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Posted by rskontos on April 8, 2009, at 20:22:55
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
>>>Would anyone miss Jade? Would anyone miss Verne? If so, this is an opportunity...Bob>>>>
Of course we would miss them. I don't understand what the heck the opportunity is. To be their whatever buddy it was called. I don't think either of them need a buddy. I don't really think they have been out of line myself. But that is my humble opinion such as it is.
Dr. Bob it really pains me that you asked that question. Is that civil?
rsk
Posted by rskontos on April 8, 2009, at 20:24:42
In reply to Current block lengths » rskontos, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on April 8, 2009, at 1:29:42
But it does matter to me when posters are blocked. I miss them and I know how bad I would feel if blocked. It is often why I stay out of discussions.
Thanks for the clarification. My bad.
rsk
Posted by rskontos on April 8, 2009, at 20:27:28
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
I can also see how it might get the poster trying to help them blocked. It seems like an opportunity could turn out to ban more than just those you are singling out.
I don't know I just get uncomfortable about this.
But I would MISS them.
rsk
Posted by fayeroe on April 9, 2009, at 9:35:15
In reply to Re: an opportunity » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on April 8, 2009, at 20:27:28
> Would anyone miss Jade? Would anyone miss Verne? If so, this is an opportunity...
"You gotta be kidding me"!
>
FayeroeMaybe I can be more clear, Bob, this time. I was appalled that you asked that question. I thought it was rude, flippant and thoughtless of you to say it.
I don't think that you worry too much about these people and that makes the question so much worse.
Fayeroe
Posted by myco on April 9, 2009, at 10:26:36
In reply to Re: an opportunity » Dr. Bob, posted by myco on April 8, 2009, at 11:30:04
Everyone...lets start talking logical ways to solve this issue ok. Attacks and things - I understand the way people feel but... - can't wait? Let us begin to address particular solutions towards a resolution.
Would I miss so-and-so? Is that the point? no it's not. I dont find much of which most people post as partulary offensive. But Bob, you did ask the question or create "the opportunity" for us to help certain people. You and admin have your position on this so we will be open to give you ours is you can ACCEPT (and actually use - meaning go through with the recommendations, as in write them into "law" to end this dispute). Let's actually solve this...write solutions into civil policy
You mentioned to me, personally, that a subject indicating a potentially offensive joke can be helpful for those who may take offense....YET i've seens no firm agreement from you that this is acceptable and will result in "immunity" from warnings/blocks.....we talk and talk but you dont actually act. This issue, the subject line for jokes, was right in front of your nose....I'd like to hear you actually say yes that is acceptable (since you agreed) and will result in immunity. Thats so easy to do....how come it hasnt been done? Baby steps...please
Myco
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> I address this to Bob but I'd like all here to consider it:
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> I have an idea to who ever is willing to listen and consider it seriously.
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> It may seems silly but considering this stalemate is made up of various opinions on both sides why not this (lol dont laugh until youve actually thought about it ok)...
>
> A court or trial by jury system made up of posters and participants from the admin side who will both look at someones post and consider it from various angles/perceptions for how it may be taken. A quick lil vote, so to speak. Of course youd have to take into account any inherant bias in such a system but i'm sure we could put something together ya know. At least in serious cases here ya know. I think something like a 52 week block is absurd...seriously. whats the point...to punish? nah, not at that degree....thats more a ban in hopes the person will just go away. A case like that should definately be considered from both sides.
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> At least its a starting point ya? Something to take things to step 2. I, like many of you, are tiring of this issue and IT IS OLD. Lets make a valient attempt to put it to rest ok.
>
> myco
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>
Posted by rskontos on April 11, 2009, at 9:37:00
In reply to Jury System mentioned earlier - please address » myco, posted by myco on April 9, 2009, at 10:26:36
Myco,
Unfortunately, with Dr. Bob and changes in the way the website is governed haven't ever gone our way as the posters at this site.
I am not sure Dr. Bob values anyone's else's (how is that for grammar mistakes)logic except his own and the deputies of course. I have seen this argument over and over again, with the same outcome. Nada zip nothing changed.
So good luck with your suggestions, I admire you for trying.
For Dr Bob to ask would we miss Jade and Verne well I think he shows by that question how expendable we all are to him. JMHO
take care
rsk
I usually don't engage this much regarding these questions on this subject but I wanted to support those of you who are trying.
Posted by myco on April 11, 2009, at 11:26:53
In reply to Re: Jury System mentioned earlier - please address » myco, posted by rskontos on April 11, 2009, at 9:37:00
hey,
Ya it's obvious that he wants people here to "work out" issues on their own without admin involvement in deciding on said issues.
He has no intention of changing anything regarding civil of course. Whats the old saying/cliche "when we're in my house, we will play by my rules".
Plus he doesnt need to change anything...such a high turnover here that "the troublemakers" will move on at some point...this debate my flare up now and then and he may issue more "leniency" for a short time until things calm down then back to same old game.
All I was doing was putting things as logically and simple as I could to see if the admin would actually address, thoroughly, the issues and work toward an agreement because the issues were put clearly enough to make a decision relatively easy.
My hunch had always been their is no passion in admin (in how they handled themselves and adapted to users) and also that would never take the opportunity to address anything thoroughly towards an end point. So putting it so simple and making it so easy for them to "pitch in" allowed me to see just how little care would actually be taken.
It was more of an exercise to see what would actually happen if we came together and presented well thought out arguments that were logical and easy to solve....so hypothesis confirmed. they dont care enough to change anything..."the game" has fixed rules for us to "adapt" to. It's not plastic.
Therefor, as much as it sucks, put it to rest...although I know that some "guerilla warfare" will continue....but hes used to that. What king wouldnt fight to protect his castle.
m
---------> Myco,
>
> Unfortunately, with Dr. Bob and changes in the way the website is governed haven't ever gone our way as the posters at this site.
>
> I am not sure Dr. Bob values anyone's else's (how is that for grammar mistakes)logic except his own and the deputies of course. I have seen this argument over and over again, with the same outcome. Nada zip nothing changed.
>
> So good luck with your suggestions, I admire you for trying.
>
> For Dr Bob to ask would we miss Jade and Verne well I think he shows by that question how expendable we all are to him. JMHO
>
> take care
>
> rsk
>
> I usually don't engage this much regarding these questions on this subject but I wanted to support those of you who are trying.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 11, 2009, at 13:21:43
In reply to Jury System mentioned earlier - please address » myco, posted by myco on April 9, 2009, at 10:26:36
> > Would anyone miss Jade? Would anyone miss Verne? If so, this is an opportunity...
>
> Of course we would miss them. I don't understand what the heck the opportunity is. ... I don't really think they have been out of line myself. But that is my humble opinion such as it is.> I can also see how it might get the poster trying to help them blocked. It seems like an opportunity could turn out to ban more than just those you are singling out.
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> I don't know I just get uncomfortable about this.
>
> But I would MISS them.
>
> rskSorry about not being more clear about what opportunity I had in mind. I think I see what you mean, supporting them by posting something else uncivil could get the supporter blocked, too, but that wasn't the kind of support I had in mind:
> Would any of you be willing to try this out?
>
> Show Jade how she might interpret things more charitably. Encourage her to apologize. Help her avoid being blocked.http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090302/msgs/889029.html
Sigismund did follow up on that:
> Bob, have I got this right?
>
> You are saying that if I really care about Jade and Verne's oncoming blocks, that is, if I want to show my care and concern, that I should approach them and advise them on the form their apology and rephrasing should take?I think just about any apology would be a step toward working things out. I wouldn't see the form as critical.
> > Show Jade how she might interpret things more charitably.
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> I tried to do that
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> > Encourage her to apologize.
>
> No. That does strike me being a little like mob mentality.
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> This whole conversation and the subtexts, the feel and the assumptions and whatever else....this really sucks.
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> This is not bringing out the best in each other, not by a long shot.
>
> So what is it?
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> SigismundThanks for trying. Seldom, I appreciate your volunteering to help, too.
I wonder about mob mentality. I did mean "encourage" and not "harass" or "pressure". Though I guess encouragement from a mob could be experienced as pressure. But there's hardly a mob doing that here. If anything, it seems to me *not* encouraging them to apologize might be more consistent with individuals seeking safety in this "herd".
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> Where do you come up with thinking that we would feel "shameful" if we follow your suggestions? What if we don't think your ideas are worth following? Does that taint things?
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> FayeroeVerne brought up shame, so I've been wondering what role it might be playing here.
That's a good point, reasonable people can disagree, and particular posters might feel changes in policies that affect everyone are more important than helping two particular posters to avoid being blocked.
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> You mentioned to me, personally, that a subject indicating a potentially offensive joke can be helpful for those who may take offense....YET i've seens no firm agreement from you that this is acceptable and will result in "immunity" from warnings/blocks.....we talk and talk but you dont actually act. This issue, the subject line for jokes, was right in front of your nose....I'd like to hear you actually say yes that is acceptable (since you agreed) and will result in immunity. Thats so easy to do....how come it hasnt been done? Baby steps...please
>
> MycoSorry, but I don't think it should necessarily result in immunity, because certain jokes may be so offensive that it's better if they're not posted at all.
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> It may seems silly but considering this stalemate is made up of various opinions on both sides why not this...
>
> A court or trial by jury system made up of posters and participants from the admin side who will both look at someones post and consider it from various angles/perceptions for how it may be taken. A quick lil vote, so to speak. Of course youd have to take into account any inherant bias in such a system but i'm sure we could put something together ya know. At least in serious cases here ya know. I think something like a 52 week block is absurd... ... A case like that should definately be considered from both sides.
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> myco52 weeks is definitely a long time, so some sort of extra process might make sense, but I do think inherent bias would be significant, since supporting other posters is such a value here.
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> muffled got a damn RAT in her attic....argh...I can hear it. HATE rats.
> Goto go set trap.
> I like alla Gods creatures, but not when they cr*pp*ng in my attuc.
> YUK.
>
> MuffledIt can be hard when you want to be accepting, but have to draw the line!
Bob
Posted by JadeKelly on April 11, 2009, at 22:02:48
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 11, 2009, at 13:21:43
[this page posted jk/stdbpb/ppoumu] 4/11/09
If anything, it seems to me *not* encouraging [jade and verne] to apologize might
be more consistent with individuals seeking safety in this "herd". -Dr Robert Hsiung-4/11/09
Um, doctor bobby? Did you just call the people on your site "this herd"?Ya see, the thing is, bob, I have always been told how emotionally intelligent I
am. And right now, my intelligence gathering tells me that I have been right
about you, and your administration. You're not the the only one who can conduct a
study, bob. I'm just a little more discreet. You are a very sick man. You need help.I think the wonderful people on this site can interpret that first remark for themselves.
"That's a good point, reasonable people can disagree, and particular posters might feel changes in policies that affect everyone {are more important than helping two particular posters to avoid being blocked}"-bob 4/11/09
bobby, your beatin a dead horse here. We all get it. No one feels guilty, no one feels ashamed, and no one feels abandoned by their friends. ( A+ for effort tho)
Dr Robert Hsiung, MD 4/11/09, quoting a a recent post-
> [poster] got a damn RAT in her attic....argh...I can hear it. HATE rats.
> Goto go set trap.
> I like alla Gods creatures, but not when they cr*pp*ng in my attuc.
> YUK.
>
> [poster]
It can be hard when you want to be accepting, but have to draw the line!Bob
Thats right bob. I got all up in your attic and just cr*pp*d all over the place.
Hows it feel bob? Didn't see it coming? You are an abuser and you are abusing people on this sight. I will be analyzing lots of material, bob. It will take some time.
Mean while, I will be watching. Just because its your castle, sandbox, or whatever, does not mean you get a pass on keeping your oath. Remember
that bob? "Cause no harm"? You have caused much emotional harm bob. Apologize to these decent, some fragile, posters. Get yourself together. And I will expect that things are really gonna change for the better.Regards,
~JadeKelly the Biggest Rat of All
[poster jadekelly] 4/11/09
Posted by Sigismund on April 11, 2009, at 22:44:55
In reply to Re: RAT IN THE ATTIC » Dr. Bob, posted by JadeKelly on April 11, 2009, at 22:02:48
>And I will expect that things are really gonna change for the better.
That's very optimistic.
Posted by muffled on April 11, 2009, at 23:00:44
In reply to Re: RAT IN THE ATTIC » JadeKelly, posted by Sigismund on April 11, 2009, at 22:44:55
I'd forgotten that post, and to be honest i have no clue where my head was at? I may have clicked post B4 I was ready?
Anyhow I just about gutted myself laffing cuz I meant I LITERALLY had a rat in my literal attic! Happily for me, he is gone now. I just hate to hear then scuttling and esp chewing inside the walls. Then I have to clean up the poo too cuz we store stuff there.
Anyhow....rats in attic, bats in belfry? Mebbe I made a new saying? Or is it and old one and I just don't know?
Anyhow, my face hurts from smiling.But my smile leaves when I consider this site....:-(
Bob, have you ever considered working WITH another person in running this site....?
I just don't know what to say....
There seems to be nothing left to say :(
I feel utterly helpless to make change here, and I can't stand to see the hurt.
Its too bad.
(((((((Babblers))))))
Take care all,
Muffled
Posted by myco on April 11, 2009, at 23:39:41
In reply to ROFL !!!OMG!!! ITIPMP!!!!!Rats!:-o!!!, posted by muffled on April 11, 2009, at 23:00:44
Was he delicious?
> Anyhow I just about gutted myself laffing cuz I meant I LITERALLY had a rat in my literal attic! Happily for me, he is gone now. I just hate to hear then scuttling and esp chewing inside the walls. Then I have to clean up the poo too cuz we store stuff there.
Posted by rskontos on April 12, 2009, at 9:20:02
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 11, 2009, at 13:21:43
Dr. Bob,
You Said ---I wonder about mob mentality. I did mean "encourage" and not "harass" or "pressure". Though I guess encouragement from a mob could be experienced as pressure. But there's hardly a mob doing that here. If anything, it seems to me *not* encouraging them to apologize might be more consistent with individuals seeking safety in this "herd".---
Now I try and not get too sensitive here, it is bad for mental health, but I got to say I do think being called part of a "herd"
feels uncivil to me. No, it is more, I actually find it offensive.I am out of here. I guess I am glad you spend little time posting on psychology board because you don't get really in your heart of hearts why we are here. And I grow weary of trying to be any part of the "change" here when it isn't happening.
rsk
Posted by fayeroe on April 12, 2009, at 9:43:21
In reply to Re: an opportunity » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on April 12, 2009, at 9:20:02
> Dr. Bob,
>
> You Said ---I wonder about mob mentality. I did mean "encourage" and not "harass" or "pressure". Though I guess encouragement from a mob could be experienced as pressure. But there's hardly a mob doing that here. If anything, it seems to me *not* encouraging them to apologize might be more consistent with individuals seeking safety in this "herd".---
>
> Now I try and not get too sensitive here, it is bad for mental health, but I got to say I do think being called part of a "herd"
> feels uncivil to me. No, it is more, I actually find it offensive.
>
> I am out of here. I guess I am glad you spend little time posting on psychology board because you don't get really in your heart of hearts why we are here. And I grow weary of trying to be any part of the "change" here when it isn't happening.
>
> rskI'm sorry, rsk......I'm glad you have a refuge here. pat
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 12, 2009, at 15:11:29
In reply to Re: an opportunity » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on April 12, 2009, at 9:20:02
> you don't get really in your heart of hearts why we are here.
In my heart of hearts, I feel posters are here to support each other. And they tend not to like blocks. So I expected posters to jump at an opportunity to try to help Jade and Verne avoid being blocked.
But relatively little posting energy has gone into that. I guess the alternative are: (1) posters don't support them, (2) posters support them and don't want them to be blocked, but aren't helping them avoid that, or (3) posters support them and do want them to be blocked.
Possible reasons for (2):
Posters aren't doing it because I suggested it. Resisting me is seen as more important.
There's safety in numbers. Not going along with the crowd is seen as dangerous.
Lobbying for changes in policies could be seen as important, too, but that and supporting Jade and Verne aren't mutually exclusive.
Possible reasons for (3):
Being blocked is seen as a sign of being true to oneself, something to feel proud of.
Civility is seen as more important.
Any other ideas about why this might be happening?
Bob
Posted by myco on April 12, 2009, at 15:20:51
In reply to Re: why we are here, posted by Dr. Bob on April 12, 2009, at 15:11:29
Youre onto some ideas here Bob....consider also that no one really cares enough to post in support. I have seen countless times when there is some new person on the meds board crying out for help or advice only to go ignored for days and days when I know fully that people are reading their post....they just dont care or have energy or interest enough to formulate a response of even simple support. Not everyone though is like that at all. Great support base at times but even those "great supporters" of advice and answers are not always, themselves, "up to" posting.
This site has a huge base of users and I would guess most hang in the shadows and dont post at all but read. Plus people you have their own issues tend not to want to complicate things I think.Hey....thanks for your increased effort to listen and respond as of late. Even though we dont see eye to eye it's much appreciated you made that effort to speak back. I have no idea really how I become the most vocal of this group....again it's possible no one really cares enough to try....they would rather stay in the background and observe.
myco
--------> > you don't get really in your heart of hearts why we are here.
>
> In my heart of hearts, I feel posters are here to support each other. And they tend not to like blocks. So I expected posters to jump at an opportunity to try to help Jade and Verne avoid being blocked.
>
> But relatively little posting energy has gone into that. I guess the alternative are: (1) posters don't support them, (2) posters support them and don't want them to be blocked, but aren't helping them avoid that, or (3) posters support them and do want them to be blocked.
>
> Possible reasons for (2):
>
> Posters aren't doing it because I suggested it. Resisting me is seen as more important.
>
> There's safety in numbers. Not going along with the crowd is seen as dangerous.
>
> Lobbying for changes in policies could be seen as important, too, but that and supporting Jade and Verne aren't mutually exclusive.
>
> Possible reasons for (3):
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> Being blocked is seen as a sign of being true to oneself, something to feel proud of.
>
> Civility is seen as more important.
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> Any other ideas about why this might be happening?
>
> Bob
Posted by fayeroe on April 12, 2009, at 15:21:18
In reply to Re: why we are here, posted by Dr. Bob on April 12, 2009, at 15:11:29
> > you don't get really in your heart of hearts why we are here.
>
> In my heart of hearts, I feel posters are here to support each other. And they tend not to like blocks. So I expected posters to jump at an opportunity to try to help Jade and Verne avoid being blocked.You have a heart?
>
> But relatively little posting energy has gone into that. I guess the alternative are: (1) posters don't support them, (2) posters support them and don't want them to be blocked, but aren't helping them avoid that, or (3) posters support them and do want them to be blocked.
>
> Possible reasons for (2):
>
> Posters aren't doing it because I suggested it. Resisting me is seen as more important.My broken record.....it isn't about you!
>
> There's safety in numbers. Not going along with the crowd is seen as dangerous.Give me a break.
>
> Lobbying for changes in policies could be seen as important, too, but that and supporting Jade and Verne aren't mutually exclusive.
>
> Possible reasons for (3):
>
> Being blocked is seen as a sign of being true to oneself, something to feel proud of.What are you thinking?
>
> Civility is seen as more important.Sure.
>
> Any other ideas about why this might be happening?I don't believe that since you haven't understood it yet that you would get it now.
Speaking for myself here!
>
> Bob
Posted by Sigismund on April 12, 2009, at 15:54:15
In reply to Re: why we are here, posted by Dr. Bob on April 12, 2009, at 15:11:29
>But relatively little posting energy has gone into that.
How do you know?
Posted by Sigismund on April 12, 2009, at 15:57:59
In reply to Re: why we are here, posted by Dr. Bob on April 12, 2009, at 15:11:29
I'm not sure what you expect.
You did read this, I take it?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090302/msgs/889582.html
Posted by Sigismund on April 12, 2009, at 16:13:28
In reply to Re: why we are here, posted by Dr. Bob on April 12, 2009, at 15:11:29
> In my heart of hearts, I feel posters are here to support each other. And they tend not to like blocks. So I expected posters to jump at an opportunity to try to help Jade and Verne avoid being blocked.
Really? Somehow this strikes me as disingenuous. Did you expect people to encourage Jade and Verne to apologise by posting that they should? You don't know what people have said to each other off the boards.
> But relatively little posting energy has gone into that. I guess the alternative are: (1) posters don't support them, (2) posters support them and don't want them to be blocked, but aren't helping them avoid that, or (3) posters support them and do want them to be blocked.
There could be other reasons. I have felt that there is something unseemly about this whole conversation.
Posted by fayeroe on April 12, 2009, at 17:01:04
In reply to Re: why we are here, posted by Dr. Bob on April 12, 2009, at 15:11:29
What I was thinking while eating a homemade sticky bun........
Bob, it isn't that I don't like you for I've never met you and I can't dislike you if I don't know you. What I dislike, heartily, is your behavior.
Your behavior indicates to me that you have a real disconnect with people. Probably any "people".
I asked you a long time ago if you felt inadequate when it comes to dealing with others. (close..I don't remember the exact words) You didn't answer my question. You didn't even answer it with a question.
I've been here since 2002 ( I think ) and when I came, I like many others thought that I could help change you for the better. I was full of piss and vinegar and because Babble members helped me dealing with the problems of Effexor, I wanted to give back. (that sounds as good as anything, doesn't it?)
I offered up my hostess present and the host didn't want it. I don't believe, now, that the hostess even opened it. I saw others doing the same, offering up little boxes and the hostess rejected the gifts.
Doing something over and over and expecting anything (here) to happen is the definition of crazy in my book.
I see that more hostess gifts are offered over the years and I turn away so as not to see the giver's hurt when the package comes back into their face. Protest, deal making, begging,complimenting, reasoning..they are all in the package but if it isn't opened, no one will ever know it.
That I think is the secret to your success. Just don't open the DAMNED package and everything will be A-Okay!
In closing I'd like to say this to you..someday there won't be any hostess gifts to be found. No one will come to the party for one.
p.s. if you can find one poster who became a better person after being blocked, i'll...actually i don't know what i will do..i keep nodding off because i ate so many good sticky buns.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 12, 2009, at 19:11:56
In reply to Re: Why?? » Dr. Bob, posted by fayeroe on April 12, 2009, at 17:01:04
> I'm not sure what you expect.
>
> You did read this, I take it?
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090302/msgs/889582.htmlThanks for letting me know, I hadn't. But I'd read his earlier post, and seeing him apologize there made me think it might not take much encouragement for him to apologize here. But of course there's a difference between Deneb and me.
> > In my heart of hearts, I feel posters are here to support each other. And they tend not to like blocks. So I expected posters to jump at an opportunity to try to help Jade and Verne avoid being blocked.
>
> Really? Somehow this strikes me as disingenuous. Did you expect people to encourage Jade and Verne to apologise by posting that they should? You don't know what people have said to each other off the boards.I did, but clearly I misjudged. It's because I don't know what's been going on behind the scenes that I said *posting* energy:
> > But relatively little posting energy has gone into that. I guess the alternative are: (1) posters don't support them, (2) posters support them and don't want them to be blocked, but aren't helping them avoid that, or (3) posters support them and do want them to be blocked.
>
> There could be other reasons. I have felt that there is something unseemly about this whole conversation.
>
> SigismundWould you be willing to say what other reasons? And what you feel is unseemly? Or would that be even more unseemly?
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> I've been here since 2002 ( I think ) and when I came, I like many others thought that I could help change you for the better.
>
> I offered up my hostess present and the host didn't want it. I don't believe, now, that the hostess even opened it.
>
> Doing something over and over and expecting anything (here) to happen is the definition of crazy in my book.
>
> fayeroeYou could do something different. My broken record: instead of trying to change me, try to keep Jade and Verne from being blocked.
Bob
Posted by fayeroe on April 12, 2009, at 20:11:45
In reply to Re: why we are here, posted by Dr. Bob on April 12, 2009, at 19:11:56
"You could do something different. My broken record: instead of trying to change me, try to keep Jade and Verne from being blocked."
You are so hellbent on getting someone to work on Jade and Verne..I'll tell you what, you tell me what you want done.
Bob
Posted by Sigismund on April 12, 2009, at 20:23:10
In reply to Re: why we are here, posted by Dr. Bob on April 12, 2009, at 19:11:56
>Would you be willing to say what other reasons?
Yes. There's simply no way that it would be appropriate for me to ask Verne or Jade to apologise. If I did so, it would be pressure, and it would (rightly) be resisted. I can share how I see things, and that may (or may not) be helpful. Changes of the heart can not be imposed. As we have seen with the blocks you impose, specifically on zazenducke. 52 weeks for what? For being here...that's the truth of it.
>And what you feel is unseemly?
I wonder if there is an antagonistic divisive taunting thing going on. We should be able to speak to each other with more generosity and respect.
>Or would that be even more unseemly?
No
Posted by myco on April 12, 2009, at 20:31:40
In reply to Re: why we are here » Dr. Bob, posted by Sigismund on April 12, 2009, at 20:23:10
Sigi played guitar, jamming good with weird and gilly and the spiders from mars. He played it left hand but made it too far became the special man, then we were sigi's band.....
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Hey bowie is great.
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