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Posted by Dr. Bob on January 30, 2011, at 19:55:40
In reply to Re: My beef with cymbalta commercial!!, posted by europerep on January 29, 2011, at 13:48:10
> honestly, I find that sh[*]t disturbing.
Please don't use language that could offend others.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
If you turn off automatic asterisking, you have more freedom to express yourself, but you're also responsible for your language.
More information about posting policies is in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#asterisking
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Solstice on January 30, 2011, at 19:56:58
In reply to Re: please be civil » europerep, posted by Dr. Bob on January 29, 2011, at 22:56:08
> > honestly, I find that sh[*]t disturbing.
>
> Please don't use language that could offend others.
>
> If you turn off automatic asterisking, you have more freedom to express yourself, but you're also responsible for your language.> Thanks,
>
> BobBut... didn't Europrep use the asteriking??? So why the PBC???
Solstice.. who's confused
Posted by emme on January 30, 2011, at 19:57:01
In reply to Re: please be civil - Why?? - » Dr. Bob, posted by Solstice on January 30, 2011, at 7:53:08
So can one comply with the civility rules by using the original definition of the word? As in"I'm tired of this 'store high in transit' "?
Just askin' :)
Posted by floatingbridge on January 30, 2011, at 19:57:02
In reply to Re: please be civil - Why?? -, posted by emme on January 30, 2011, at 9:22:45
Now I'm really confused. Sorry emme, I didn't understand :( (no offense).
And I second the question why? Because our European representative didn't use the proper form of *'ing? (Is that what you wrote emme?)
Dr. Bob, could you clear up this mystery for us?
Thanks,
fb
Posted by emme on January 30, 2011, at 19:57:12
In reply to Re: please be civil - Why?? - » emme, posted by floatingbridge on January 30, 2011, at 11:29:09
> Now I'm really confused. Sorry emme, I didn't understand :( (no offense).
>
> And I second the question why? Because our European representative didn't use the proper form of *'ing? (Is that what you wrote emme?)
>
> Dr. Bob, could you clear up this mystery for us?
>
> Thanks,
>
> fb
>
>A popular urban legend has it that a particular swear word is an acronym for
Store High In Transit.Is apparently has to do with exploding ships. However, the Snopes web site explains the true etymology of the word in question. The word apparently has roots in Old English and German and has been around for quite a while.
I was just having a little fun with my previous post. :)
Posted by floatingbridge on January 30, 2011, at 19:57:12
In reply to Re: please be civil - Why?? - » floatingbridge, posted by emme on January 30, 2011, at 11:50:24
Posted by 10derheart on January 30, 2011, at 19:57:24
In reply to Re: please be civil - Why?? - » Dr. Bob, posted by Solstice on January 30, 2011, at 7:53:08
No, he did not use the asterisking, only Dr. Bob did. (I imagine he inserted it at the time of the civility request.)
That's why he was asked to be civil by not using those type of words, turning on the auto-asterisking, etc.
It *is* confusing afterwards, yet I can also see why Dr. Bob edited it since posts remain here indefinitely. {shrug....could go either way, I guess}
Posted by floatingbridge on January 30, 2011, at 19:57:28
In reply to Re: please be civil - Why?? - » Solstice, posted by 10derheart on January 30, 2011, at 12:09:08
10derheart,
Does a pbc imply an apology is necessary?
(I get this confused still, after almost 3 years :-/ .)
Posted by ed_uk2010 on January 30, 2011, at 19:57:33
In reply to Re: please be civil - Why?? - » Solstice, posted by 10derheart on January 30, 2011, at 12:09:08
Personally, I am not offended by swear words unless they are directed at a particular individual in an aggressive manner.
Posted by europerep on January 30, 2011, at 19:57:38
In reply to Omg. why I don't have a t.v. » linkadge, posted by floatingbridge on January 30, 2011, at 3:44:56
> Europrep, are you subjected to such asininities where you are?
>hey fb..
no, fortunately any kind of advertising (print, radio, TV,...) for prescription drugs is not allowed here in Germany. It's not like the pharmaceutical industry doesn't wield considerable power here - more so than in other European countries - but it doesn't go that far.I once saw a couple of these commercials on youtube, and the abilify one even ended with the sentence "so, if you blabla, go to your doctor and ask him for Abilify".. it's just immoral to exploit people's suffering like that...
As for the asterisking.. I don't get it, really. Would it have been fine had I written "sh*t"? Because that would mean that Dr. Bob supposes that users wouldn't recognize the word I actually used, because if they recognized it, they would be just as offended as if I had spelled it out correctly. Or are they like "damn I would have been offended had he put an i instead of an asterisk, but like that it's ok".. this is just ridiculous nonsense, and - I apologize in advance - again, this is so stereotypically American for me.. like people who say "oh my gosh" because God would be offended if I said "oh my god" or "what the hell".. I mean, come on, are you serious? If a person is offended by words that you'll find in every Webster, they have *serious* issues, and it's not my job to accommodate their absurd sense of decency.
Posted by floatingbridge on January 30, 2011, at 19:57:53
In reply to Re: Omg. why I don't have a t.v., posted by europerep on January 30, 2011, at 14:06:49
Our threads crossed. I mention the ask your doctor schtick, too, except my emphasis is getting patients to have conversations about meds they may never have thought of to treat symptoms they were never worried about. Cripes.
BTW, sh*t is in Webster's?
Herzog said Americans (States, no offense Canadian readers) were the most exotic creatures on earth and they don't know it.
Posted by europerep on January 30, 2011, at 19:58:02
In reply to Re: Omg. why I don't have a t.v. » europerep, posted by floatingbridge on January 30, 2011, at 14:28:08
> BTW, sh*t is in Webster's?
>Hm, to be honest I made that claim without verifying, but let's see..
There you go :).. I won't asteriskize (?) the whole thing, it's a quote from a very reputable source after all:
___________
shit
noun
\ˈshit, interjectionally also ˈshē-ət\
Definition of SHIT
1
usually vulgar : feces
2
usually vulgar : an act of defecation
3
usually vulgar : nonsense, crap
4
usually vulgar : any of several intoxicating or narcotic drugs; especially : heroin
5
usually vulgar : damn 2
6
usually vulgar : a worthless, offensive, or detestable person
7
usually vulgar a used as an interjection b used as an intensive usually with the
shit·ty \ˈshi-tē\ adjective, usually vulgarExamples of SHIT
1. Don't give me that shit!
2. Why are you telling me this shit?
3. That movie was total shit.
4. There's always some shit going on.Origin of SHIT
Middle English *shit, from Old English scite; akin to Old English -scītan to defecate
First Known Use: circa 1526________
See you in 4 weeks, when my ban is over :)
Posted by ed_uk2010 on January 30, 2011, at 19:58:05
In reply to Re: Omg. why I don't have a t.v., posted by europerep on January 30, 2011, at 14:06:49
>no, fortunately any kind of advertising (print, radio, TV,...) for prescription drugs is not allowed here in Germany.
I don't think it's allowed anywhere in Europe.
About Germany, I believe it's the largest (or at least one of the the largest) markets for prescription drugs in Europe. Pharmaceutical prices in Germany also tend to be higher than elsewhere in Europe. German pharmacies use a lot of imports from elsewhere is Europe where the same medicines are sold for lower prices.
>As for the asterisking.. I don't get it, really.
I don't get it either, perhaps it works for Americans though :)
Posted by ed_uk2010 on January 30, 2011, at 19:58:12
In reply to Re: Omg. why I don't have a t.v. » floatingbridge, posted by europerep on January 30, 2011, at 15:19:11
> > BTW, sh*t is in Webster's?
> >
>
> Hm, to be honest I made that claim without verifying, but let's see..
>
> There you go :).. I won't asteriskize (?) the whole thing, it's a quote from a very reputable source after all:
>
> ___________
> sh*t
> noun
> \ˈsh*t, interjectionally also ˈshē-ət\
> Definition of SH*T
> 1
> usually vulgar : feces
> 2
> usually vulgar : an act of defecation
> 3
> usually vulgar : nonsense, crap
> 4
> usually vulgar : any of several intoxicating or narcotic drugs; especially : heroin
> 5
> usually vulgar : damn 2
> 6
> usually vulgar : a worthless, offensive, or detestable person
> 7
> usually vulgar a used as an interjection b used as an intensive usually with the
> sh*t·ty \ˈshi-tē\ adjective, usually vulgar
>
> Examples of SH*T
>
> 1. Don't give me that sh*t!
> 2. Why are you telling me this sh*t?
> 3. That movie was total sh*t.
> 4. There's always some sh*t going on.
>
> Origin of SH*T
> Middle English *sh*t, from Old English scite; akin to Old English -scītan to defecate
> First Known Use: circa 1526
>
> ________
> See you in 4 weeks, when my ban is over :)That is some serious sh*t :)
>There's always some sh*t going on.
Especially on the admin board.
Posted by floatingbridge on January 30, 2011, at 19:58:28
In reply to Re: Omg. why I don't have a t.v. » floatingbridge, posted by europerep on January 30, 2011, at 15:19:11
Because you are one of PB's invaluable European representatives, I must protest this act, however humorous, of throwing yourself on your noble sword for the mere sake of preserving personal freedom and integrity in a corrupt and compass-less world.
(Can you actually figure out your block in advance?)
Really, don't leave for a month :(
fb
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 30, 2011, at 20:12:36
In reply to Re: Omg. why I don't have a t.v., posted by europerep on January 30, 2011, at 19:57:38
> As for the asterisking.. I don't get it, really. Would it have been fine had I written "sh*t"?
Yes.
> If a person is offended by words that you'll find in every Webster, they have *serious* issues, and it's not my job to accommodate their absurd sense of decency.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
I do hope that you choose to remain a member of this community and that members of this community help you, if needed, to avoid future blocks. If you want to be proactive, you could ask another poster to be your civility buddy:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#buddies
floatingbridge, thanks for trying to help this time.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
PS: This block is the result of one action, but its length is the result of a pattern of actions. The block length formula:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
takes into account how long the previous block was, how long it's been since the previous block, and how uncivil the current post is:
duration of previous block: 2 weeks
period of time since previous block: 11 weeks
severity: 2 (default) + 1 (uncivil toward particular group) = 3
block length = 4.60 rounded = 5 weeks
Posted by sigismund on January 30, 2011, at 23:51:40
In reply to Re: blocked for 5 weeks » europerep, posted by Dr. Bob on January 30, 2011, at 20:12:36
Is consistency in board moderation desirable?
Because if so, we have a problem.
No one was hurt with this, whereas with the previous thing......
Maybe Bob was, maybe he doesn't want this kind of language on his board?
Doesn't like back talk?
Some cultural thingo?
Posted by Phillipa on January 31, 2011, at 11:21:19
In reply to Re: blocked for 5 weeks, posted by sigismund on January 30, 2011, at 23:51:40
Oh no what happened? I should have posted to the redirect will have to read. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on January 31, 2011, at 13:46:53
In reply to Re: please be civil » europerep, posted by Dr. Bob on January 30, 2011, at 19:55:40
Dr. Bob.
The moratorium does not end until tomorrow. Give us one more day of peace.
Thank you.
- Scott
Posted by ed_uk2010 on January 31, 2011, at 15:59:51
In reply to Re: blocked for 5 weeks » europerep, posted by Dr. Bob on January 30, 2011, at 20:12:36
> > As for the asterisking.. I don't get it, really. Would it have been fine had I written "sh*t"?
>
> Yes.
>Not sure why? Everyone knows what it means.
It's very American, like when you show the breast but blank out the nipple.
Posted by sigismund on January 31, 2011, at 16:46:51
In reply to Re: blocked for 5 weeks, posted by ed_uk2010 on January 31, 2011, at 15:59:51
I don't even understand this asterisking thing.
You can turn it off?
Not that I want to, not that I care, it's such a load of
Posted by jane d on January 31, 2011, at 18:22:57
In reply to Re: blocked for 5 weeks » ed_uk2010, posted by sigismund on January 31, 2011, at 16:46:51
> I don't even understand this asterisking thing.
>
> You can turn it off?Yes. Or maybe you can fail to turn it on. I'm not sure whether it's opt in or out out and I don't feel like checking. I wonder if there really is anything you can say that the auto asterisking would censor but which would not be uncivil. If there isn't then the option really is pointless.
>
> Not that I want to, not that I care, it's such a load of
Posted by 10derheart on January 31, 2011, at 21:35:49
In reply to Asterisks » sigismund, posted by jane d on January 31, 2011, at 18:22:57
I know one for sure: "My daughter is a cheerleader and uses p*m p*ms when she cheers." It's a cultural thing we Americans often haven't heard about....some of our UK or Aussie Babblers can explain far better than I can, I'm sure...although I do remember the historical roots. Learn something all the time here ;-) Every time I see that pomegranate juice brand 'P*M" in stores, it makes me smile because of Babble.
I *think* it may have been gg who ran afoul of the nasty ole p*ms...but I could be wrong.
It is automatically on unless you affirmatively turn it off. If folks would just leave it on.....but hey, freedom is what it is and comes with its consequences, good, bad and indifferent. Indiffernt may well be the word of the day when it comes to all this, although Dr. Bob was not indifferent, apparently.
So, although I pretty much agree with your post above on the issue, I also recognize over the years Dr. Bob often comes down on the side of as much freedom of choice as possible. Maybe that's why he leaves it as a choice, since a segment of posters has/have/will always complain[ed] about too much restricted speech.
I always thought maybe it was just a device (used by many sites, not just here...although most I've seen won't allow the words *at all* asterisked or not, and either remove the words entirely or the posts entirely) to get a poster to stop and think if s/he wants to use that language or not...{shrug}
PS - No English, Australian, or any other peoples were meant to be disparaged in the making of this post, specifically by any uses of the expression "p*m." okay? OK.
Posted by 10derheart on January 31, 2011, at 21:44:07
In reply to thank you :) and ? » 10derheart, posted by floatingbridge on January 30, 2011, at 19:57:28
I don't think it does, although Dr. Bob seems to have always encouraged and appreciated apologies.
When I was a deputy, I saw a PBC as exactly what its acronym describes: a request to Please Be Civil with a link pointing to the rules in the FAQs so posters could learn what I/we meant by that here. Nothing more or less - and an apology was just gravy and often quite humble, classy and lovely, IMO. Particularly when the poster did not agree with the rules but wanted to promote peace and harmony...
Many people seemed to just naturally do it, especially when they 1) didn't understand/know about the civility policy, and/or 2) they hadn't ever considered that the thing they wrote could or might lead someone to feel accused or put down.
Does any of that make sense, fb? I am not all that coherent these days....
Posted by sigismund on January 31, 2011, at 22:35:21
In reply to ooo..ooo....I remember one! » jane d, posted by 10derheart on January 31, 2011, at 21:35:49
>My daughter is a cheerleader and uses p*m p*ms when she cheers
This is to save the feelings of the English? Wow.
The kinds of profanities I grew up with, meaning the creative juxtaposition of unusual elements suitable for yelling at sheepdogs.......it makes me laugh to imagine how they would sound to American ears.
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