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Posted by Deneb on July 8, 2009, at 22:19:14
In reply to Re: trust » twinleaf, posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2009, at 22:03:37
Dr. Bob is not currently conducting research on this site. I think he is just promoting Babble.
I'm OK with research though, I wanna be a guinea pig. LOL They're cute.
I think it would be great for people to learn more because of what we write. I would love to contribute to other people's knowledge. I think we can really make a difference.
Posted by twinleaf on July 8, 2009, at 22:26:24
In reply to Re: Research » fayeroe, posted by Deneb on July 8, 2009, at 22:19:14
Don't we still have those anonymous posters with us who are part of a research project that Bob told us we were going to have? He said he would tell us about it after it was completed, but he hasn't said anything yet.
Posted by twinleaf on July 8, 2009, at 22:28:26
In reply to Re: trust » twinleaf, posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2009, at 22:03:37
It could be happening now on one of the other forums.
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 9, 2009, at 3:47:10
In reply to Re: trust » twinleaf, posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2009, at 22:03:37
> Wouldn't it be something if a psychiatrist somewhere started up a mental health support forum to help facilitate healing for the posters?
>
> A psychiatrist who wouldn't set one up to grease his own wheels by using vulnerable people's posts for his research.
>
> Sigh...........fayeroe,
You wrote,[...a psychiatrist who wouldn't set one up to grease his own wheels by using vulnerable people's posts for his research...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have a better understanding odf what you write here and respond accordingly.
A. What do you want to mean by [...set one up...]?
B. If you could define what you are wanting to mean by {set up}, then could you post a URL here to exemplify such?
C. What are youu wanting to mean by [...to grease his own wheels...]?
D. If you could define that phrase above, then could you post a URL here to exemplify such?
E. Is there a possibility that one reading your post could identify any specific person from what you wrote? If not, what in your post could rule out any particular person that is a psychiatrist?
Lou
Posted by twinleaf on July 9, 2009, at 6:22:46
In reply to Re: trust » twinleaf, posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2009, at 22:03:37
I think all this time, I have been assuming, or at least hoping, that this site was being run according to the Hippocratic oath which all physicians take, and which says, in part, "first, do no harm". It's been a long struggle for me to realize that that wonderful, 2000-year-old ideal has apparently been left behind in the information age.
Posted by fayeroe on July 9, 2009, at 9:36:20
In reply to Lou's request-mekanick, posted by Lou Pilder on July 9, 2009, at 3:47:10
Lou, I believe that I've told you NO three times in the last 10 days or so.
Please don't ask me to explain my posts to you.
Thank you
Posted by fayeroe on July 9, 2009, at 9:48:44
In reply to Re: trust » fayeroe, posted by twinleaf on July 9, 2009, at 6:22:46
> I think all this time, I have been assuming, or at least hoping, that this site was being run according to the Hippocratic oath which all physicians take, and which says, in part, "first, do no harm". It's been a long struggle for me to realize that that wonderful, 2000-year-old ideal has apparently been left behind in the information age.
I understand. Having spent half of my adult life observing people in the medical field, I know, that for the most part, the Hippocratic oath is in place.
When I came here, I was dying from withdrawal from EfexxorXR?. I think the XR was on the med I took.......whatever it said, it was killing me. I lost 38 pounds on it. I am 5' tall. I was wearing size 0 (zero) pants.
I was looking for information and found Babble. I wasn't well enough to see what I was signing away when I joined the forums. All I wanted was for someone to help me get off the med!! I found people who either were going through the same thing or they had managed to get off of the drug.
The emotional reassurance was what I needed. I needed to know that I would get through my pain.
My pharmacist and I devised a plan and after 6 or 7 months, I was free from EfexxorXR?
To tell you the truth, until it was brought up I didn't know I had signed the release.I am proof of someone coming here and signing up and never knowing that my words would be used by the site owner.
I have good friends here. I hate to start over. (I did go another forum and stay 2 years or so.) If I quit here, I doubt that I will risk putting it out there again.
Posted by twinleaf on July 9, 2009, at 15:25:23
In reply to Re: trust » twinleaf, posted by fayeroe on July 9, 2009, at 9:48:44
I'm so glad you told me how it started for you here. I think it's very similar for lots of people- we hit a very hard place with medications or therapy, or life itself, and are so much in need of new answers and approaches that when we find a place like Babble, which has so much to offer, we don't notice the down sides, like the severe blocking policies, or the signing away of our rights to privacy. I'm just like you- I didn't really notice either.
Babble does have such a lot to offer. I do think that it's very possible that it will develop in positive ways- the severe blocking policies may be toned down to a reasonable and fair level, and the administration may develop an increased respect for the rights and privacy of the entire community. It could happen!
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 9, 2009, at 17:59:55
In reply to Re: trust » rskontos, posted by twinleaf on July 8, 2009, at 16:30:39
> Bob ... has demonstrated so little understanding of how important privacy is for us
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you. I do hope you choose to remain a member of this community and other community members help you, if needed, to avoid future blocks.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
PS: According to the formula:
duration of previous block: 12 weeks
period of time since previous block: 7 weeks
severity: 2 (default)
block length = 19.66 rounded = 20 weeks
Posted by rskontos on July 10, 2009, at 1:06:49
In reply to Re: blocked for 20 weeks » twinleaf, posted by Dr. Bob on July 9, 2009, at 17:59:55
Ok Dr. Bob you have pissed me off for blocking Twinleaf. How is what she said "> Bob ... has demonstrated so little understanding of how important privacy is for us, offensive by anyone but you.
I remember so many times people actually cussed you and you did not block them. What changed. Did your skin thin out.
How can you block posters for saying things that are only directed to you, if you aren't a member of this site but the administrator.
I agree with her. I feel like the use of my words on twitter without my permission is wrong. I am feeling so badly now I am leaving.
I have never rec'd a PBC or a block. But now I don't really care what you do to me. Block me, because I erasing my bookmarks to this site and I am not going to help support a site that blocks for something I feel is a silly interpretation on your part. Not real uncivility on Twinleaf's part.
You know for a administrative you are showing a remarkedly hard heart in my view.
Now you can take this as an attack, but I feel like this is a complete waste of time. The traffic on psychology board is way off. I remember a time I could barely keep up with the new threads and posts. Now count the new ones. Very few.
And whose to blame. Look in the mirror.
And if you have read all my posts in the past I never get like this but I am feed up with all the cr@p going on.
I will leave my båbblemail on for a short time just so those I call friends can contact me for my real email address and then I will disable my entire account.
This is the final straw as far as i am concerned. This post is only intended for you Dr. Bob no one else should feel put down. You should not either you should take it for constructive criticism and learn that we are mentally needing support not you.
I could say the statement Twinleaf said to you to my p-doc, a Menniger trained psychiatrist and he would be ok with it and not feel put down. Why does it bother you so much.
..Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down...
Again the above referenced post by you, is that you are the only others that can feel put down.
I am sorry deputies if you must deal with this post because again it is intended for Dr. Bob only.
I will not read any of his responses because at this point I will he doesn't want to get us.
He makes me feel put down and under valued. I am not trying to make anyone feel accused or put down or undervalued, I am just tired of Dr. Bob making me and people I care about feel badly after expressing their views.
peace to all.
rsk
Man this gets me boiling.
Adios all.
**Disclaimer in the process of writing this post, it was not my intention to make anyone feel bad, just needed to say my piece, I have stayed quiet too long and tried to play nicely in the civility guidelines but I feel Dr. Bob is overreaching his authority. Dr. Bob I don't feel you are bad person just acting like a member here (and I don't think you really are or should be )who cannot begin to feel like us. Have you ever had therapy. Can you really relate to us.**
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 10, 2009, at 3:20:51
In reply to Re: blocked for 20 weeks » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on July 10, 2009, at 1:06:49
> I remember so many times people actually cussed you and you did not block them. What changed.
I've had second thoughts about having a double standard. For one thing, it's less inviting here if people are afraid of getting, as Seldom put it, a faceful of cat.
> I could say the statement Twinleaf said to you to my p-doc, a Menniger trained psychiatrist and he would be ok with it and not feel put down.
OK, but I'm not Twinleaf's p-doc.
Bob
Posted by Nadezda on July 10, 2009, at 8:46:29
In reply to Re: blocked for 20 weeks » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on July 10, 2009, at 1:06:49
Hi,rsk, I just wanted to say that I hope you reconsider.
For one thing, in leaving because Bob takes a certain action, you're in effect saying that Bob is more important to you than the relationships and exchanges with other people on the board. And I think that reverses the real significance of what's going on here. It's mostly other posters who make a personal investment in caring for and getting to know one another.
I always find it so hard to understand (although of course, I do understand how it happens) that posters would reject all of the rest of the otherse on Pbabble because Bob does this or that thing-- even things that we disagree with a lot.
I know he represents much more than he is personally-- but I hope you do reconsider. And I hope others do too.
You mention that traffic is down on the psych boards. But I think twitter was a way of communicating our valuable ideas (not violating privacy, or communicating our personal problems) to those who might be looking for some response to similar problems. And it might also bring those people, who use different media to interact (twitter, virtual realities, and other developments of cspace) to pbabble-- and add their insights and support to our community.
Maybe it wasn't a good idea-- I personally find it attractive, but I realize that many don't-- but it was done I believe with good intentions-- plus the desire to open up new platforms to us-- be a little inventive, try something new-- connect us to the larger world in a good way. Many took it otherwise.
But just as you would like Bob to reconsider his judgment about twinleaf and others-- and his system-- I guess I'd hope you and others might try, at least for a few minutes, thinking of Bob in a different light-- and seeing if his actions can't be seen as making sense, and possibly working for the good.
I do hope you reconsider and don't leave. If you do leave, I hope all goes well for you.
Nadezda
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 10, 2009, at 9:27:57
In reply to Re: sorry if you leave, rsk » rskontos, posted by Nadezda on July 10, 2009, at 8:46:29
> You mention that traffic is down on the psych boards. But I think twitter was a way of communicating our valuable ideas (not violating privacy, or communicating our personal problems) to those who might be looking for some response to similar problems. And it might also bring those people, who use different media to interact (twitter, virtual realities, and other developments of cspace) to pbabble-- and add their insights and support to our community.
>
> I personally find it attractive, but I realize that many don'tThere seems to be ambivalence about increased traffic. Newcomers might learn something private. They might not be trustworthy.
Bob
Posted by Timne on July 10, 2009, at 11:34:06
In reply to Re: people cussed you, posted by Dr. Bob on July 10, 2009, at 3:20:51
> > I remember so many times people actually cussed you and you did not block them. What changed.
>
> I've had second thoughts about having a double standard.Thank you for telling us that, in your best professional judgment, your first thoughts, which guided your actions for a period of several years, might have been inadequate to protect your invited guests from harm.
Now if your invited guests can only learn to anticipate what will be your thoughts tomorrow, based on mistakes you make today, they will have a chance of complying with expectations you define as "civil."
Posted by Sigismund on July 10, 2009, at 15:08:58
In reply to Re: people cussed you, posted by Timne on July 10, 2009, at 11:34:06
If the rules have served to alienate someone like Twinleaf something is wrong. All she did was post on a point of principle which, in one view at least, was supported by what Bob was doing with Twitter. There should be a way of allowing posts about principles while preventing personal attacks. I suppose there is nothing to say the rules have to always be consistent. But you only have to read rskontos's post to realise that the effect is not limited to Twinleaf.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 10, 2009, at 15:23:35
In reply to Re: people cussed you, posted by Sigismund on July 10, 2009, at 15:08:58
> If the rules have served to alienate someone like Twinleaf something is wrong. All she did was post on a point of principle which, in one view at least, was supported by what Bob was doing with Twitter. There should be a way of allowing posts about principles while preventing personal attacks.
I think there are ways. The poster could use I-statements, or at least not use you-statements. And (sorry to be a broken record) others who want them to remain in the community -- or want there to be fewer blocks in general -- could encourage them to rephrase.
Bob
Posted by Sigismund on July 10, 2009, at 15:30:20
In reply to Re: people cussed you, posted by Dr. Bob on July 10, 2009, at 15:23:35
>And (sorry to be a broken record) others who want them to remain in the community -- or want there to be fewer blocks in general -- could encourage them to rephrase.
I wasn't even aware that Twinleaf was at risk.
Would a please rephrase have alerted people who might have been able to help?
Posted by Kath on July 10, 2009, at 16:56:40
In reply to Re: blocked for 20 weeks » twinleaf, posted by Dr. Bob on July 9, 2009, at 17:59:55
> > Bob ... has demonstrated so little understanding of how important privacy is for us
> PS: According to the formula:
>
> duration of previous block: 12 weeks
> period of time since previous block: 7 weeks
> severity: 2 (default)
> block length = 19.66 rounded = 20 weeks~ ~ ~ Wow. 20 weeks for saying that!
I haven't paid much attention before to the length of blocks & the whole cumulative thing.
I have heard people saying that they think the blocks are too long.Math isn't my strong point. I would like to add my voice to those already spoken that I wonder if blocks are simply too long.
I do think that's the case here:
- a person had a 12 week block
- they had 7 weeks since then with no blocks
- they are now blocked for 20 weeks.Dr. Bob, since you're willing to look at the double standard thing (I assume this means that people can be blocked for stuff deemed negative to other posters AND to you)....since you're willing to look at changing your policy in this, I wonder if you would be willing to look at the length of blocks?
Unfortunately, I don't have the mental energy to look at FAQ's etc or try to get my head around formulas.
So I don't know if the added length of a block increases for each time a person is blocked.
I guess that would make sense to me.
Like - just a silly example, but for clarity:
- you swear once, you get 1 slap
- you swear twice, you get 2 slaps
- you swear three times, you get 4 slaps
- you swear four times, you get 8 slaps
- you swear five times, you get 16 slapsI am not sure if that's sort of how it works.
Anyway, for what twinleaf said, 20 weeks seems like one heck of a long block!!!! Yikerooooo!!!
Kath
Posted by Kath on July 10, 2009, at 17:06:29
In reply to Re: blocked for 20 weeks » twinleaf, posted by Dr. Bob on July 9, 2009, at 17:59:55
> > Bob ... has demonstrated so little understanding of how important privacy is for us
~ ~ ~ I keep trying to 'open' the post from twinleaf of July 8th that resulted in this block & it won't open????
I had wanted to read the whole post.
Wadup?
Kath
Posted by Sigismund on July 10, 2009, at 17:11:48
In reply to Re: blocked for 20 weeks/where's the post!!???, posted by Kath on July 10, 2009, at 17:06:29
I assume it's this, Kath
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/905631.html
Must have touched a nerve.
Posted by Sigismund on July 10, 2009, at 17:17:27
In reply to Re: trust » rskontos, posted by twinleaf on July 8, 2009, at 16:30:39
I mean I think it's that post.
But it's a strong opinion rather than an effort to denigrate or insult or be cruel.
Still, people were blocked on Politics for less than that.
Posted by Sigismund on July 10, 2009, at 17:23:20
In reply to Re: blocked for 20 weeks/where's the post!!???, posted by Kath on July 10, 2009, at 17:06:29
Now I can't get it up (so to speak) either.
Posted by Sigismund on July 10, 2009, at 17:24:17
In reply to Re: trust » rskontos, posted by twinleaf on July 8, 2009, at 16:30:39
Nothing to worry about.
Posted by Kath on July 10, 2009, at 17:58:47
In reply to Intermittent fault, posted by Sigismund on July 10, 2009, at 17:24:17
> Nothing to worry about.
Don't worry Siggi - I luv ya ALWAYS anyway!!!!
LOL
But it IS pretty weird that it has disappeared eh wot?
(throwing an old British 'Old Boys' Club' saying in there.) I seem to be in a wordy mood.
xoxo Kath
Posted by Kath on July 10, 2009, at 18:00:04
In reply to Re: Intermittent fault » Sigismund, posted by Kath on July 10, 2009, at 17:58:47
> (throwing an old British 'Old Boys' Club' saying in there.) I seem to be in a wordy mood.
>
> xoxo Kath~ ~ PS - not to be paranoid or anything - I understand there to be a saying 'Old Boys' Club' - I am in no way making a negative comment on age!
;-)
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