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Posted by fayeroe on July 21, 2010, at 20:22:09
Posted by PartlyCloudy on July 22, 2010, at 7:10:12
In reply to Check This Out! Babble Takes Wings!, posted by fayeroe on July 21, 2010, at 20:22:09
Well, he hardly needs the Facebook or Twitter buttons on the posts if he's doing it all himself, then.
What a lovely way to start the day - with a queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach!
Thanks, Bob!!
And thanks, Fayeroe, for letting us know.
pc
Posted by ron1953 on July 22, 2010, at 9:00:01
In reply to Check This Out! Babble Takes Wings!, posted by fayeroe on July 21, 2010, at 20:22:09
BFD. More visibility, less substance.
Also, it said "large online support group" - not large by any stretch. Getting smaller all the time.
Posted by fayeroe on July 22, 2010, at 11:03:56
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Babble Takes Wings!, posted by PartlyCloudy on July 22, 2010, at 7:10:12
> Well, he hardly needs the Facebook or Twitter buttons on the posts if he's doing it all himself, then.
> What a lovely way to start the day - with a queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach!
> Thanks, Bob!!
> And thanks, Fayeroe, for letting us know.
> pcWonder why he didn't tell us about this site? Maybe the FB/Twtr episode has put him in stealth mode?
Bob, would you be so kind and list every website where we can find "us"?
I shudder to think what would happen if we spent more time searching the WWW for our posts. I think that Bob may be the Energizer Bunny in disguise. He keeps going and going and going.
Ron saw the "large" label that Bob used for Babble. I don't know what "large" means to Bob. Babble isn't large-large. (thanks Whoopi)
1. Psych Central
About 1,410,000 results (0.30 seconds)2. Psycho Babble Administration
About 23,000 results (0.23 seconds)
Posted by Phillipa on July 22, 2010, at 12:13:07
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares........... » PartlyCloudy, posted by fayeroe on July 22, 2010, at 11:03:56
I feel about two years ago I wrote that babble was dying. I feel I was right. And this is civil unless a new rule I am unaware of? Phillipa
Posted by fayeroe on July 22, 2010, at 12:30:11
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares..........., posted by Phillipa on July 22, 2010, at 12:13:07
You used "I" statements. I don't know why it wouldn't be civil.
Posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 12:43:38
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares........... » PartlyCloudy, posted by fayeroe on July 22, 2010, at 11:03:56
Well that's another disincentive for me to use this site, but not a surprise. I do think that members here should have DEFINITELY been notified of this and should be told of all the sites our mental health discussions are being directed to.
I use Psych Central sometimes. It's interesting that Psych Central has so many members and has a larger Google turn out. Yet, individual forum posts are NOT Googlable there. And, as pointed out by someone, that site has a policy where others are NOT permitted to post links to forum posts or redistribute people's posts. It is against forum policy. They are also not Tweeted or linked with Facebook...yet, the site has a large # of members.
I don't use it that often, but feel safer and more comfortable there than I do here!
Yes, we should have a list of all the sites.
Posted by fayeroe on July 22, 2010, at 13:16:50
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares........... » fayeroe, posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 12:43:38
> Well that's another disincentive for me to use this site, but not a surprise. I do think that members here should have DEFINITELY been notified of this and should be told of all the sites our mental health discussions are being directed to.
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> I use Psych Central sometimes. It's interesting that Psych Central has so many members and has a larger Google turn out. Yet, individual forum posts are NOT Googlable there. And, as pointed out by someone, that site has a policy where others are NOT permitted to post links to forum posts or redistribute people's posts. It is against forum policy. They are also not Tweeted or linked with Facebook...yet, the site has a large # of members.
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> I don't use it that often, but feel safer and more comfortable there than I do here!
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> Yes, we should have a list of all the sites.Psych Central banned a member for lifting posts and using them in her blog. I was a member then. It appears to be a "no-brainer" for Dr. Grohol when someone does that. Consequences are swift.
Privacy is very important to Dr. Grohol.
Psych Central's stats for today......New in last 24 hours: 95 Members, 996 Posts
Posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 13:55:39
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares........... » violette, posted by fayeroe on July 22, 2010, at 13:16:50
Yeah, Dr. Grohol's concerns for privacy and safety is basically what I'd expect from a forum administrator who works in the mental health field. The disclaimer here - "posting gives me permission to do what I wish with your posts" (paraphrased) was very misleading to me, as I did not expect lack of safety and privacy concerns by a psychiatrist....If this wasn't the case, I'd have thought otherwise.
I rarely post at Psych Central since I discovered you are unable to edit your posts after some limited time...but the moderators said they would delete/edit posts upon request. I don't want to have a habit of posting anywhere where you are unable to later edit posts for various reasons...
Instead, I use a very supportive forum that allows editing at any time, and it has worked well there. People usually say I had to delete this or that because of x y z..people are so understanding. I was surprised to come across reasons people have edited or brought up the issue, things I did not think about...such as one person having felt 'exposed' while experiencing a change in mental health symptoms..(imagine the suffering if you were having a breakdown or psychotic breakthrough related to your posts and could not remove them-such as extreme paranoia) or another with a stalker IRL...
Anyway, I would feel comfortable here posting brief, one line medication questions or something here and there. But yeah, as far as forum improvements here, the safety and privacy issues helped steer me away from discussions here..as anyone with an imagination can think of reasons why aspects of this forum aside from the members could be detrimental to a person's mental health or someone's life in general.
There's a lot of things about this site that can worsen mental health. Thanks for pointing that out.
Posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 14:09:33
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares........... » violette, posted by fayeroe on July 22, 2010, at 13:16:50
I do wish Dr. Bob would say this site is less about support and more about research and observation. The research can be useful, but it's just very misleading when you account for all the aspects that most find unsupportive.
It is a good source of medication information, but I don't find it that supportive at all, despite there are supportive members here. I see people posting here crying for help, but no one answers...so the large # of posts and members at Psych Central..the chances are much higher of getting support.though the forum I use is very, very small, I don't see people in need of help being ignored like I see here.
Even if this site is more about information than support, Dr. Bob spends less time providing or updating information (look at all the old broken links and outdated medication information) than he does with things like Tweeting posts and spreading the information around. Marketing. Soemthing to add on a resume-top ten contributers to Organized Wisdom..as a result of spreading existing information around....
Oh well....I wish well for Dr. Bob and this site and members...but unfortunately, it appears he does not administer it in a way members think it would be most supportive or useful for us...so after trying, its just makes sense to find and use other places.
:)
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2010, at 14:49:28
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares........... » fayeroe, posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 14:09:33
> It is a good source of medication information, but I don't find it that supportive at all, despite there are supportive members here. I see people posting here crying for help, but no one answers...so the large # of posts and members at Psych Central..the chances are much higher of getting support.though the forum I use is very, very small, I don't see people in need of help being ignored like I see here.
I was just wondering...
When you leave a party, do you stand around telling everyone about the much better party you will be going to, and all the shortcomings of the fellow guests and host at the party you are leaving?
I think it's one thing to point out to Dr. Bob the things he's doing wrong before leaving. But some of your fellow guests do their best to be supportive. If you don't feel they meet your needs, that's fine of course. It certainly happens. Is it something you generally point out?
Of course, if you're extending an invitation to that much better party, that might be different. Are we all invited? Or do you maybe think that would change the more beneficial nature of the place you are going?
Otherwise, I understand your points, and all the many reasons you wish to leave Babble from your previous posts on the matter. But I'm starting to feel a bit hurt.
And of course I'm totally open to the idea that I'm misinterpreting your remarks entirely, and if I am, I apologize.
Posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 15:26:58
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares........... » violette, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2010, at 14:49:28
Dinah, I am sorry I said something to lead you to feel hurt. No, I don't generally talk about why I'm leaving a party to go to another. Of course, if there was an ongoing discussion as to why everyone was leaving the party, such as a group standing outside, or the hosts asks why everyone's leaving the party, I would likely join the discussions to add my opinions and try to help resolve the problem.
I have said there are supportive people here, that is a fact. It is also a fact that people post and sometimes no one answers...or one person may answer, while a drug discussion gets a dozen posts. That is a fact, not an opinion.
And the Administration forum is a place where people reguarly-like a group standing outside leaving the party--seem to discuss reasons for leaving. There are ongoing discussions here about the lack of forum members and people leaving, and efforts to improve the site. And I choose to talk about it.
And I am doing well and am confortable with the discussion, and hope that the site will improve to be more amneable to a mental health community, as there are repeated, ongoing discussions about the lack of members here and policies...including your own opinions about the effect the forums policies have on others-such as a rating system...
My posts are not much different than yours, as the policies and decisions have upset me too-as some have upset you. And I choose to talk about it too, as you have. Just becaues I am leaving the party does not mean I should not express my feelings that have obviously affected me. Talking about it is a healthy thing for me. Shoving it inside is not. And the result-maybe it could contribute to improvements to this site. Either way, it is positive to talk about it; I am not seeing this in a possible negative light as you pointed out.
I hope you are well too, and if you are not comfortable with the issues I am discussing, or my posts, I am sorry. :(
Posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 15:40:57
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares........... » violette, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2010, at 14:49:28
..and I might add--even though it was long ago, I have been in a position crying for help-while being left to suffer...repeatedly.
So maybe THAT bothers me when I see people posting for help and getting no responses. And maybe I, and others, would be more inclined to stick around here and respond to someones suffering if not for the rules here. And maybe IT bothers me that Dr. Bob repeatedly says-Twitter and Facebook will bring more support-while I see it drives people away...decreasing support for those who get no responses...
So did you think that MAYBE my concerns are JUST AS valid as your concerns about the poster rating system, regardless as to where I am going or where I have left??
Either way, whether me or the forum, I can see benefit from these discussions. Maybe if you feel upset you'd choose to not read my posts?
Dinah, I do care about you. I do care about others here. This issue has upset me, as things upset you too. And it is healthy to discuss-not just for me, but maybe someday those who cry out for help-rather than just shoving the feelings inside. But no worries-as I will not stick around too much longer. :)
Posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 16:43:49
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares........... » violette, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2010, at 14:49:28
Oh, I reread what I said and see what you were responding to:
> It is a good source of medication information, but I don't find it that supportive at all, despite there are supportive members here.
From a holistic view, I don't feel the forum (what I meant by 'it') is DESIGNED or MANAGED with support as the primary focus (it seems more designed/managed mostly for other purposes)...as I had said that although there are supportive members, there are many unanswered posts of people in need....
Does that clarify things better?
In regards to my 'jokes'..if that is part of it..It's a very common societal concept for people to write about things for which we have no control over. Although exaggerated examples: Political cartoons--while they might upset the politician or his supporters--can bring concepts in a different light. Stephen Colbert, James Stewart...bring attention to things in a different way-that are helpful in getting a message across to some who might not otherwise pay attention...actually, more than one might think as many people I have known are not interested in watching the 'news'...
And it is healthy, as some people unhappy with government do things such as blow up a federal building or send nerve agents through the mail...while someone with a healthy attitude in dealing with a situation, James Stewart being the example to convey my point-makes people laugh wile bringing awareness to issues otherwise ignored by some. People benefit, even if a small way.
Anway it would be distasteful and unhealthy (for me) to go to a new party 'bashing' the old party...instead, I'd rather enjoy the new party, even if my experience at the old party is still on my mind...
And I'd guess James Stewart and Stephen Colbert probably have a lot of 'enemies' for being vocal about their views....
Either way, I am not viewing my posts in the negative light you pointed out. I think, instead, it's positive, or at least that is how I feel and think about it as a whole.
Take care, Dinah.
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2010, at 16:46:14
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares........... » Dinah, posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 15:40:57
It's not that I don't think your points are as valid as mine, or that I mind you fussing at Dr. Bob, even. Everyone fusses at Dr. Bob - myself included, and that's fine by me. Certainly in my eyes there is reason enough at times.
But I do draw a distinction between Dr. Bob and other Babblers. You've mentioned a couple of times now that you've found a more supportive place or that Babble wasn't supportive, and I felt hurt because I did try to be supportive to you, and so did many others I think.
I do try to answer unanswered posts, even if I don't particularly think I can be overly helpful. Because I think the act of caring can be helpful in itself. It does feel bad not to be answered. I'm not alone either. I see many people who answer posts that haven't gotten many replies. Because so many of us know how it feels to be excluded.
That's one reason I hate the helpful/unhelpful idea. I know sometimes I answer posts even if I'm not sure what to say, even if I don't think I have the answers, even if I haven't been overly helpful to a particular poster in the past. If I'm going to be negatively judged because my answer isn't really all that "helpful" I think I'd be way less likely to answer.
If your comments were directed to Dr. Bob and not to other Babblers, then I misunderstood them and apologize for the defensive tone of my post. I just felt defensive for those of us who have chosen to stay and who do try to do our best, even with the extra difficulties that Dr. Bob's decisions sometimes present us with. I stay here for the Babblers that remain, not for Dr. Bob. Although I confess that at times I can be fond enough of him. At times he can be funny and even (gasp!) insightful. At other times I wonder if we're both earthlings.
I've been other places too. But I've never been anywhere where there were more mature, sensible, and *kind* posters than at Babble. If we agree on that, then we have no argument at all.
Posted by Dinah on July 22, 2010, at 16:47:43
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares..........., posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 16:43:49
Yes, that was the sentence I felt hurt by, and thank you for clarifying. I'm sorry for being a bit bristly.
You can ignore my previous post if you wish. :)
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 22, 2010, at 18:52:23
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares........... » violette, posted by Dinah on July 22, 2010, at 16:46:14
> there are many unanswered posts of people in need....
>
> violetteBe the change you wish to see:
> I do try to answer unanswered posts, even if I don't particularly think I can be overly helpful. Because I think the act of caring can be helpful in itself. It does feel bad not to be answered. I'm not alone either. I see many people who answer posts that haven't gotten many replies. Because so many of us know how it feels to be excluded.
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> DinahBob
Posted by ron1953 on July 22, 2010, at 19:20:55
In reply to Re: unanswered posts, posted by Dr. Bob on July 22, 2010, at 18:52:23
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> Be the change you wish to see:
>
The wisdom of Yoda
Posted by violette on July 22, 2010, at 20:07:54
In reply to Re: unanswered posts, posted by Dr. Bob on July 22, 2010, at 18:52:23
> there are many unanswered posts of people in need....
>
> violette"Be the change you wish to see"
Thanks Bob, but those CBT tricks don't work with me (handing power over to those who are powerless in a situation)....a person who has controls over something-like a forum-using this tactic is basically like handing people a glass of Kool Aid:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid
"CBT puts more power and control into the hands of the patient. Feeling powerful and in control in itself can be an antidote to depression. Feeling like a powerless victim is a formula for depression."
http://depressiongrief.suite101.com/article.cfm/cognitivebehavioral_therapy_cbt_for_sad
Besides those CBT tactics (which never helped me with depression, BTW), I don't well receive someone to sort of trick me/us into doing what they want...though it could have been well meaning in at least one aspect...
The point was--the lack of privacy afforded here discourages me and others from responding to people and using the forum for what it was intended...actually for what we thought it was for...and marketing has driven and drives people away.
Thanks but no thanks, I'd take my power that comes from within, without having to 'create' it through a thought (brainwashing & Pavlov)--and take it with me to a place where I can be the change I wish to see - where privacy concerns are addressed...as although once a victim in childhood-I am by no means a victim any longer...opportunities and choices are around every corner.
Whether or not you had understood what I had been trying to say, or even listened, I'm sure my posts here give you additional material and Google hits. Nice try, though...it has been somewhat-indirectly though-therapeutic to try to figure you out, Dr. Bob. I'd bet you even quietly chuckle about it sometimes too. :)
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/658826981-6835643/content~db=all~content=a903248050
Posted by Kath on September 21, 2010, at 10:45:19
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares........... » PartlyCloudy, posted by fayeroe on July 22, 2010, at 11:03:56
Just dropped by; first time in ages & skimming a bit. This was quite the thing to see! Oh boy.
Oh well, who are we posters anyhow? Just people who bare their injured/troubled hearts. I had originally understood that material here could be used for research. In my opinion FB, Tw & now this is NOT research.
SIGH. (I have to sigh....it would be too harmful for me to actually get in touch with the feelings this brings up.)
One very disappointed, disillusioned Kath
PS to Kath - why do you forget what you've learned in the past about coming to the Admin board??? Sometimes ignorance might be not bliss, but at least more healthy?
> > Well, he hardly needs the Facebook or Twitter buttons on the posts if he's doing it all himself, then.
> > What a lovely way to start the day - with a queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach!
> > Thanks, Bob!!
> > And thanks, Fayeroe, for letting us know.
> > pc
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> Wonder why he didn't tell us about this site? Maybe the FB/Twtr episode has put him in stealth mode?
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> Bob, would you be so kind and list every website where we can find "us"?
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> I shudder to think what would happen if we spent more time searching the WWW for our posts. I think that Bob may be the Energizer Bunny in disguise. He keeps going and going and going.
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> Ron saw the "large" label that Bob used for Babble. I don't know what "large" means to Bob. Babble isn't large-large. (thanks Whoopi)
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> 1. Psych Central
> About 1,410,000 results (0.30 seconds)
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> 2. Psycho Babble Administration
> About 23,000 results (0.23 seconds)
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Posted by Dr. Bob on October 3, 2010, at 16:40:39
In reply to Re: Check This Out! Bob Shares..........., posted by Kath on September 21, 2010, at 10:45:19
> I had originally understood that material here could be used for research. In my opinion FB, Tw & now this is NOT research.
I'm not currently using this site for research, but I have in the past and may again be in the future. Submitting a message here allows me unrestricted use of it.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#copyright
> SIGH. (I have to sigh....it would be too harmful for me to actually get in touch with the feelings this brings up.)
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> One very disappointed, disillusioned KathThanks for expressing that as an I-statement. Does anybody else feel disappointed or disillusioned?
Bob
Posted by Deneb on October 3, 2010, at 17:24:19
In reply to Re: disappointed and disillusioned, posted by Dr. Bob on October 3, 2010, at 16:40:39
This doesn't have anything to do with being disappointed or disillusioned. I just wanted to say that I would LOVE to be your guinea pig! ROFL I wanna be your guinea pig Dr. Bob!
I'd just love the attention. LOL Come study me! rofl
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