violence due to that anti-Semitic statements are allowed to stand by My Hsiung and his deputy now and his previous deputies, so that some may consider hatred toward the Jews to be supportive here and then good for the community. For you see, Mr Hsiung states that if a post does have an anti-Semitic statement in it, and it is allowed to stand, then he considers it to be civil and supportive because support takes precedence and if something is not sanctioned, people can think that it is civil here. As to if Mr Hsiung considers the anti-Semitic statement to reflect his thinking about Jews, I do not think is relevant because it is not what he thinks that readers can see, but readers can see as to if the statement is sanctioned or not. Then readers could be led to believe that what is not sanctioned is supportive here in this community. And if there is bystander apathy, that also can contribute to readers thinking that. And if hate is allowed, which Mr Hsiung agrees with me could cause murder, then by Mr Hsiung leaving my requests/notifications outstanding, Jews, in particular but not limited to, could be victims of the hate, for the target people in the statements in question are the Jews in particular but not limited to in some of the anti-Semitic statements allowed to stand which could insult Islam and other faiths as well.
> Now what kind of sub set of people could think that it may be good to see that Mr Hsiung does not have to respond to my requests/notifications?
> This is the danger, in particular to Jews but not limited to them. There are statements that are defaming to Jews and Islamic people and others also. If that is considered to be good by Mr Hsiung, then hate could be considered to be good. And what kind of sub set of people could think that it maybe good to see that Mr Hsiung does not have to respond to my requests/notifications? Are you in that sub set of people here?
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/adin/20041109/msgs/423771.html
>
> correction:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/423771.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 16:27:40
In reply to Policies » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on June 15, 2013, at 1:26:23
> > The notification policy is what it is.
>
> It is what the moderator says it is. If his current thoughts, actions, protocols, and philosophies deviate from those written years ago in the old TOS and FAQ, you might not be aware of the changes he has made in his policies.
>
> Since I am not completely sure of what your informational needs are regarding posting policies, I recommend that you ask the moderator concisely and directly as soon as possible what they are.
>
> Example:
>
> "Dr. Bob, why are my notifications not being answered?"
>
> By the way, notifications made by me have remained unanswered, too. I am not sure why.
>
> Oh, well.
>
> It is what it is.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote,[...ask the moderator...].
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070123/msgs/727348.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 17:01:09
In reply to Lou's reply-may be good » Toph, posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 16:03:48
> > It would seem to me that when Bob says that "it may be good for this community to see that posts by you (Lou) don't have to be responded to" that he is including both you and himself in that community, and therefore, he suggests that both you and Bob may benefit from unresponded notifications.
> >
> > Toph,
> You wrote,[...he IS including both you and himself..].
> I do not think that anyone can read other people's minds and in this case know what Mr Hsiung's reasons in his mind are for allowing the posts in question to remain outstanding other than what can be seen. What can be seen is that he does state that it MAY be good for the community to see that posts by me do not have to be responded to. There are historical parallels here that I am prohibited to post here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung.
> Now I do not think that it would be good for this community to leave my requests/notifications outstanding unless {good} could mean that Jews and others could be victims of anti-Semitic violence due to that anti-Semitic statements are allowed to stand by My Hsiung and his deputy now and his previous deputies, so that some may consider hatred toward the Jews to be supportive here and then good for the community. For you see, Mr Hsiung states that if a post does have an anti-Semitic statement in it, and it is allowed to stand, then he considers it to be civil and supportive because support takes precedence and if something is not sanctioned, people can think that it is civil here. As to if Mr Hsiung considers the anti-Semitic statement to reflect his thinking about Jews, I do not think is relevant because it is not what he thinks that readers can see, but readers can see as to if the statement is sanctioned or not. Then readers could be led to believe that what is not sanctioned is supportive here in this community. And if there is bystander apathy, that also can contribute to readers thinking that. And if hate is allowed, which Mr Hsiung agrees with me could cause murder, then by Mr Hsiung leaving my requests/notifications outstanding, Jews, in particular but not limited to, could be victims of the hate, for the target people in the statements in question are the Jews in particular but not limited to in some of the anti-Semitic statements allowed to stand which could insult Islam and other faiths as well.
> Now what kind of sub set of people could think that it may be good to see that Mr Hsiung does not have to respond to my requests/notifications?
> This is the danger, in particular to Jews but not limited to them. There are statements that are defaming to Jews and Islamic people and others also. If that is considered to be good by Mr Hsiung, then hate could be considered to be good. And what kind of sub set of people could think that it maybe good to see that Mr Hsiung does not have to respond to my requests/notifications? Are you in that sub set of people here?
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/adin/20041109/msgs/423771.html
>
> Toph,
Now here is a post that Mr Hsiung is allotwing to stand. By his own word, people can think that it is civil and supportive because it is not sanctioned and support takes precedence. The statement says that the ONLY way someone will miss out on Eternal Life and forgiveness from God is to reject Jesus, and the poster says that the bible says this. (does it?)
The statement says that the 1 1/2 million Jewish children that had atrocities committed against them and then murdered, and their ashes heaped to be cast in the wind, can not have forgiveness from God or Eternal Life because they were Jews that do reject the claim of many Christiandom sects as posted here being allowed to stand. And much more, the statement has the potential to mean that those murderers could have Eternal Life and God's forgiveness by accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior, I guess right before they killed themselves or were hung.
Now in my request to Mr Hsiung, I ask if he could state if the statement in question is supportive or not. My request is outstanding. Are you one of the people that Mr Hsiung states may think it is good to see that he does not have to respond to my request here? It could go a long way to stopping what could arouse anti-Semitic feelings here, if my request was responded to. For then, I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly, an offer protection to the Jews that could be victims of anti-Semitic hatred that could come from this site.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/949618.html
Posted by Willful on June 15, 2013, at 18:04:50
In reply to Lou's reply-gudphoardhakamunitee? » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 17:01:09
Lou, Bob is clearly saying that it may be good for the community to see that posts from you do not have to be responded to.
Clearly this is an appropriate observation. Is it necessary for every post by you to be responded to, on this board, by every member of the community?
If not, then clearly it may be good for those people who choose not to respond to see that posts from you do not NEED to be responded to.
This is supportive of their sense that they do not want to respond.
What is wrong with that?
If you do not insist that is it necessary for everyone to respond, then it would seem you would agree with Bob's observation.
Posted by Willful on June 15, 2013, at 18:05:26
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-gudphoardhakamunitee?, posted by Willful on June 15, 2013, at 18:04:50
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 15, 2013, at 19:19:18
In reply to Re: Minions » sleepygirl2, posted by 10derheart on June 14, 2013, at 22:17:21
Silliness, I say.
And that Ron, quite the charmer, and so convinced of himself.
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 19:48:16
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-gudphoardhakamunitee?, posted by Willful on June 15, 2013, at 18:04:50
> Lou, Bob is clearly saying that it may be good for the community to see that posts from you do not have to be responded to.
>
> Clearly this is an appropriate observation. Is it necessary for every post by you to be responded to, on this board, by every member of the community?
>
> If not, then clearly it may be good for those people who choose not to respond to see that posts from you do not NEED to be responded to.
>
> This is supportive of their sense that they do not want to respond.
>
> What is wrong with that?
>
> If you do not insist that is it necessary for everyone to respond, then it would seem you would agree with Bob's observation.W,
You wrote,[...(Mr Hsiung) is..saying it may be good for the community to see that posts from you do not have to be responded to...].
The grammatical structure of what is in discussion is the outstanding requests/notifications. These are to Mr Hsiung and not to the members, for notifications go to Mr Hsiung and his deputies. The subject person is me and the subject is that the outstanding notifications/requests concerning statements here that are allowed to stand that could arouse antisemitic feelings could lead to Jews becoming victims of anti-Semitic violence. And also Islamic people that have their faith insulted and those of other faiths and those with no religious affiliation. If my requests to Mr Hsiung were responded to, then IMHHO hatred toward the Jews and others that could come from here could be stopped. I think that would be good for this community and those that think that it will be good for this community to leave my requests/notifications outstanding can post here why they think that and then I could have the opportunity to respond to them.
There is no rule that requires anyone to respond to other's posts here. And many here do respond to my posts, so I have not made a request to Mr Hsiung to require him to make others respond to my posts. It is plainly visible that the subject is the outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung as Toph writes here. Are you one of the sub set of people here that thinks it is good to see that my requests/notifications to Mr Hsiung are not responded to?
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/bable/admin/20130109/msgs/1045309.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 19:50:50
In reply to Lou's reply- » Willful, posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 19:48:16
> > Lou, Bob is clearly saying that it may be good for the community to see that posts from you do not have to be responded to.
> >
> > Clearly this is an appropriate observation. Is it necessary for every post by you to be responded to, on this board, by every member of the community?
> >
> > If not, then clearly it may be good for those people who choose not to respond to see that posts from you do not NEED to be responded to.
> >
> > This is supportive of their sense that they do not want to respond.
> >
> > What is wrong with that?
> >
> > If you do not insist that is it necessary for everyone to respond, then it would seem you would agree with Bob's observation.
>
> W,
> You wrote,[...(Mr Hsiung) is..saying it may be good for the community to see that posts from you do not have to be responded to...].
> The grammatical structure of what is in discussion is the outstanding requests/notifications. These are to Mr Hsiung and not to the members, for notifications go to Mr Hsiung and his deputies. The subject person is me and the subject is that the outstanding notifications/requests concerning statements here that are allowed to stand that could arouse antisemitic feelings could lead to Jews becoming victims of anti-Semitic violence. And also Islamic people that have their faith insulted and those of other faiths and those with no religious affiliation. If my requests to Mr Hsiung were responded to, then IMHHO hatred toward the Jews and others that could come from here could be stopped. I think that would be good for this community and those that think that it will be good for this community to leave my requests/notifications outstanding can post here why they think that and then I could have the opportunity to respond to them.
> There is no rule that requires anyone to respond to other's posts here. And many here do respond to my posts, so I have not made a request to Mr Hsiung to require him to make others respond to my posts. It is plainly visible that the subject is the outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung as Toph writes here. Are you one of the sub set of people here that thinks it is good to see that my requests/notifications to Mr Hsiung are not responded to?
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/bable/admin/20130109/msgs/1045309.htmlcorrection:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1045309.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 20:29:23
In reply to Lou's reply-may be good » Toph, posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 16:03:48
> > It would seem to me that when Bob says that "it may be good for this community to see that posts by you (Lou) don't have to be responded to" that he is including both you and himself in that community, and therefore, he suggests that both you and Bob may benefit from unresponded notifications.
> >
> > Toph,
> You wrote,[...he IS including both you and himself..].
> I do not think that anyone can read other people's minds and in this case know what Mr Hsiung's reasons in his mind are for allowing the posts in question to remain outstanding other than what can be seen. What can be seen is that he does state that it MAY be good for the community to see that posts by me do not have to be responded to. There are historical parallels here that I am prohibited to post here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung.
> Now I do not think that it would be good for this community to leave my requests/notifications outstanding unless {good} could mean that Jews and others could be victims of anti-Semitic violence due to that anti-Semitic statements are allowed to stand by My Hsiung and his deputy now and his previous deputies, so that some may consider hatred toward the Jews to be supportive here and then good for the community. For you see, Mr Hsiung states that if a post does have an anti-Semitic statement in it, and it is allowed to stand, then he considers it to be civil and supportive because support takes precedence and if something is not sanctioned, people can think that it is civil here. As to if Mr Hsiung considers the anti-Semitic statement to reflect his thinking about Jews, I do not think is relevant because it is not what he thinks that readers can see, but readers can see as to if the statement is sanctioned or not. Then readers could be led to believe that what is not sanctioned is supportive here in this community. And if there is bystander apathy, that also can contribute to readers thinking that. And if hate is allowed, which Mr Hsiung agrees with me could cause murder, then by Mr Hsiung leaving my requests/notifications outstanding, Jews, in particular but not limited to, could be victims of the hate, for the target people in the statements in question are the Jews in particular but not limited to in some of the anti-Semitic statements allowed to stand which could insult Islam and other faiths as well.
> Now what kind of sub set of people could think that it may be good to see that Mr Hsiung does not have to respond to my requests/notifications?
> This is the danger, in particular to Jews but not limited to them. There are statements that are defaming to Jews and Islamic people and others also. If that is considered to be good by Mr Hsiung, then hate could be considered to be good. And what kind of sub set of people could think that it maybe good to see that Mr Hsiung does not have to respond to my requests/notifications? Are you in that sub set of people here?
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/adin/20041109/msgs/423771.html
>
> Toph,
You wrote,[...you and (Mr Hsiung ) may benefit from unresponded notifications...].
Oh yeah? What benefit is there for hate to be allowed to stand here? What benefit is there to MrHsiung? There is no benefit to me, my friend. Is there benefit to you? If so, what is it?
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1034151.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 21:09:24
In reply to Lou's reply to Toph--may benefit, posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 20:29:23
> > > It would seem to me that when Bob says that "it may be good for this community to see that posts by you (Lou) don't have to be responded to" that he is including both you and himself in that community, and therefore, he suggests that both you and Bob may benefit from unresponded notifications.
> > >
> > > Toph,
> > You wrote,[...he IS including both you and himself..].
> > I do not think that anyone can read other people's minds and in this case know what Mr Hsiung's reasons in his mind are for allowing the posts in question to remain outstanding other than what can be seen. What can be seen is that he does state that it MAY be good for the community to see that posts by me do not have to be responded to. There are historical parallels here that I am prohibited to post here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung.
> > Now I do not think that it would be good for this community to leave my requests/notifications outstanding unless {good} could mean that Jews and others could be victims of anti-Semitic violence due to that anti-Semitic statements are allowed to stand by My Hsiung and his deputy now and his previous deputies, so that some may consider hatred toward the Jews to be supportive here and then good for the community. For you see, Mr Hsiung states that if a post does have an anti-Semitic statement in it, and it is allowed to stand, then he considers it to be civil and supportive because support takes precedence and if something is not sanctioned, people can think that it is civil here. As to if Mr Hsiung considers the anti-Semitic statement to reflect his thinking about Jews, I do not think is relevant because it is not what he thinks that readers can see, but readers can see as to if the statement is sanctioned or not. Then readers could be led to believe that what is not sanctioned is supportive here in this community. And if there is bystander apathy, that also can contribute to readers thinking that. And if hate is allowed, which Mr Hsiung agrees with me could cause murder, then by Mr Hsiung leaving my requests/notifications outstanding, Jews, in particular but not limited to, could be victims of the hate, for the target people in the statements in question are the Jews in particular but not limited to in some of the anti-Semitic statements allowed to stand which could insult Islam and other faiths as well.
> > Now what kind of sub set of people could think that it may be good to see that Mr Hsiung does not have to respond to my requests/notifications?
> > This is the danger, in particular to Jews but not limited to them. There are statements that are defaming to Jews and Islamic people and others also. If that is considered to be good by Mr Hsiung, then hate could be considered to be good. And what kind of sub set of people could think that it maybe good to see that Mr Hsiung does not have to respond to my requests/notifications? Are you in that sub set of people here?
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/adin/20041109/msgs/423771.html
> >
> > Toph,
> You wrote,[...you and (Mr Hsiung ) may benefit from unresponded notifications...].
> Oh yeah? What benefit is there for hate to be allowed to stand here? What benefit is there to MrHsiung? There is no benefit to me, my friend. Is there benefit to you? If so, what is it?
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1034151.html
>
> Toph,
My apology. In reviewing the posts here,I just saw that I had asked you previously if you are in the sub set of people that see that it is good for my notification/requests to not be responded to.
Lou
Posted by willful on June 16, 2013, at 2:42:06
In reply to Lou's reply- » Willful, posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 19:48:16
well lou I gave you my @@@ interpretation @@@. of dr bob s point. sometimes you have to read " between the lines.' Have you heard this phrase?
Not everything can be seen on the ' surface'-- in fact most of understanding what people mean is not reading the surface, the visible-- it comes from understanding the context, it needs to be inferred.
perhaps you need to consider this in your attempt to understand Bob' point in the passage you keep quoting. Maybe if you understood what he really meant-- by looking at the context--- ie the discussion on the board at the time--you would realize that you are missing his point.
by the way. you seem also not to understand that according to several people's memory of the rules, all your posts have been dealt with--- and you don't have any outstanding requests at all. What about that ? isn't it possible that your opinion is incorrect? and that you should not expect any further action on past requests, notifications.
I would only say to you : please do not reiterate points that you have already made as they are not responses to this post. please respond to the points I have made
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 16, 2013, at 6:36:54
In reply to For Lou: forcing, lackeys, what is 'outstanding'?, posted by 10derheart on June 13, 2013, at 21:19:27
> >>...there are years of outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his former deputies
>
> >>it is easy for others here to persuade you because you lack the facts that I could post. Yet today, I will have to wait for someone greater than me to have the power to force Mr Hsiung and his lackeys to respond to my years of outstanding requests/notifications.
>
> Force? Could you describe what you imagine that would look like, Lou? Is there some person or entity "greater than [you]" that can "force" the administrator of an online message board or others who volunteer[ed] to assist him to do or not do anything? I am eager to know more about this.
> =======================================
>
> (Merriam-Webster)
> Definition of LACKEY
> 1a : footman 2, servant
> b : someone who does menial tasks or runs errands for another
> 2: a servile follower : toady
>
> Toady - one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors : sycophant
>
> Lol...you can't mean "toady." The last thing I ever did or can remember any deputy doing, was to flatter Dr. Bob or be a sycophant. What favors were to be gained? Borderline abuse, frustration, exasperation, disgust, bewilderment? Ahh...the rewards of deputy relations with disgruntled posters and Dr. Bob.
>
> Lou, could you clarify which meaning of lackey (including toady)you meant in your post? I may request an apology, but I'm unsure what you meant. I don't mind menial tasks or errands one bit - it is an honor to serve others. But servile follower or toady...seem to hold a different connotation.
>
> I have another question, Lou. In your HHHHH opinion, is a request/notification which is not replied to with the answer that you prefer, or are looking for, or that you think is correct, considered "outstanding?" I have been trying to figure out what you mean by "years of outstanding requests" for a long, long time.
>
> Take care, Lou.
>
> 10,
Now let us look at some of your other questions to me here. one being,[...is a request/notification which is not replied to with the answer that you prefer, or are looking for, or that you think is correct, considered "outstanding"?...].
The TOS here saye that either the statement in the notification will be addressed in the thread by Mr Hsiung or his deputies, OR there will be direct contact from the administration via email or such. If neither of those are done by the administration, the notification from me is outstanding.
If there was a post by the administration in the thread where the statement is notified about, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. I need that opportunity to head off potential harm that I think could come to, in particular but not limited to, the Jews if the statement in the notification could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and is left to stand. There are years of outstanding notifications/requests from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputies.
It is accepted by Mr Hsiung that statements that are not supportive could have the potential to cause harm when read by readers. The harm could come after the post is left unsanctioned in the future, for readers could think that unsanctioned posts are civil and supportive. And if harm could come to the Jews by the fact that anti-Semitic statements are left to stand, and my notifications/requests are outstanding, then I think that it is my duty to continue to attempt here to have those statements addressed as per Mr Hsiung's own terms of service.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1017615.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 16, 2013, at 11:08:19
In reply to Lou's reply-potential harm » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on June 16, 2013, at 6:36:54
> > >>...there are years of outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his former deputies
> >
> > >>it is easy for others here to persuade you because you lack the facts that I could post. Yet today, I will have to wait for someone greater than me to have the power to force Mr Hsiung and his lackeys to respond to my years of outstanding requests/notifications.
> >
> > Force? Could you describe what you imagine that would look like, Lou? Is there some person or entity "greater than [you]" that can "force" the administrator of an online message board or others who volunteer[ed] to assist him to do or not do anything? I am eager to know more about this.
> > =======================================
> >
> > (Merriam-Webster)
> > Definition of LACKEY
> > 1a : footman 2, servant
> > b : someone who does menial tasks or runs errands for another
> > 2: a servile follower : toady
> >
> > Toady - one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors : sycophant
> >
> > Lol...you can't mean "toady." The last thing I ever did or can remember any deputy doing, was to flatter Dr. Bob or be a sycophant. What favors were to be gained? Borderline abuse, frustration, exasperation, disgust, bewilderment? Ahh...the rewards of deputy relations with disgruntled posters and Dr. Bob.
> >
> > Lou, could you clarify which meaning of lackey (including toady)you meant in your post? I may request an apology, but I'm unsure what you meant. I don't mind menial tasks or errands one bit - it is an honor to serve others. But servile follower or toady...seem to hold a different connotation.
> >
> > I have another question, Lou. In your HHHHH opinion, is a request/notification which is not replied to with the answer that you prefer, or are looking for, or that you think is correct, considered "outstanding?" I have been trying to figure out what you mean by "years of outstanding requests" for a long, long time.
> >
> > Take care, Lou.
> >
> > 10,
> Now let us look at some of your other questions to me here. one being,[...is a request/notification which is not replied to with the answer that you prefer, or are looking for, or that you think is correct, considered "outstanding"?...].
> The TOS here saye that either the statement in the notification will be addressed in the thread by Mr Hsiung or his deputies, OR there will be direct contact from the administration via email or such. If neither of those are done by the administration, the notification from me is outstanding.
> If there was a post by the administration in the thread where the statement is notified about, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. I need that opportunity to head off potential harm that I think could come to, in particular but not limited to, the Jews if the statement in the notification could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and is left to stand. There are years of outstanding notifications/requests from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputies.
> It is accepted by Mr Hsiung that statements that are not supportive could have the potential to cause harm when read by readers. The harm could come after the post is left unsanctioned in the future, for readers could think that unsanctioned posts are civil and supportive. And if harm could come to the Jews by the fact that anti-Semitic statements are left to stand, and my notifications/requests are outstanding, then I think that it is my duty to continue to attempt here to have those statements addressed as per Mr Hsiung's own terms of service.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1017615.html
>
> 10,
Now let's use this background on your request for me to explain my statement that I can not force Mr Hsiung and his deputies to respond and that I will have to wait for one greater than me to force them to do so.
There is potential harm that could come to people that are targets of hate in posts here that the hate is allowed to stand. The flame that Mr Hsiung says he will not wait to quench with him acting to sanction posts of that nature, since he states that one match could cause a forest fire, and if not, the fire is still burning.
Let us look at this post. Here not only is Judaism insulted, but Islam as well and other faiths and other peoples.
To understand what is at issue here, there are two lists. The second list describes those faiths that are the worst. And looking at #5 in the second list, you can see what I am referring to.
To see this post, go to the search box at the bottom of the page and type in,[faith,378930]
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 16, 2013, at 12:11:52
In reply to continued- Lou's reply-potential harm-, posted by Lou Pilder on June 16, 2013, at 11:08:19
> > > >>...there are years of outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his former deputies
> > >
> > > >>it is easy for others here to persuade you because you lack the facts that I could post. Yet today, I will have to wait for someone greater than me to have the power to force Mr Hsiung and his lackeys to respond to my years of outstanding requests/notifications.
> > >
> > > Force? Could you describe what you imagine that would look like, Lou? Is there some person or entity "greater than [you]" that can "force" the administrator of an online message board or others who volunteer[ed] to assist him to do or not do anything? I am eager to know more about this.
> > > =======================================
> > >
> > > (Merriam-Webster)
> > > Definition of LACKEY
> > > 1a : footman 2, servant
> > > b : someone who does menial tasks or runs errands for another
> > > 2: a servile follower : toady
> > >
> > > Toady - one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors : sycophant
> > >
> > > Lol...you can't mean "toady." The last thing I ever did or can remember any deputy doing, was to flatter Dr. Bob or be a sycophant. What favors were to be gained? Borderline abuse, frustration, exasperation, disgust, bewilderment? Ahh...the rewards of deputy relations with disgruntled posters and Dr. Bob.
> > >
> > > Lou, could you clarify which meaning of lackey (including toady)you meant in your post? I may request an apology, but I'm unsure what you meant. I don't mind menial tasks or errands one bit - it is an honor to serve others. But servile follower or toady...seem to hold a different connotation.
> > >
> > > I have another question, Lou. In your HHHHH opinion, is a request/notification which is not replied to with the answer that you prefer, or are looking for, or that you think is correct, considered "outstanding?" I have been trying to figure out what you mean by "years of outstanding requests" for a long, long time.
> > >
> > > Take care, Lou.
> > >
> > > 10,
> > Now let us look at some of your other questions to me here. one being,[...is a request/notification which is not replied to with the answer that you prefer, or are looking for, or that you think is correct, considered "outstanding"?...].
> > The TOS here saye that either the statement in the notification will be addressed in the thread by Mr Hsiung or his deputies, OR there will be direct contact from the administration via email or such. If neither of those are done by the administration, the notification from me is outstanding.
> > If there was a post by the administration in the thread where the statement is notified about, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. I need that opportunity to head off potential harm that I think could come to, in particular but not limited to, the Jews if the statement in the notification could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and is left to stand. There are years of outstanding notifications/requests from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputies.
> > It is accepted by Mr Hsiung that statements that are not supportive could have the potential to cause harm when read by readers. The harm could come after the post is left unsanctioned in the future, for readers could think that unsanctioned posts are civil and supportive. And if harm could come to the Jews by the fact that anti-Semitic statements are left to stand, and my notifications/requests are outstanding, then I think that it is my duty to continue to attempt here to have those statements addressed as per Mr Hsiung's own terms of service.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1017615.html
> >
> > 10,
> Now let's use this background on your request for me to explain my statement that I can not force Mr Hsiung and his deputies to respond and that I will have to wait for one greater than me to force them to do so.
> There is potential harm that could come to people that are targets of hate in posts here that the hate is allowed to stand. The flame that Mr Hsiung says he will not wait to quench with him acting to sanction posts of that nature, since he states that one match could cause a forest fire, and if not, the fire is still burning.
> Let us look at this post. Here not only is Judaism insulted, but Islam as well and other faiths and other peoples.
> To understand what is at issue here, there are two lists. The second list describes those faiths that are the worst. And looking at #5 in the second list, you can see what I am referring to.
> To see this post, go to the search box at the bottom of the page and type in,[faith,378930]
>
> 10,
Let us look now at two other posts and the outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung contained therin
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1044738.html
> http//www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110117/msgs/1002372.html
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 16, 2013, at 15:02:34
In reply to Minions, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 14, 2013, at 20:12:28
> I've always wanted to be a "minion". It sounds so devious.
> :-)
> "Dr Bobs minions"
> Awesome
>
> I'm so not a minion. I'm very boring actually, in some respects. I feel like I work a lot. I wonder what minions get as an average annual salary.There's room for another deputy administrator. It's OK to be boring. It's a positive to be hardworking:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#required
The benefits are intangible.
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 16, 2013, at 15:22:14
In reply to continued- Lou's reply-potential harm-, posted by Lou Pilder on June 16, 2013, at 12:11:52
> > > > >>...there are years of outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his former deputies
> > > >
> > > > >>it is easy for others here to persuade you because you lack the facts that I could post. Yet today, I will have to wait for someone greater than me to have the power to force Mr Hsiung and his lackeys to respond to my years of outstanding requests/notifications.
> > > >
> > > > Force? Could you describe what you imagine that would look like, Lou? Is there some person or entity "greater than [you]" that can "force" the administrator of an online message board or others who volunteer[ed] to assist him to do or not do anything? I am eager to know more about this.
> > > > =======================================
> > > >
> > > > (Merriam-Webster)
> > > > Definition of LACKEY
> > > > 1a : footman 2, servant
> > > > b : someone who does menial tasks or runs errands for another
> > > > 2: a servile follower : toady
> > > >
> > > > Toady - one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors : sycophant
> > > >
> > > > Lol...you can't mean "toady." The last thing I ever did or can remember any deputy doing, was to flatter Dr. Bob or be a sycophant. What favors were to be gained? Borderline abuse, frustration, exasperation, disgust, bewilderment? Ahh...the rewards of deputy relations with disgruntled posters and Dr. Bob.
> > > >
> > > > Lou, could you clarify which meaning of lackey (including toady)you meant in your post? I may request an apology, but I'm unsure what you meant. I don't mind menial tasks or errands one bit - it is an honor to serve others. But servile follower or toady...seem to hold a different connotation.
> > > >
> > > > I have another question, Lou. In your HHHHH opinion, is a request/notification which is not replied to with the answer that you prefer, or are looking for, or that you think is correct, considered "outstanding?" I have been trying to figure out what you mean by "years of outstanding requests" for a long, long time.
> > > >
> > > > Take care, Lou.
> > > >
> > > > 10,
> > > Now let us look at some of your other questions to me here. one being,[...is a request/notification which is not replied to with the answer that you prefer, or are looking for, or that you think is correct, considered "outstanding"?...].
> > > The TOS here saye that either the statement in the notification will be addressed in the thread by Mr Hsiung or his deputies, OR there will be direct contact from the administration via email or such. If neither of those are done by the administration, the notification from me is outstanding.
> > > If there was a post by the administration in the thread where the statement is notified about, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. I need that opportunity to head off potential harm that I think could come to, in particular but not limited to, the Jews if the statement in the notification could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and is left to stand. There are years of outstanding notifications/requests from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputies.
> > > It is accepted by Mr Hsiung that statements that are not supportive could have the potential to cause harm when read by readers. The harm could come after the post is left unsanctioned in the future, for readers could think that unsanctioned posts are civil and supportive. And if harm could come to the Jews by the fact that anti-Semitic statements are left to stand, and my notifications/requests are outstanding, then I think that it is my duty to continue to attempt here to have those statements addressed as per Mr Hsiung's own terms of service.
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1017615.html
> > >
> > > 10,
> > Now let's use this background on your request for me to explain my statement that I can not force Mr Hsiung and his deputies to respond and that I will have to wait for one greater than me to force them to do so.
> > There is potential harm that could come to people that are targets of hate in posts here that the hate is allowed to stand. The flame that Mr Hsiung says he will not wait to quench with him acting to sanction posts of that nature, since he states that one match could cause a forest fire, and if not, the fire is still burning.
> > Let us look at this post. Here not only is Judaism insulted, but Islam as well and other faiths and other peoples.
> > To understand what is at issue here, there are two lists. The second list describes those faiths that are the worst. And looking at #5 in the second list, you can see what I am referring to.
> > To see this post, go to the search box at the bottom of the page and type in,[faith,378930]
> >
> > 10,
> Let us look now at two other posts and the outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung contained therin
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1044738.html
> > http//www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110117/msgs/1002372.html
>
> correction:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110117/msgs/1002372.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 16, 2013, at 15:59:07
In reply to correction: continued- Lou's reply-potential harm-, posted by Lou Pilder on June 16, 2013, at 15:22:14
> > > > > >>...there are years of outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his former deputies
> > > > >
> > > > > >>it is easy for others here to persuade you because you lack the facts that I could post. Yet today, I will have to wait for someone greater than me to have the power to force Mr Hsiung and his lackeys to respond to my years of outstanding requests/notifications.
> > > > >
> > > > > Force? Could you describe what you imagine that would look like, Lou? Is there some person or entity "greater than [you]" that can "force" the administrator of an online message board or others who volunteer[ed] to assist him to do or not do anything? I am eager to know more about this.
> > > > > =======================================
> > > > >
> > > > > (Merriam-Webster)
> > > > > Definition of LACKEY
> > > > > 1a : footman 2, servant
> > > > > b : someone who does menial tasks or runs errands for another
> > > > > 2: a servile follower : toady
> > > > >
> > > > > Toady - one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors : sycophant
> > > > >
> > > > > Lol...you can't mean "toady." The last thing I ever did or can remember any deputy doing, was to flatter Dr. Bob or be a sycophant. What favors were to be gained? Borderline abuse, frustration, exasperation, disgust, bewilderment? Ahh...the rewards of deputy relations with disgruntled posters and Dr. Bob.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lou, could you clarify which meaning of lackey (including toady)you meant in your post? I may request an apology, but I'm unsure what you meant. I don't mind menial tasks or errands one bit - it is an honor to serve others. But servile follower or toady...seem to hold a different connotation.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have another question, Lou. In your HHHHH opinion, is a request/notification which is not replied to with the answer that you prefer, or are looking for, or that you think is correct, considered "outstanding?" I have been trying to figure out what you mean by "years of outstanding requests" for a long, long time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Take care, Lou.
> > > > >
> > > > > 10,
> > > > Now let us look at some of your other questions to me here. one being,[...is a request/notification which is not replied to with the answer that you prefer, or are looking for, or that you think is correct, considered "outstanding"?...].
> > > > The TOS here saye that either the statement in the notification will be addressed in the thread by Mr Hsiung or his deputies, OR there will be direct contact from the administration via email or such. If neither of those are done by the administration, the notification from me is outstanding.
> > > > If there was a post by the administration in the thread where the statement is notified about, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. I need that opportunity to head off potential harm that I think could come to, in particular but not limited to, the Jews if the statement in the notification could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and is left to stand. There are years of outstanding notifications/requests from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputies.
> > > > It is accepted by Mr Hsiung that statements that are not supportive could have the potential to cause harm when read by readers. The harm could come after the post is left unsanctioned in the future, for readers could think that unsanctioned posts are civil and supportive. And if harm could come to the Jews by the fact that anti-Semitic statements are left to stand, and my notifications/requests are outstanding, then I think that it is my duty to continue to attempt here to have those statements addressed as per Mr Hsiung's own terms of service.
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1017615.html
> > > >
> > > > 10,
> > > Now let's use this background on your request for me to explain my statement that I can not force Mr Hsiung and his deputies to respond and that I will have to wait for one greater than me to force them to do so.
> > > There is potential harm that could come to people that are targets of hate in posts here that the hate is allowed to stand. The flame that Mr Hsiung says he will not wait to quench with him acting to sanction posts of that nature, since he states that one match could cause a forest fire, and if not, the fire is still burning.
> > > Let us look at this post. Here not only is Judaism insulted, but Islam as well and other faiths and other peoples.
> > > To understand what is at issue here, there are two lists. The second list describes those faiths that are the worst. And looking at #5 in the second list, you can see what I am referring to.
> > > To see this post, go to the search box at the bottom of the page and type in,[faith,378930]
> > >
> > > 10,
> > Let us look now at two other posts and the outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung contained therin
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1044738.html
> > > http//www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110117/msgs/1002372.html
> >
> > correction:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110117/msgs/1002372.html
>
> 10,
Here is a post that I would like for you to take in consideration in our dialog here that I am leading up to explain the {...someone greater than me to force Mr Hsiung and his deputies to post responses to my outstanding requests/notifications...}.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040112/msgs/307041.html
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 16, 2013, at 17:53:24
In reply to Re: Minions, posted by Dr. Bob on June 16, 2013, at 15:02:34
Oh, I just want to freelance or something. I can't commit to anything. It just sounds like a great job, "minion". ;-)
Posted by gardenergirl on June 16, 2013, at 23:50:34
In reply to Re: Minions, posted by Dr. Bob on June 16, 2013, at 15:02:34
> The benefits are intangible.
>
> BobThat's certainly one way to describe them. smh
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 17, 2013, at 10:08:59
In reply to correction: continued- Lou's reply-potential harm-, posted by Lou Pilder on June 16, 2013, at 15:22:14
> > > > > >>...there are years of outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his former deputies
> > > > >
> > > > > >>it is easy for others here to persuade you because you lack the facts that I could post. Yet today, I will have to wait for someone greater than me to have the power to force Mr Hsiung and his lackeys to respond to my years of outstanding requests/notifications.
> > > > >
> > > > > Force? Could you describe what you imagine that would look like, Lou? Is there some person or entity "greater than [you]" that can "force" the administrator of an online message board or others who volunteer[ed] to assist him to do or not do anything? I am eager to know more about this.
> > > > > =======================================
> > > > >
> > > > > (Merriam-Webster)
> > > > > Definition of LACKEY
> > > > > 1a : footman 2, servant
> > > > > b : someone who does menial tasks or runs errands for another
> > > > > 2: a servile follower : toady
> > > > >
> > > > > Toady - one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors : sycophant
> > > > >
> > > > > Lol...you can't mean "toady." The last thing I ever did or can remember any deputy doing, was to flatter Dr. Bob or be a sycophant. What favors were to be gained? Borderline abuse, frustration, exasperation, disgust, bewilderment? Ahh...the rewards of deputy relations with disgruntled posters and Dr. Bob.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lou, could you clarify which meaning of lackey (including toady)you meant in your post? I may request an apology, but I'm unsure what you meant. I don't mind menial tasks or errands one bit - it is an honor to serve others. But servile follower or toady...seem to hold a different connotation.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have another question, Lou. In your HHHHH opinion, is a request/notification which is not replied to with the answer that you prefer, or are looking for, or that you think is correct, considered "outstanding?" I have been trying to figure out what you mean by "years of outstanding requests" for a long, long time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Take care, Lou.
> > > > >
> > > > > 10,
> > > > Now let us look at some of your other questions to me here. one being,[...is a request/notification which is not replied to with the answer that you prefer, or are looking for, or that you think is correct, considered "outstanding"?...].
> > > > The TOS here saye that either the statement in the notification will be addressed in the thread by Mr Hsiung or his deputies, OR there will be direct contact from the administration via email or such. If neither of those are done by the administration, the notification from me is outstanding.
> > > > If there was a post by the administration in the thread where the statement is notified about, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. I need that opportunity to head off potential harm that I think could come to, in particular but not limited to, the Jews if the statement in the notification could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and is left to stand. There are years of outstanding notifications/requests from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputies.
> > > > It is accepted by Mr Hsiung that statements that are not supportive could have the potential to cause harm when read by readers. The harm could come after the post is left unsanctioned in the future, for readers could think that unsanctioned posts are civil and supportive. And if harm could come to the Jews by the fact that anti-Semitic statements are left to stand, and my notifications/requests are outstanding, then I think that it is my duty to continue to attempt here to have those statements addressed as per Mr Hsiung's own terms of service.
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1017615.html
> > > >
> > > > 10,
> > > Now let's use this background on your request for me to explain my statement that I can not force Mr Hsiung and his deputies to respond and that I will have to wait for one greater than me to force them to do so.
> > > There is potential harm that could come to people that are targets of hate in posts here that the hate is allowed to stand. The flame that Mr Hsiung says he will not wait to quench with him acting to sanction posts of that nature, since he states that one match could cause a forest fire, and if not, the fire is still burning.
> > > Let us look at this post. Here not only is Judaism insulted, but Islam as well and other faiths and other peoples.
> > > To understand what is at issue here, there are two lists. The second list describes those faiths that are the worst. And looking at #5 in the second list, you can see what I am referring to.
> > > To see this post, go to the search box at the bottom of the page and type in,[faith,378930]
> > >
> > > 10,
> > Let us look now at two other posts and the outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung contained therin
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1044738.html
> > > http//www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110117/msgs/1002372.html
> >
> > correction:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110117/msgs/1002372.html
>
> 10,
Your concern to me as to what I mean concerning that the former deputies and Mr Hsiung have left my requests/notifications outstanding and what I mean by that one greater than me would have to arrive to force you and the others that have left my requests/notification unresponded to oould be explained by me here with the understanding of some past posts from here that I think are relevant to the discussion here.
Here is one such.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1021012.html
Posted by 10derheart on June 17, 2013, at 13:18:42
In reply to Re: Minions » Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on June 16, 2013, at 23:50:34
Posted by gardenergirl on June 17, 2013, at 19:32:31
In reply to I had the exact same thought :-) (nm) » gardenergirl, posted by 10derheart on June 17, 2013, at 13:18:42
Posted by Toph on June 18, 2013, at 9:11:01
In reply to Lou's reply to Toph--may benefit, posted by Lou Pilder on June 15, 2013, at 20:29:23
And what kind of sub set of people could think that it maybe good to see that Mr Hsiung does not have to respond to my requests/notifications? Are you in that sub set of people here?
> > Lou
> >
> > Toph,
> You wrote,[...you and (Mr Hsiung ) may benefit from unresponded notifications...].
> Oh yeah? What benefit is there for hate to be allowed to stand here? What benefit is there to MrHsiung? There is no benefit to me, my friend. Is there benefit to you? If so, what is it?
> LouI'm not sure what you want me to say Lou, but there is one thing I would add, if I ask anything of anyone here, be it you, another poster, Bob or the community at large, I understand that while replies are nice, no one has any obligation whatsoever to respond to me.
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 18, 2013, at 17:04:54
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Toph--may benefit » Lou Pilder, posted by Toph on June 18, 2013, at 9:11:01
> And what kind of sub set of people could think that it maybe good to see that Mr Hsiung does not have to respond to my requests/notifications? Are you in that sub set of people here?
> > > Lou
> > >
> > > Toph,
> > You wrote,[...you and (Mr Hsiung ) may benefit from unresponded notifications...].
> > Oh yeah? What benefit is there for hate to be allowed to stand here? What benefit is there to MrHsiung? There is no benefit to me, my friend. Is there benefit to you? If so, what is it?
> > Lou
>
> I'm not sure what you want me to say Lou, but there is one thing I would add, if I ask anything of anyone here, be it you, another poster, Bob or the community at large, I understand that while replies are nice, no one has any obligation whatsoever to respond to me.Toph,
You wrote the above. And you say that you are not sure what I want you to say.
You do not have to answer my request to you. But this is much more than that, for the issue at hand is that there are years of outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputies of which some have resigned.
Now you say that no one has to reply to you. But they can if they want to. And if a response to my requests/notifications to Mr Hsiung could save lives, head off anti-Semitic hatred, then I do not see the "good" of that the requests are outstanding. I do not see the support, if the request is outstanding. What I do see, is that many posts that constitute anti-Semitism are allowed to stand and readers could think that hatred toward the Jews posted here is supportive because Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that he does not wait to act for one match could start a forest fire. An if any one here thinks that members will benefit from seeing my outstanding notifications/requests, then they have the opportunity to post who are the subset of people that they think would benefit. Those that do not want to do that can reject this opportunity now.
Lou
Posted by Toph on June 19, 2013, at 8:25:58
In reply to Lou's reply-huarethebenefidderz » Toph, posted by Lou Pilder on June 18, 2013, at 17:04:54
You are certainly entitled to belive that psychotopic medication is more harmful than beneficial and that there is anti-semitism behind posts on Babble, I only wish that you would at least consider why there is such a strong reaction to your methods here.
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