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Posted by seldomseen on October 26, 2009, at 7:16:44
In reply to involuntary tweet / facebook options?, posted by floatingbridge on October 25, 2009, at 20:20:45
I would have hoped that there would have been some advanced notice/discussion of this prior its implementation. This linking just makes it more likely that someone could discover our real identities, and we should have been made aware of increased likelihood of that adverse event.
I also wish that the ability to link would show up only on posts that I wrote. Something just feels very amiss now that anyone, and not just Dr. Bob could tweet my posts. By posting, I freely gave permssion to Dr. Bob to use my posts, I did not specifically give any one else that permission.
I am aware that the internet is free game, and anyone can do anything with what I write, but this is giving the immediate tools to do so.I also contend, and absolutely agree with the poster that would like to see this ability to share limited only to new posts. That would also decrease the likelihood of inadvertent discovery, by allowing posters to censor their posts.
I know this might not be possible, and may seem outright exclusionary, but I would also like for the psychology board to be exempt from this sharing. Posters there share some very intimate things about themselves and their therapists. That board "works" because of the creation of a supportive space. Yes, it is the internet, but there is a strong sense of community and safety on that board.
Surely Dr. Bob would not consider allowing other posters to share people's posts on a rape crisis board, or a sexual abuse board. It would be outrageous and demeaning. Sometimes that level of intimacy is reached on the psych board.
All in all, I see a significant increase in risk involved now when posting at babble, and I was not informed of this increase prior to its implementation. Even if this is just an increase in *perceived* risk, it would still influence participation.
I would truly hope that Dr. Bob would at least implement the above measures to decrease this risk.
Seldom
Posted by rskontos on October 26, 2009, at 8:55:03
In reply to This represents a marked increase in risk., posted by seldomseen on October 26, 2009, at 7:16:44
I emailed him demanding to be deleted. He is not trustworthy. And this action is uncivil to all of us that requested not to be splashed all over twitter or facebook. I am not following him.
He wants us to participate here but he destroyed the facade of privacy and a mutual participation here. He took all of us, and is now using our pain and suffering the way he wants to.
My initial feelings of being a lab rat have come to pass.
I am out of here for good. I want to be blocked. i want to be DELETED from this site.
THis is not a good place anymore because of Dr. Bob. He ruined it.
rsk
Posted by rskontos on October 26, 2009, at 9:03:57
In reply to This represents a marked increase in risk., posted by seldomseen on October 26, 2009, at 7:16:44
just a lazy way to twitter and to reflect all back to this site. Why not let the two remain separate like you said you would. I see that you have posted/twittered posts from babblers that said no, like SLS, Dinah, Seldom and others. Why did you do that when you said you wouldn't. How can you be trusted now?
I can't believe you would do this. It is shocking.
Posted by blahblahblah on October 26, 2009, at 9:15:38
In reply to involuntary tweet / facebook options?, posted by floatingbridge on October 25, 2009, at 20:20:45
I think the best solution for this would be for Babble to have a setting where we can choose to have the tweet/facebook option under our posts or not. That way people that are fine about it will have the icons under their posts, and people that aren't will select a setting where the icon's will not be there. That should keep the babblers, and Dr.Bob happy (to assume he wanted it there for reasons).
Posted by Dinah on October 26, 2009, at 9:56:27
In reply to Re: Not to mention Dr Bob that it is, posted by rskontos on October 26, 2009, at 9:03:57
I hadn't said no to Dr. Bob tweeting my posts.
I would say no to this, if I had a choice. At least with Dr. Bob I could go to his twitter page and see what he'd done. Inviting others to tweet posts feels totally different to me. At best, it gives me the creepy (to me) feeling of having people talking behind my back, in semi-public. At worst, I can see a potential that this could be used for online bullying. If Dr. Bob is giving the invite for people to use posts in this way, I hope he's also taking the responsibility for how they might be used.
I know it could always be done. But there wasn't always a button saying "Tweet Me" at the bottom of each post.
In the end it might be moot. Linking babble from your real Twitter or Facebook pages is giving those from your real life, coworkers, employers, friends, family, former schoolmates, whatever, a pretty good hint that you post here, and your posting identity might not be all that anonymous among people who know you. (Using the universal you here of course.) I can't imagine that most people would want their onscreen babble personas linked with their real life identities. So it might be just a few "real" twitter or facebook identities, and a few specially created ones that would be unlikely to be discovered by many outside a small circle who already know Babble.
As it is, I just won't post anything that matters to me. Unfortunately, I can't go back in time and choose what to post knowing this use, because it wasn't an issue then. Context is everything. Finding Babble through Google shows everything I post in context. Tweeting or linking of Facebook is a selective process that might not show context. For example, people could tweet certain blocks of Dr. Bob or certain responses he has given over the years, and out of context it might give the wrong appearance.
I'm very very disappointed that Dr. Bob did this, and how he did this. No mention beforehand, just a tweet announcing it after the fact. I had expected a more open introduction. I am also disappointed that there is no warning about the potential consequences of linking Babble to real life twitter and Facebook personas.
I can't believe that Facebook and Twitter allow this to be done against the will of the poster. There ought to be a law.
{I request that no one tweet any of my posts without asking me first.}
Posted by Dinah on October 26, 2009, at 10:26:03
In reply to Re: Not to mention Dr Bob that it is » rskontos, posted by Dinah on October 26, 2009, at 9:56:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrRUXsDumrM&feature=channel
About a minute and a half in.
Dr. Bob, you presented this to us on a garbage can lid.
Posted by Dinah on October 26, 2009, at 10:49:50
In reply to Oh, and Dr. Bob?, posted by Dinah on October 26, 2009, at 10:26:03
Does this have something to do with your tweet on October 18 on your Dr Bob twitter page, not Babble's Twitter page.
Posted by floatingbridge on October 26, 2009, at 11:02:08
In reply to Re: involuntary tweet / facebook options? » Dinah, posted by floatingbridge on October 25, 2009, at 21:03:55
I have never been heavily involved in admin workings or musings on Dr. Bob. I've been posting since late last winter early spring and have found friends and support here.
I signed the no tweet list earlier this year. Is there no honoring of this agreement? Is their no respect for the feelings and wishes of some of the posters here who have requested, for various reasons, at least a sense of privacy and some control over their posts?
The icons can go away as easily and quickly as they appeared. Why not? This is not irreversible. Besides, what is to be gained by this new way of sharing through facebook and twitter?
One poster aptly pointed out the abuse potential of these icons--for bullying or outing. I do know, as some have pointed out, there is no real internet privacy. However, before one would really have to make a pointed effort to dig and connect username to person or to share posts.
I really do not understand, and I post here today in the hopes that this can be rectified.
fb
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 26, 2009, at 11:08:55
In reply to involuntary tweet / facebook options?, posted by floatingbridge on October 25, 2009, at 20:20:45
> I noticed this evening for the first time that at the bottom of each post was a share option for Facebook or Twitter.
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> I'm confused and concerned.Hi, everyone,
Sorry about springing those on you all. I'm working on an adjustment to address some of your concerns. I'll reply in more detail later. Thanks for your patience,
Bob
Posted by rskontos on October 26, 2009, at 11:48:13
In reply to Oh, and Dr. Bob?, posted by Dinah on October 26, 2009, at 10:26:03
Posted by Dinah on October 26, 2009, at 12:28:44
In reply to Re: tweet / facebook options, posted by Dr. Bob on October 26, 2009, at 11:08:55
I'll reserve judgment until I hear about the adjustments.
But I remind you that if you had talked about it first, you could have put the adjustments in first *before* implementing it.
I try to be respectful in my interactions with you, and I think it would have been respectful of you to discuss this with us first.
Posted by 10derHeart on October 26, 2009, at 15:03:32
In reply to Oh, and Dr. Bob?, posted by Dinah on October 26, 2009, at 10:26:03
Yup.
Thus the smell and instant recoil.
(Boy, I had forgotten how much I enjoy that show...)
Posted by 10derHeart on October 26, 2009, at 15:17:09
In reply to Re: tweet / facebook options, posted by Dr. Bob on October 26, 2009, at 11:08:55
Your adjustment is to add a link to the "DR BOB please don't YOU Tweet my posts" list here at Babble?
That's it? YOU already should not (and are not, as far as I know) be using posts on Twitter from those that don't want you to. I know you **personally** wouldn't do that.
But how does te new link prevent (Okay - since Babble isn't private - "discourage"...) other people who have accounts at Facebook and/or Twitter, from linking to or Tweeting posts? The honor system? While that would hopefully (but no guarantees, obviously) stop Babblers from violating the wishes of their fellow Babblers, what would it do for other folks?
I thought that was the point of the buttons? For anyones and everyones ease of linking, not for YOUR convenience? (The latter would be silly considering the length of the No Twitter thread)
If I say, disliked Poster ABC intensely, was tired of them and wanted to paint them in the worst light, embarrass them or bully them, couldn't I collect up their posts fairly quickly and easily and list them en masse, on say, my Facebook page (don't have one, but this is hypothetical), with accompanying derisive commentary, AND if I were so inclined, might I not be MORE encouraged seeing they'd asked YOU not to Twitter, etc., their posts? Might I not kinda LIKE that, even? Would I give a damn if I were that type of person??
Maybe I am totally lost. Perhaps someone could straighten out my thinking??
Posted by seldomseen on October 26, 2009, at 15:54:58
In reply to Now I am confused » Dr. Bob, posted by 10derHeart on October 26, 2009, at 15:17:09
Well, the addition of this list is a good start. Perhaps our other requests are more difficult to fix, so it's taking longer.
At least that's what I hope.
Seldom.
Posted by 10derHeart on October 26, 2009, at 16:18:51
In reply to Re: Now I am confused, posted by seldomseen on October 26, 2009, at 15:54:58
> Well, the addition of this list is a good start.
Okay, I guess. Still don't see exactly why/how it helps the "new" issue, since the thread only applies to Dr. Bob himself.
I am really dense. I really don't easily grasp what others do. I really need examples, or to be talked to like a child to see things.
>Perhaps our other requests are more difficult to fix, so it's taking longer.
Ah, faith, hope and optimism. I *think* I still know where to find those re: Dr. Bob....let me rummage through my closet.... <small grin>
Seriously...I think Dr. Bob really really wants this, and so....well....
Posted by Dinah on October 26, 2009, at 16:42:01
In reply to Now I am confused » Dr. Bob, posted by 10derHeart on October 26, 2009, at 15:17:09
I don't get it either, unless if you've opted out it somehow prevents the other two buttons from working.
Posted by floatingbridge on October 26, 2009, at 18:12:45
In reply to I don't understand » floatingbridge, posted by floatingbridge on October 26, 2009, at 11:02:08
That new button just links me to my request not to be tweeted posted this summer. Does this prevent my posts being shared on facebook or twitter?
Again, I ask--can the sharing icons go away?
confused more,
fb
Posted by Phillipa on October 26, 2009, at 20:47:12
In reply to I still don't understand » floatingbridge, posted by floatingbridge on October 26, 2009, at 18:12:45
Just home I see the do not twitter button do you touch it or leave it alone? I signed the do not share my posts on twitter in the past. P
Posted by 10derHeart on October 26, 2009, at 21:02:56
In reply to Re: I still don't understand » floatingbridge, posted by Phillipa on October 26, 2009, at 20:47:12
It's not a button.
It is just a link to the old opt-out thread from this summer.
Click on it and you can tell Bob what you already told him before.
Posted by Phillipa on October 26, 2009, at 22:20:17
In reply to Re: I still don't understand » Phillipa, posted by 10derHeart on October 26, 2009, at 21:02:56
10der more important now there is extremly suicidal person on substance abuse we're notifying and if you know how to get Bob could you please???? So I push it and then it's extra protection? But the poster. Phillipa
Posted by 10derHeart on October 26, 2009, at 23:14:06
In reply to Re: I still don't understand » 10derHeart, posted by Phillipa on October 26, 2009, at 22:20:17
> 10der more important now there is extremly suicidal person on substance abuse we're notifying and if you know how to get Bob could you please????
See Dinah's post from 4 or 5 hours ago:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090813/msgs/922709.html
I am not a deputy and have deleted/disposed of any information I used to have on how to contact Dr. Bob. Sorry. i don't have any access you don't have. I am not much help in those situations overall anyway.
>So I push it and then it's extra protection?
I don't think so. You are just repeating your prior request to Dr. Bob. But who knows and can specifically explain? ....only one person and that will have to wait, as it generally does.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 27, 2009, at 3:51:19
In reply to Re: This sucks and I don't trust Dr. Bob at all, posted by rskontos on October 26, 2009, at 8:55:03
> He is not trustworthy.
Please don't post anything that could lead others (including me) to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 27, 2009, at 4:59:06
In reply to Now I am confused » Dr. Bob, posted by 10derHeart on October 26, 2009, at 15:17:09
Hi, everyone,
Sorry about surprising so many of you like this!
Anxiety is a natural response to change, and I think the reaction here is in part a sign of cohesiveness and a desire to protect this community from disruption. Like you, however, Facebook and Twitter users are real people who can benefit from support and education. Sharing and tweeting might lead them to the many thoughtful and intelligent posts here, and then they might join Babble and contribute new perspectives and energy. I think good can come of this -- for current posters, for new posters, and for this community as a whole. I'd like to ask you to try to be open to that possibility.
As several of you have mentioned, posts here have always been public and available for sharing, including on Facebook and Twitter when they came along. A dialectic of this community is that it is public, yet can feel private. Maybe another way the new buttons can help is as reminders of the public aspect.
I understand that because of the private aspect, some of you may feel exposed and vulnerable. Posts can, however, be personal without identifying you. It's up to you not to post identifying information.
Still, what you post may conceivably be used against you. As in 10der's hypothetical example. But all use of Facebook and Twitter is subject to their terms of service:
http://www.facebook.com/terms.php
http://twitter.com/tosI added a link to the "do not share/tweet" list so people can take into account the preferences of posters. And posters can continue to make their preferences known. I assume those who don't want me tweeting their posts don't want others doing so, either. If that's not the case, they can clarify that there.
By default, sharing/tweeting includes the subject line and the URL of the post. In the case of Facebook, it also includes the beginning of the post (the same "preview", which excludes quoted text, that you get when you mouse over a link to it here). In both cases, people can edit before they submit.
Yes, babblemail remains private.
Yes, if you become a fan of Psycho-Babble on Facebook or follow @psycho_babel on Twitter, your Facebook or Twitter account links you to Babble. But that doesn't mean you're necessarily a Babbler, and if you are a Babbler, it doesn't identify which Babbler you are. And using the share/tweet buttons doesn't automatically make you a Facebook fan or a Twitter follower.
I don't think it would necessarily be sick, twisted, outrageous, or demeaning to share/tweet a post about suicidality or rape or abuse. People post in the first place because they're looking for support or information, and they're more likely to find it if more people see their post.
Bob
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> And how does this work? If a post contains a history of several posts, can someone's writing end up where they don't want it just by virtue of being buried in another post?
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> emme> I am unhappy and angry about this. I really get a lot of support from this community. Dr. Bob promised--promised--this would not happen earlier this year w/ the no tweet list. This new system seems crazy. Sharing one's own post is one thing. Frankly, I find this situation open to abuse and leaving anyone vulnerable. ... Certainly I will babblemail henceforth unless there is a change in policy. I assume babblemail privacy has remained unchanged. Does anyone know if this is correct?
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> fb> I also think there should be a warning that tweeting or linking to your real life twitter or facebook accounts links babble to your real self.
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> Dinah> discussions that should be private, helpful information (including this post) [are] splattered all over Google FOREVER
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> yxibow> While I realize anyone can cut and past what we've wrote and put it on their facebook account, I think its intrusive to encourage people to do this - its encouraging by the ease of clicking that button, plus it may be make it tempting just for it being there.
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> There are people discussing their suicidal feelings on this site. It seems sick and twisted to have facebook and twitter icons at the bottom of their posts, along with many others....
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> psych chat> the web is a public place. I suppose as far as the linking goes, people could always do that. Nothing I know of prevents anyone from placing a linked URL to anything on Babble on any other web page, to include Facebook and Twitter. Any URL can be copied and pasted in a couple seconds...many of us probably do it all the time in passing on info we've like someone else to read.... Not that I do it with someone's individual post here, but that's more of an ethical thing for me personally. Babble and all its posts are public, non-restricted, and have been all along. The little buttons just perhaps make it easier, more convenient, for someone to create the link??
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> 10derHeart> This has changed things for me. I realize that what we write here is available for the galaxy to read and that links can be posted on other web pages, but a direct pipeline to facebook and twitter makes me very uncomfortable.
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> emme> I would have hoped that there would have been some advanced notice/discussion of this prior its implementation. This linking just makes it more likely that someone could discover our real identities, and we should have been made aware of increased likelihood of that adverse event.
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> I also wish that the ability to link would show up only on posts that I wrote. Something just feels very amiss now that anyone, and not just Dr. Bob could tweet my posts. By posting, I freely gave permssion to Dr. Bob to use my posts, I did not specifically give any one else that permission.
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> I am aware that the internet is free game, and anyone can do anything with what I write, but this is giving the immediate tools to do so.
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> Surely Dr. Bob would not consider allowing other posters to share people's posts on a rape crisis board, or a sexual abuse board. It would be outrageous and demeaning. Sometimes that level of intimacy is reached on the psych board.
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> Seldom> If I say, disliked Poster ABC intensely, was tired of them and wanted to paint them in the worst light, embarrass them or bully them, couldn't I collect up their posts fairly quickly and easily and list them en masse, on say, my Facebook page (don't have one, but this is hypothetical), with accompanying derisive commentary, AND if I were so inclined, might I not be MORE encouraged seeing they'd asked YOU not to Twitter, etc., their posts? Might I not kinda LIKE that, even? Would I give a damn if I were that type of person??
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> 10derHeart
Posted by 10derHeart on October 27, 2009, at 5:09:12
In reply to Re: tweet / facebook options, posted by Dr. Bob on October 27, 2009, at 4:59:06
Posted by Deneb on October 27, 2009, at 5:29:03
In reply to So why are the buttons disabled? (nm) » Dr. Bob, posted by 10derHeart on October 27, 2009, at 5:09:12
They're not disabled for me.
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