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Posted by Justherself54 on June 21, 2010, at 18:24:39
In reply to Re: Rejection of Meds Gives me Hope » bobman, posted by chujoe on June 20, 2010, at 14:43:11
Can you or someone explain to me why this thread has been allowed to remain on the medication board? This board is supposed to be for support and education.
I do not feel supported nor educated by this thread. If I wanted to explore a different approach for my mood disorder, through spirituality, I would go to the faith board.
The same goes for the biological vs. whatever. At this point, I don't care where my illness stems from..I have it..it is real. I just want to talk to others on the medication board who identify with me.
Jeez Louise, this is all kinds of crazymaking! Bulldog is so mad he's going to accept a block. I don't want to see any babbler get blocked. Perhaps if this thread has been put where it belonged, on the social board, it wouldn't have escalated to the point where blocks are going to be handed out.
Frick sakes Dr. Bob. I hold you partly responsible for letting this get out of hand in the first place.
Posted by Conundrum on June 21, 2010, at 18:24:40
In reply to Re: Rejection of Meds Gives me Hope- Dr. Bob, posted by Justherself54 on June 20, 2010, at 15:05:40
Isn't there a degree of personal responsibility when reading threads? If a thread is called "Rejection of Meds Gives me Hope" and you feel that would make you feel bad, why bother reading it and get aggravated? I personally don't understand why people feel justified in being offended over something they knew they would bother them in the first place.
The thread could be educational to someone on the fence about taking a med. They have to know the good and bad experiences. Drugs can be life altering for better and worse.
Posted by bobman on June 21, 2010, at 18:24:40
In reply to Re: Rejection of Meds Gives me Hope- Dr. Bob » Justherself54, posted by Conundrum on June 20, 2010, at 15:41:22
Yeah, I agree. Let's not get worked up about this. I just wanted to share my experiences; that after a total of 4 years of medication (2 on paxil and later 2 more on lamictal 6 months cymbalta/1 year wellbutrin), I have been completely clean for nearly 16 months, without relapsing once, and without experiencing any more depresion or anxiety. The cognitive issues brought on by lamictal are still difficult to deal with on a daily basis, but month to month I notice improvements, and the cumulative result is that I perform much better in school now than I did during the time I was taking medication. I no longer have word finding difficulty, my memories are coming back, I'm remembering all the math I had forgotten, etc.
There is the possibility to recover without medication. And so I reject medications as a solution, because my personal experience with medication was full of nasty side effects, many of which are essentially permanent in that they dissipate only over extremely protracted periods without medication. For others who, like me 16 months ago, question the official line on psychiatric illness, I want to be of help. For those who enjoy their medication, and write off alternatives to recovery as "faith based" medicine, please do not insult all the hard work that I've put into this, don't insult my intelligence and ability to realize what works and what doesn't, and give others a chance to find peace without spending another day tied to this country's psychiatric care system.
Posted by SLS on June 21, 2010, at 18:24:40
In reply to Re: Rejection of Meds Gives me Hope- Dr. Bob, posted by bobman on June 20, 2010, at 17:20:51
> There is the possibility...
For whom?
> ...to recover without medication.
> And so I reject medications as a solution
You can for yourself, of course.
> I want to be of help.
Ok.
> For those who enjoy their medication...
Enjoy?
> please do not insult all the hard work that I've put into this
You are only 24. How much work could you have possibly put into this compared to someone who is 54?
> don't insult my intelligence
Yeah, really.
> and ability to realize what works and what doesn't
For whom?
> and give others a chance to find peace without spending another day tied to this country's psychiatric care system.
That is quite altruistic.
- Scott
Posted by bobman on June 21, 2010, at 18:24:40
In reply to Re: Rejection of Meds Gives me Hope- Dr. Bob » bobman, posted by SLS on June 20, 2010, at 17:37:39
> > There is the possibility...
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> For whom?
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> > ...to recover without medication.
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> > And so I reject medications as a solution
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> You can for yourself, of course.
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> > I want to be of help.
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> Ok.
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> > For those who enjoy their medication...
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> Enjoy?
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> > please do not insult all the hard work that I've put into this
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> You are only 24. How much work could you have possibly put into this compared to someone who is 54?
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> > don't insult my intelligence
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> Yeah, really.
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> > and ability to realize what works and what doesn't
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> For whom?
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> > and give others a chance to find peace without spending another day tied to this country's psychiatric care system.
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> That is quite altruistic.
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> - Scott
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>Scott, I'm not really sure what you're trying to do other than attack me. Is there some information you want to convey, or is it just going to be more of this? I don't think this thread is appropriate for you. It's natural for people to disagree, but if you disagree with the anti-med stance, please leave the thread clearly titled "Rejection of Meds Gives Me Hope".
Posted by chujoe on June 21, 2010, at 18:24:40
In reply to Re: Rejection of Meds Gives me Hope- Dr. Bob, posted by bobman on June 20, 2010, at 17:20:51
>...don't insult my intelligence and ability to realize what works and what doesn't...<
That's all I've been asking for too, but instead I hear condescending posts that assume I don't know that the terrible SNRI I take is ruining my brain. So I won't insult the intelligence of the anti-med movement if they will agree not to insult mine.
I'd be curious to know, by the way, what prompted you to take meds in the first place? Was it your school or parents who pressured you into medication? Maybe you didn't need to be medicated in the first place -- psych drugs are certainly over-prescribed, especially for the young. Which does not mean they are evil or ineffective, just over-prescribed.
Posted by Huxley on June 21, 2010, at 18:24:41
In reply to Re: Rejection of Meds Gives me Hope- Dr. Bob, posted by chujoe on June 20, 2010, at 18:30:57
Ok.
Can the people in here who are clearly trying to derail this thread please desist. This thread and peoples experiences with what I am going through is helping me alot and that is why I started it.
If you find it offensive that some of us choose to question psychiatry then please do not read this. It is not going to be beneficial for you and will probably just agitate you.
Posted by bobman on June 21, 2010, at 18:24:41
In reply to Re: Rejection of Meds Gives me Hope- Dr. Bob, posted by chujoe on June 20, 2010, at 18:30:57
> >...don't insult my intelligence and ability to realize what works and what doesn't...<
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> That's all I've been asking for too, but instead I hear condescending posts that assume I don't know that the terrible SNRI I take is ruining my brain. So I won't insult the intelligence of the anti-med movement if they will agree not to insult mine.
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> I'd be curious to know, by the way, what prompted you to take meds in the first place? Was it your school or parents who pressured you into medication? Maybe you didn't need to be medicated in the first place -- psych drugs are certainly over-prescribed, especially for the young. Which does not mean they are evil or ineffective, just over-prescribed.I was accepted to a prestigious boarding school, school of two former presidents, on 80% scholarship, and couldn't handle the pressure. Many that go through that school have a similar experience, it was an insane pressure cooker. I lived next to a billionare my 2nd year, right above me was the son of the NAACP legal head. My family doesn't have money, so my success was riding on my efforts, and it was very stressful. I was given paxil for anxiety.
The next, lamictal, I was given as I was desperately trying to come off a smoking habit. My gradnfather was diagnosed with stage IV lung cancer, and my mother was devastated out of concern for my safety. I had to quit to keep her sane. We're immigrants, and most of my family is overseas...his sickness killed us. I was given lamictal for "racing thoughts" and diagnosed (in order of diagnosis) hypomanic, bipolar type II, adhd, and later, as I refused further treatment, declassified with a "non-biological" mental issue. However, at the time I was prescribed, and for the 4 years I was strung out on meds, I was considered sick.
And I don't want to insult anyone's experience on medication. If it works for you, that's great, and I hope it stays that way. But unless you have experience coming off & living without medication, this thread isn't for you.Please respect that. It's inappropriate to have this back and forth bantering debating med vs anti-med positions; that isn't what Huxley made this thread for. If you have some credible evidence suggesting that the herbs I mentioned clearly don't have a significant impact on neuronal proliferation & recovery, or on general well-being, please post that. Otherwise, let's just leave the issue alone, or pm me if you really want to have a medical discussion on the topic.
Posted by SLS on June 21, 2010, at 18:24:41
In reply to Re: Rejection of Meds Gives me Hope- Dr. Bob, posted by Huxley on June 20, 2010, at 18:57:07
> Ok.
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> Can the people in here who are clearly trying to derail this thread please desist. This thread and peoples experiences with what I am going through is helping me alot and that is why I started it.
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> If you find it offensive that some of us choose to question psychiatry then please do not read this. It is not going to be beneficial for you and will probably just agitate you.
I didn't know that this was meant to be an exclusive arrangement. I guess it's only fair, though, since the antithesis thread is supposed to be. Still, it seems like a rather impotent approach towards synthesizing ideas that more closely resemble an accurate depiction of mental illness. Consider this my feeble attempt at effecting altruism.
- Scott
Posted by Huxley on June 21, 2010, at 18:24:41
In reply to Re: Rejection of Meds Gives me Hope- Dr. Bob » Huxley, posted by SLS on June 20, 2010, at 19:08:38
> > Ok.
> >
> > Can the people in here who are clearly trying to derail this thread please desist. This thread and peoples experiences with what I am going through is helping me alot and that is why I started it.
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> > If you find it offensive that some of us choose to question psychiatry then please do not read this. It is not going to be beneficial for you and will probably just agitate you.
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> I didn't know that this was meant to be an exclusive arrangement. I guess it's only fair, though, since the antithesis thread is supposed to be. Still, it seems like a rather impotent approach towards synthesizing ideas that more closely resemble an accurate depiction of mental illness. Consider this my feeble attempt at effecting altruism.
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> - ScottHi Scott,
Sorry, maybe I worded that incorrectly. I am quite happy discussing the pro's and cons of psychiatry. Infact that is why I started the thread and I am learning alot about it from both sides of the fence.
I guess there were just a few posts (not naming any names) that I thought were not really in the spirit of free discussion.
But anyway moving on.
Posted by fayeroe on June 22, 2010, at 17:20:23
In reply to Re: Rejection of Meds Gives me Hope- Dr. Bob, posted by bobman on June 21, 2010, at 18:24:40
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 22, 2010, at 19:08:33
In reply to Re: Rejection of Meds Gives me Hope- Dr. Bob, posted by Justherself54 on June 21, 2010, at 18:24:39
> Can you or someone explain to me why this thread has been allowed to remain on the medication board?
It's mostly medication-related, and I've tried to redirect the other sections.
> Bulldog is so mad he's going to accept a block. I don't want to see any babbler get blocked. Perhaps if this thread has been put where it belonged, on the social board, it wouldn't have escalated to the point where blocks are going to be handed out.
It's a challenge for us all, trying to keep things from escalating and dealing with them when they do!
Bob
Posted by sigismund on June 22, 2010, at 22:11:10
In reply to Re:I enjoy my meds....almost as much as my sanity (nm) » bobman, posted by fayeroe on June 22, 2010, at 17:20:23
How goes it with you?
This is the end of the thread.
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