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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Free on November 29, 2010, at 20:09:04
In reply to Re: There's anxiety about this place dying., posted by Dr. Bob on November 29, 2010, at 3:06:37
> A door may be closed here. Is a window opened?
>
> Bob
I hate to say it, Bob, but the windows are broken. And they've been broken for some time.The broken windows theory says that if a window in a building is broken and is left un-repaired, all the rest of the windows will soon be broken.
I agree with others here that the critical window to be repaired is the one that Scott identified so well. I just don't see how Babble is going to get un-stuck from the status quo without first fixing this:
"...I think the control of speech here is rigid and too mechanical. Sanctions are triggered at a threshold of incivility that is too low. The evaluation of speech is compartmentalized and reduced to exercises in the strict application of grammar and diction. The length of blocks escalates too rapidly. Advisories are ubiquitous. The learning curve for the prescribed rules of civility is too steep. Some people are here for a week and then blocked from posting. The verbiage of the FAQ is too burdensome to read for new people to digest in order to post without being blocked. The posting system here is alien to most people who participate in forums elsewhere on the Internet. I believe that some people can feel completely stifled in their efforts to communicate. I have not encountered any other websites for which linguistics are scrutinized so closely that sentence structure takes priority over the intended conveyance of the message. I feel like I am being treated like a child." - ScottGood luck with all this...yeah, not easy.
Free
Posted by obsidian on November 29, 2010, at 21:08:56
In reply to Re: This place is dying., posted by hyperfocus on November 29, 2010, at 14:01:39
I agree with a lot of what you've said.
Thank you.
-sid
Posted by Phillipa on November 30, 2010, at 12:53:57
In reply to Re: This place is dying. » hyperfocus, posted by obsidian on November 29, 2010, at 21:08:56
I do also but some that were mentioned left to pursue a time consuming career. Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 4, 2010, at 3:19:49
In reply to Re: There's anxiety about this place dying. » alexandra_k, posted by SLS on November 29, 2010, at 18:28:26
> > A lot of the activity here gets focused on my use of power. Maybe it makes some of you feel the way you did when you were a child.
>
> Scott spoke clearly in I statements. I feel the rephrasing to 'some of you feel the way' dilutes and even perhaps distorts the author's original intent: his feeling and experience as a long time forum member. I experience this response as fairly routine and impersonal, in addition to unhelpful. I myself am not impelled to deeper personal examination by this queru.
>
> fbI thought of that not as rephrasing, but as extending, what Scott said. I leave it to each poster to decide for themselves whether deeper personal examination is warranted.
--
> I owe a great deal to this site and I feel protective towards it. It's the only place I can come to to ask questions about meds and mental illness and try to help others. If this site blocked search engines from finding posts then I probably wouldn't have found it. So if some teenager is out there battling bullying and social phobia and depression and sees a PB post on Twitter on Facebook or whatever, then to me that's worth whatever privacy I give up here (which in 2010 isn't that much.) If somebody vulnerable comes here and sees that going after posters is not tolerated at all and decides to stick around, then that's worth whatever restrictions on free speech we have.
:-)
> The only thing I would like to see change is this infinite jeopardy system of blocking where minor infractions can lead to long blocks.
>
> hyperfocusRemember, a block can be the result of a minor infraction, but if it's long, that's the result of a long pattern of uncivil posts.
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> Dr Bob, I think many posters would love to help open a window
>
> fbThat would be great, here's one:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101014/msgs/971688.html
> Posts critical of your moderation can still be composed in a manner that conforms to your rules of civil communication.
Exactly, despite all the constraints here, people (and not just you) can still express themselves.
> It seems to me that the time and energy being expended by many of the members of the community who are vocal in their disapproval of the current moderation paradigm demonstrates the great value these people place on the health of this website.
>
> - ScottThat's a great point, we all value Babble. Let's try to work together to make it healthier.
Bob
Posted by muffled on December 4, 2010, at 3:39:25
In reply to Re: the value we place on the health of this site, posted by Dr. Bob on December 4, 2010, at 3:19:49
you funny, I thinks you is like me maybe huh? maybe you got parts cuz sometimes you kinga stuffy sounding and sometimes you just funny and sometimes you smart and sometimes you just make me mad!!! LOL!!!
Right nnow you making me smile cuz i thinking you in a shirt stuff with straw cuz you stuffy!!! :)
Hey deneb'll like that, a different stuffy, a stuffy like a toy, and she can have BOB stuffy :) then deneb be happy huh!:)
I can't sleep.
Wished I could sleep.
But I LOVE laffin!
Everyboddy goto laff cuz laffin is the BEST!!!!!HEY!!!! I got an idea, Dr. Bob STUFFIES!!! And somes can cuddle their Bobs(guess who!!!and it sure ain't ME!!!!LOL!) and somes can place their Bobs on the shelf by their computer and cuss him out!!! LOL!!!
ROFL ROFL!!!! an if Bob naughty we put Dr. Bob in the backyard!!!!!
LOL LOL!!!!
See it good to laff huh???
Everyboddy laff and be happy!!!
Just thinking....what you gonna do w/YOUR Bob stuffy Bob????
Tee hee :)
Hope you have some smiles :)
bye
Posted by alexandra_k on December 4, 2010, at 5:56:04
In reply to Re: the value we place on the health of this site, posted by Dr. Bob on December 4, 2010, at 3:19:49
> Remember, a block can be the result of a minor infraction, but if it's long, that's the result of a long pattern of uncivil posts.
not necessarily. not if we are talking about incivility(no star). i worry about how many long blocks are the result of multiple minor infractions aka incivilities*.
Posted by SLS on December 4, 2010, at 6:45:03
In reply to Re: the value we place on the health of this site, posted by Dr. Bob on December 4, 2010, at 3:19:49
> > It seems to me that the time and energy being expended by many of the members of the community who are vocal in their disapproval of the current moderation paradigm demonstrates the great value these people place on the health of this website.
> >
> > - Scott> That's a great point, we all value Babble. Let's try to work together to make it healthier.
Okay.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by twinleaf on December 4, 2010, at 9:00:21
In reply to Re: the value we place on the health of this site, posted by Dr. Bob on December 4, 2010, at 3:19:49
:
"Remember, a block can be the result of a minor infraction, but if it's long, that's the result of a long pattern of uncivil posts".Bob
All of the posts for which I have received blocks were about changes which might make Babble more vital and thriving. I was about to receive a block of one year for using the word "outlandish" to describe a block given another civil protester. All of my blocks were given because Bob found some word in my posts that he claimed made him feel "put down". No other posters were ever involved; I could never know what he would happen to find uncivil. I finally felt so hounded and unfairly singled out for punishment that I could not stay here.
I'm here right now because I thought some of the administrative changes spearheaded by Solstice were very promising. I noticed that Bob, far from punishing civil protesters like me as he has done in the past, was showing interest and responsiveness. I think it is wonderful that he is willing to set up a Council which would review and modify blocks, and I hope there will be enough community interest to make it a reality.
I am definitely willing to let bygones be bygones if we are moving into a new era where Bob shares some responsibility with us in the running of the community. But I did want to remind those who think the present block system is fair of what happened to me. I will never be able to believe that I have ever been uncivil to Bob, even though he apparently thinks so. ; No amount of lengthy blocks can change my mind on that point. There is no point blocking me for a year could serve other than inflicting emotional distress and punishment on me, While in the past Bob has cited punishment as one of the legitimate reasons for long blocks of repeat offenders, I doubt that he would want to give it as a reason now. I think my situation is a very powerful example of the dangers of one-person rule, and also of how much harm long, idiosyncratic blocks can do, and why the blocking system urgently needs changing.
As Bob, Solstice and others move ahead, I want to give my strong support to their efforts.
Posted by muffled on December 4, 2010, at 10:47:33
In reply to uncivil posts....., posted by twinleaf on December 4, 2010, at 9:00:21
>"As Bob, Solstice and others move ahead, I want to give my strong support to their efforts."
Yeah, I agree Twinleaf. I still watching to see....
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 4, 2010, at 16:08:48
In reply to uncivil posts....., posted by twinleaf on December 4, 2010, at 9:00:21
> :
> "Remember, a block can be the result of a minor infraction, but if it's long, that's the result of a long pattern of uncivil posts".
>
> Bob
>
> All of the posts for which I have received blocks were about changes which might make Babble more vital and thriving. I was about to receive a block of one year for using the word "outlandish" to describe a block given another civil protester. All of my blocks were given because Bob found some word in my posts that he claimed made him feel "put down". No other posters were ever involved; I could never know what he would happen to find uncivil. I finally felt so hounded and unfairly singled out for punishment that I could not stay here.
>
> I'm here right now because I thought some of the administrative changes spearheaded by Solstice were very promising. I noticed that Bob, far from punishing civil protesters like me as he has done in the past, was showing interest and responsiveness. I think it is wonderful that he is willing to set up a Council which would review and modify blocks, and I hope there will be enough community interest to make it a reality.
>
> I am definitely willing to let bygones be bygones if we are moving into a new era where Bob shares some responsibility with us in the running of the community. But I did want to remind those who think the present block system is fair of what happened to me. I will never be able to believe that I have ever been uncivil to Bob, even though he apparently thinks so. ; No amount of lengthy blocks can change my mind on that point. There is no point blocking me for a year could serve other than inflicting emotional distress and punishment on me, While in the past Bob has cited punishment as one of the legitimate reasons for long blocks of repeat offenders, I doubt that he would want to give it as a reason now. I think my situation is a very powerful example of the dangers of one-person rule, and also of how much harm long, idiosyncratic blocks can do, and why the blocking system urgently needs changing.
>
> As Bob, Solstice and others move ahead, I want to give my strong support to their efforts.
>
> twinleaf,
You wrote,[...a word...he (Mr. Hsiung) claimed made him feel "put down"...emotional distress..one-person rule...harm...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. Let us look at Mr. Hsiung's TOS here in relation to what could be considerd to be a foundation of his thinking that he uses to administer the community here. It reads:
**** I want to be open to feedback, but if you could also please try to accept what I decide and trust that I'm doing my best to be fair and to do what I think will be good for the community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks
****
Now if you could post answers to the following, then I could respond accordingly.
1A. Do you have the knowledge of the historical significance of the statement here?
2A. Do you know the names of the people who said what could be considerd to be the same thing?
1B. Do you know what happened to those that led their country under the foundation that the statement has the potential to purport?
2B. Do you know if there is a country or community today that has the same type of thinking from it's leaders that is stated here? If so, could you post the name of it here?
1C. If he is open to feedback, does that mean that he {will} reply to the person requesting the feedback? If not, what in your opinion could be the purpose of the statement and is that a sound mental-health concept?
2C. In regards to doing what he thinks will be good for this community as a whole;
1. do you see that the statement says {will be} and not {is}? You see, what {will be} good for this community as a whole could mean that in the future it will be good for this community. That means that one can not determine until then as to if what he does was good or not untill that time happens. This gives people a hope that what he does will be good. For time will be the judge as to what he does was in fact good or not for this community. Historically, leaders used this gramatical structure to offer a dream or hope for good to result to them from the leaders policy. People then could have a hope, or a false hope. They could not know the future, could they? So the leader then says to try and trust him for that hope of what he does will be good. If the hope was a false hope, based only on trusting the leader, then historically, we could look at those leaders that used the same gramatical structure in what they told their people to see what happened to the people, and the country, that embraced the hope. When that happened, their minds could be molified to think that they to do whatever they wanted to do because they thought that at the end, the ends could justify the means. (let the reader understand).
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 4, 2010, at 17:00:20
In reply to Lou's request-trzmhe » twinleaf, posted by Lou Pilder on December 4, 2010, at 16:08:48
> > :
> > "Remember, a block can be the result of a minor infraction, but if it's long, that's the result of a long pattern of uncivil posts".
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > All of the posts for which I have received blocks were about changes which might make Babble more vital and thriving. I was about to receive a block of one year for using the word "outlandish" to describe a block given another civil protester. All of my blocks were given because Bob found some word in my posts that he claimed made him feel "put down". No other posters were ever involved; I could never know what he would happen to find uncivil. I finally felt so hounded and unfairly singled out for punishment that I could not stay here.
> >
> > I'm here right now because I thought some of the administrative changes spearheaded by Solstice were very promising. I noticed that Bob, far from punishing civil protesters like me as he has done in the past, was showing interest and responsiveness. I think it is wonderful that he is willing to set up a Council which would review and modify blocks, and I hope there will be enough community interest to make it a reality.
> >
> > I am definitely willing to let bygones be bygones if we are moving into a new era where Bob shares some responsibility with us in the running of the community. But I did want to remind those who think the present block system is fair of what happened to me. I will never be able to believe that I have ever been uncivil to Bob, even though he apparently thinks so. ; No amount of lengthy blocks can change my mind on that point. There is no point blocking me for a year could serve other than inflicting emotional distress and punishment on me, While in the past Bob has cited punishment as one of the legitimate reasons for long blocks of repeat offenders, I doubt that he would want to give it as a reason now. I think my situation is a very powerful example of the dangers of one-person rule, and also of how much harm long, idiosyncratic blocks can do, and why the blocking system urgently needs changing.
> >
> > As Bob, Solstice and others move ahead, I want to give my strong support to their efforts.
> >
> > twinleaf,
> You wrote,[...a word...he (Mr. Hsiung) claimed made him feel "put down"...emotional distress..one-person rule...harm...].
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. Let us look at Mr. Hsiung's TOS here in relation to what could be considerd to be a foundation of his thinking that he uses to administer the community here. It reads:
> **** I want to be open to feedback, but if you could also please try to accept what I decide and trust that I'm doing my best to be fair and to do what I think will be good for the community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks
> ****
> Now if you could post answers to the following, then I could respond accordingly.
> 1A. Do you have the knowledge of the historical significance of the statement here?
> 2A. Do you know the names of the people who said what could be considerd to be the same thing?
> 1B. Do you know what happened to those that led their country under the foundation that the statement has the potential to purport?
> 2B. Do you know if there is a country or community today that has the same type of thinking from it's leaders that is stated here? If so, could you post the name of it here?
> 1C. If he is open to feedback, does that mean that he {will} reply to the person requesting the feedback? If not, what in your opinion could be the purpose of the statement and is that a sound mental-health concept?
> 2C. In regards to doing what he thinks will be good for this community as a whole;
> 1. do you see that the statement says {will be} and not {is}? You see, what {will be} good for this community as a whole could mean that in the future it will be good for this community. That means that one can not determine until then as to if what he does was good or not untill that time happens. This gives people a hope that what he does will be good. For time will be the judge as to what he does was in fact good or not for this community. Historically, leaders used this gramatical structure to offer a dream or hope for good to result to them from the leaders policy. People then could have a hope, or a false hope. They could not know the future, could they? So the leader then says to try and trust him for that hope of what he does will be good. If the hope was a false hope, based only on trusting the leader, then historically, we could look at those leaders that used the same gramatical structure in what they told their people to see what happened to the people, and the country, that embraced the hope. When that happened, their minds could be molified to think that they to do whatever they wanted to do because they thought that at the end, the ends could justify the means. (let the reader understand).
> Lou
>
> twinleaf,
Now let's look at;
****I'm doing my best to be fair****
Now that leaves for Mr. Hsiung to not have to do what is fair, for he states that he is doing {"my best"} to be fair, which is IMHO hugely different from to do what {is} fair. You see, could one be the judge of, if or if not, Mr. Hsiung is or is not doing {his best} to be fair or could only Mr. Hsiung make that determination? (let the reader understand). Being this the case here, if Mr. Hsiung is not fair, so what? He says that he is doing {his best} and also to trust him. Now that IMHO could lead to a situation that could cause the infliction of emotional distress, the suicde of a member, the death of a member, and a member being subjected to antisemitic or antiIslamic violence or other anti violence for one could be subjected to unfairness and Mr. Hsiung says that he is doing his best to be fair, not to be fair which is very different IMHO. But someone's best may be someones else's worst.(let the reader understand). You see, to be fair generally means to be in accordance with the rules. Since the rules are Mr. Hsiung's rules, could he draft them in a way that could allow the rules or the TOS to be arbitrary or caprecious or discriminatory and be {fair}? I think that there are a great deal of posts from me to Mr. Hsiung that are outstanding and the fact that they are outstanding IMHO could be used by anyone to make their own determination in that regard.
I ask if you could post answers to the following and if so, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. Is leaving requests outstanding going to be good for the community as a whole? If so, could you post why you think that here?
B. Is leaving the requests outstanding being open to feedback?
C. Could people be bullied or die or get a life-ruining condition as a result of there being outstanding requests?
D. What does {busy} mean IYHO to the average person when Mr. Hsiung is posting but leaving requests outstanding?
Lou>
>
>
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2010, at 3:55:08
In reply to uncivil posts....., posted by twinleaf on December 4, 2010, at 9:00:21
> All of my blocks were given because Bob found some word in my posts that he claimed made him feel "put down".
No:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080313/msgs/817760.html
was about a poster and 10derHeart asked you to be civilhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080313/msgs/818771.html
was about a poster and Dinah asked you to be civilhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080313/msgs/820730.html
was about a poster and I asked you to rephrasehttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080719/msgs/842199.html
was about a poster and 10derHeart asked you to be civilhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080719/msgs/842327.html
was about a poster and I blocked youhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081003/msgs/869489.html
was about a deputy and I asked you to be civilhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081003/msgs/870212.html
was about a poster and I asked you to be civilhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081003/msgs/870405.html
was about the deputies and me and 10derHeart blocked youhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081228/msgs/875304.html
was about me and Dinah blocked youhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081228/msgs/882365.html
was about a poster and the deputies and I blocked youhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090529/msgs/902602.html
was about a poster and Dinah asked you to be civilhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090529/msgs/902634.html
was about a poster and Dinah and Dinah asked you to be civilhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/905524.html
was about me and I asked you to be civilhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/905861.html
was about me and I blocked youhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20091103/msgs/929473.html
was about me and I blocked youhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100714/msgs/964584.html
was about me and I asked others to ask you to rephrase or apologizehttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101014/msgs/967411.html
was about me and I asked others to ask you to rephrase or apologize> I could never know what he would happen to find uncivil.
If you can't predict, a civility buddy might help:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#buddies
> I will never be able to believe that I have ever been uncivil to Bob, even though he apparently thinks so. ; No amount of lengthy blocks can change my mind on that point. ... I think my situation is a very powerful example of the dangers of one-person rule
I accept that I may not be able to change your mind on that point.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2010, at 3:57:59
In reply to Bobbo and Dr. Bob stuffies!!!Yayyy!!!!! » Dr. Bob, posted by muffled on December 4, 2010, at 3:39:25
> HEY!!!! I got an idea, Dr. Bob STUFFIES!!! And somes can cuddle their Bobs(guess who!!!and it sure ain't ME!!!!LOL!) and somes can place their Bobs on the shelf by their computer and cuss him out!!! LOL!!!
> ROFL ROFL!!!! an if Bob naughty we put Dr. Bob in the backyard!!!!!
> LOL LOL!!!!Thanks for the smiles. Could I get stuffies made like t-shirts or mugs? :-)
Bob
Posted by gardenergirl on December 5, 2010, at 8:49:52
In reply to Re: uncivil posts, posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2010, at 3:55:08
If I were twinleaf, I would feel slapped. Did you consider conveying that information privately?
gg
Posted by sigismund on December 5, 2010, at 15:02:36
In reply to Ouch! » Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on December 5, 2010, at 8:49:52
I don't have a good enough back to read all that but anyone who has been here a while knows the general pattern of Twinleaf's posts.
And as I said, I think this is the most unfortunate meeting of the civility rules and a poster in the last 5 years.
Posted by Deneb on December 5, 2010, at 15:19:05
In reply to Re: uncivil posts, posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2010, at 3:55:08
Wow Dr. Bob, you must be organized! Did you find every one of Twinleaf's PBC and blockings posts?
Can you do the same for me? I bookmarked them before but I lost them after my computer broke down and I needed a new computer.
I like to remember them so I don't do the same thing in the future. Plus I just like to have complete records. Also I can show others it is possible to learn to be civil after a history of being uncivil.
Thanks Dr. Bob!
Posted by Free on December 5, 2010, at 16:52:42
In reply to Re: Ouch!, posted by sigismund on December 5, 2010, at 15:02:36
Oh... Bob...
17 links?
Are they evidence from crime scenes?
Or are they nails for the coffin? And for whom are they?
Anyway I look at it, they have the opposite effect of reflecting poorly on Twinleaf.
I don't need to go through all the threads.
I was on-line during some of the more gnarled moments. I saw firsthand how and what took place as it went down.
Most unfortunate meeting of the civility rules and a poster, indeed.
Free
Posted by Free on December 5, 2010, at 16:58:51
In reply to Re: Ouch! » sigismund, posted by Free on December 5, 2010, at 16:52:42
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2010, at 17:00:55
In reply to Re: Ouch!, posted by sigismund on December 5, 2010, at 15:02:36
> Did you consider conveying that information privately?
>
> gg1. What would've been the point? She said her mind couldn't be changed.
2. If claims are posted, I think it's reasonable to post data that supports them (or doesn't).
3. Posts and blocks are all public.
4. I consider it uncivil to post information that one knows (or should know) to be false.
5. We've been discussing how it's a long pattern of uncivil posts that leads to long blocks, and sometimes seeing is believing.
> anyone who has been here a while knows the general pattern of Twinleaf's posts.
>
> And as I said, I think this is the most unfortunate meeting of the civility rules and a poster in the last 5 years.
>
> sigismundNot everyone has been here a while.
All blocks are unfortunate. One measure of how unfortunate might be the outcome.
Bob
Posted by jammerlich on December 5, 2010, at 22:07:29
In reply to Re: uncivil posts, posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2010, at 17:00:55
> 2. If claims are posted, I think it's reasonable to post data that supports them (or doesn't).
>
> 4. I consider it uncivil to post information that one knows (or should know) to be false.
>
> BobOh dear, I just have to chime in now. It has been my understanding that the rules, as they are applied here, give little to no consideration to the actual truth. It seems what really matters (again, as the rules are actually applied, not how I think they should be) is whether someone feels accused or put down.
So, if one babbler posts something that refutes a claim made by another, the other could feel accused or put down, regardless of the truth of the evidence. In fact, we've seen babblers blocked for this very reason lately. At least, that is my understanding of things. We've had a group jumping up and down with evidence (that I know, personally, to be true)to refute claims made by another, yet those people got blocked.
And as for #4, this is rampant here on babble (relating to the above issues but also in other situations), yet the bearers of false information are permitted to continue the practice without so much as a pbc.
So, Dr. Bob, I ask you, is it only ok for you to do this, or can we all? What is the actual civility standard, the truth or whether someone feels accused or put down? It seems very fuzzy here.
Posted by muffled on December 5, 2010, at 22:10:42
In reply to Re: uncivil posts, posted by jammerlich on December 5, 2010, at 22:07:29
Hiii!!!!
:)
Posted by sigismund on December 5, 2010, at 22:49:20
In reply to Re: uncivil posts, posted by jammerlich on December 5, 2010, at 22:07:29
It seems what really matters (again, as the rules are actually applied, not how I think they should be) is whether Bob feels someone might feel accused or put down.
Posted by jammerlich on December 6, 2010, at 10:11:55
In reply to Jamster!!!!, posted by muffled on December 5, 2010, at 22:10:42
Hey, Muffly!! :)
Posted by muffled on December 6, 2010, at 10:30:53
In reply to Re: Jamster!!!! » muffled, posted by jammerlich on December 6, 2010, at 10:11:55
I can't post here no more, but I hope you doing ok :)
Best wishes to you.
It was so nice to see your name there :)
TC
M
Posted by gardenergirl on December 6, 2010, at 11:44:47
In reply to Re: uncivil posts, posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2010, at 17:00:55
> > Did you consider conveying that information privately?
> >
> > gg
>
> 1. What would've been the point? She said her mind couldn't be changed.I guess that depends on your intent. If your intent was to correct her statement to her, then doing it privately would be kinder. You yourself have stated how reiterating previous admin actions when giving someone a block would be more "shaming", and you didn't want to do that.
>
> 2. If claims are posted, I think it's reasonable to post data that supports them (or doesn't).Yes. But you could also simply post that your experience suggests otherwise, and even that one could examine the archives to see the posts themselves.
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> 3. Posts and blocks are all public.>
> 4. I consider it uncivil to post information that one knows (or should know) to be false.Or should know? Yikes, methinks the bar just got set to a new level. I'm not sure I'm comfortable posting under the conditions of what I "should know." But I suppose you mean if you've previously told someone something, then they "should know". Is that what you mean?
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> 5. We've been discussing how it's a long pattern of uncivil posts that leads to long blocks, and sometimes seeing is believing.Why now, when you've resisted doing this in the past in order to avoid shaming someone excessively?
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