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Posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2009, at 15:39:12
In reply to Re: GHOSTS » Dr. Bob, posted by muffled on February 26, 2009, at 11:13:18
> What the deputies can't do is take the whole picture into consideration.
>
> twinleaf> IF you are going to let people govern themselves, then get rid of the deputies and rules.
> there is just too much for just few deputies to handle the board
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> HappyChaiTea> the BIGGER problem for me is seeing ... the deputies get hurt. ... And yes, there is some guilt in there as well, because those kind posters who bravely and generously stepped up to do the job, and I didn't.
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> muffledI feel hurt when they're hurt. I know what they do, it's hard, and they're outstanding. They do take the whole picture into consideration. I disagree with them sometimes, and you may disagree with them sometimes. Reasonable people can disagree. I don't think the answer is to get rid of them, or the rules, or for others who'd feel uncomfortable in the role to volunteer.
We do discuss whether more deputies (who'd feel comfortable in the role) would help.
It may help if complaints about them are emailed to me directly and not posted or submitted using the notification system. And if blocks are longer for incivility toward them. So let's make those changes:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by muffled on February 26, 2009, at 15:46:04
In reply to Re: deputies get hurt, posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2009, at 15:39:12
:-( I wished noboddy ever get hurt ever :-(
Posted by zazenducke on February 26, 2009, at 21:40:22
In reply to Re: deputies get hurt, posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2009, at 15:39:12
I believe the deputies are inconsistent, sometimes show favoritism and have on occasion been deliberately cruel while staying within the letter of the law
but hey nobody's perfectSo i stand a willing guinea piggie for your latest rule
go ahead..make Dinah a Jessica-ban me for a long long time :)
No hard feelings here and hope peace and love overshadow the board!
Your friend
Zazenducke
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> > there is just too much for just few deputies to handle the board
> >
> > HappyChaiTea
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> > the BIGGER problem for me is seeing ... the deputies get hurt. ... And yes, there is some guilt in there as well, because those kind posters who bravely and generously stepped up to do the job, and I didn't.
> >
> > muffled
>
> I feel hurt when they're hurt. I know what they do, it's hard, and they're outstanding. They do take the whole picture into consideration. I disagree with them sometimes, and you may disagree with them sometimes. Reasonable people can disagree. I don't think the answer is to get rid of them, or the rules, or for others who'd feel uncomfortable in the role to volunteer.
>
> We do discuss whether more deputies (who'd feel comfortable in the role) would help.
>
> It may help if complaints about them are emailed to me directly and not posted or submitted using the notification system. And if blocks are longer for incivility toward them. So let's make those changes:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2009, at 22:17:03
In reply to i complain about the deputies, posted by zazenducke on February 26, 2009, at 21:40:22
> I believe the deputies are inconsistent
Please don't post anything that could lead others (such as the deputies) to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
PS: According to the formula:
duration of previous block: 38 weeks
period of time since previous block: 16 weeks
severity: 2 (default) + 2 (uncivil toward deputies) = 4
block length = 96.15 capped = 52 weeks
Posted by HappyChaiTea on February 26, 2009, at 23:26:42
In reply to a new beginning..., posted by twinleaf on February 21, 2009, at 15:46:43
Good try everyone for change, I guess the discussion is now over... just do what you feel is best for you...
Posted by fayeroe on February 27, 2009, at 9:36:31
In reply to Re: blocked for 52 weeks » zazenducke, posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2009, at 22:17:03
> > I believe the deputies are inconsistent
>
> Please don't post anything that could lead others (such as the deputies) to feel accused or put down.
>
> But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person.
>
> More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself are in the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
> PS: According to the formula:
>
> duration of previous block: 38 weeks
> period of time since previous block: 16 weeks
> severity: 2 (default) + 2 (uncivil toward deputies) = 4
> block length = 96.15 capped = 52 weeksAm I correct in thinking that a person can come here and post and become a part of this community and they cannot say that their belief is that the deputies are inconsistent?
I'm going to get my rose colored paint out and get busy. I don't think there is anything like a good paint job to hide the doors to the closets where the skeletons are kept.
I am excited. I like nothing better than hiding old decor under new paint.
Posted by fayeroe on February 27, 2009, at 9:38:50
In reply to i complain about the deputies, posted by zazenducke on February 26, 2009, at 21:40:22
Anyone know how to get in touch with Zazenducke? Babblemail me, please.
Posted by Sigismund on February 27, 2009, at 14:06:38
In reply to Zazenducke, posted by fayeroe on February 27, 2009, at 9:38:50
There was this small window of opportunity in the minutes before zazenducke's last block (how long was that? how long was alex's? how long was verne's?) when the babblemail thing was switched on.
Posted by Sigismund on February 27, 2009, at 14:09:14
In reply to Re: blocked for 52 weeks » zazenducke, posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2009, at 22:17:03
I see.
and 52 weeks this time.
for saying the deputies are inconsistent
Really!
You don't get a lot of time to chat with these people.
Posted by Sigismund on February 27, 2009, at 14:12:22
In reply to Re: blocked for 52 weeks...so? » Dr. Bob, posted by fayeroe on February 27, 2009, at 9:36:31
>Am I correct in thinking that a person can come here and post and become a part of this community and they cannot say that their belief is that the deputies are inconsistent?
Oh no, Pat. I could say it, maybe you could say it. Of course I couldn't say it now, and maybe now not ever, and maybe you neither, but I could have once.
Posted by fayeroe on February 27, 2009, at 14:14:07
In reply to Re: Zazenducke » fayeroe, posted by Sigismund on February 27, 2009, at 14:06:38
> There was this small window of opportunity in the minutes before zazenducke's last block (how long was that? how long was alex's? how long was verne's?) when the babblemail thing was switched on.
Where is the consistency?
Posted by fayeroe on February 27, 2009, at 14:15:50
In reply to Re: blocked for 52 weeks...so? » fayeroe, posted by Sigismund on February 27, 2009, at 14:12:22
Tell me about the olden days, please.
Posted by Sigismund on February 27, 2009, at 14:16:06
In reply to Re: Zazenducke » Sigismund, posted by fayeroe on February 27, 2009, at 14:14:07
>Where is the consistency?
I can't see it.
Posted by 10derHeart on February 27, 2009, at 15:05:29
In reply to Zazenducke, posted by fayeroe on February 27, 2009, at 9:38:50
You could Babblemail Zazenducke, and give your email address? Since s/he can only receive while blocked, but not send.
Babblemail seems to be on as of now.
Posted by fayeroe on February 27, 2009, at 15:13:27
In reply to Re: Zazenducke » fayeroe, posted by 10derHeart on February 27, 2009, at 15:05:29
Posted by 10derHeart on February 27, 2009, at 15:27:31
In reply to Re: Zazenducke..Thanks! (nm) » 10derHeart, posted by fayeroe on February 27, 2009, at 15:13:27
Posted by Sigismund on February 27, 2009, at 17:12:43
In reply to glad to help (nm) » fayeroe, posted by 10derHeart on February 27, 2009, at 15:27:31
The question is not whether zazenducke's block is fair.
Thankfully no one is debating this tedious nonquestion.
What could zazenducke say here that would not result in a block?
Posted by BayLeaf on February 27, 2009, at 17:25:12
In reply to Re: glad to help, posted by Sigismund on February 27, 2009, at 17:12:43
Despite my eyes, I HAVE to believe it would be ok to say that inconsistancy exists because the deps are *human*. Humans are by nature inconsistant, aren't we??
I think Bob really pulled out the wrong sentence. The duck could have been blocked with "have on occasion been deliberately cruel", and I don't think there would have been as much debate.
bay
Posted by Sigismund on February 27, 2009, at 17:28:29
In reply to Re: glad to help, posted by BayLeaf on February 27, 2009, at 17:25:12
>have on occasion been deliberately cruel
That's human too. Nothing unusual about that, is there?
Posted by HappyChaiTea on February 27, 2009, at 20:36:23
In reply to Re: glad to help, posted by Sigismund on February 27, 2009, at 17:12:43
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> What could zazenducke say here that would not result in a block?Could have told nontruths? Maybe, I don't know what is even safe to say anymore. I feel like I have a straight jacket on.
Posted by HappyChaiTea on February 27, 2009, at 20:42:48
In reply to Re: glad to help, posted by HappyChaiTea on February 27, 2009, at 20:36:23
What I wonder is if this new rule of being uncivil to deputies, applies to when they are in the "deputy" role or when they are in their regular role. The messages above are them mostly in the regular poster mode. So I am assuming that you get double blocked if you say anything uncivil to a deputy, no matter what role they are posting in.
Can someone please remind who the deputies are, it would be safer for me not to communicate with them at all, it is too scary for me.
Posted by fayeroe on February 27, 2009, at 21:16:03
In reply to What I wonder is..., posted by HappyChaiTea on February 27, 2009, at 20:42:48
> What I wonder is if this new rule of being uncivil to deputies, applies to when they are in the "deputy" role or when they are in their regular role. The messages above are them mostly in the regular poster mode. So I am assuming that you get double blocked if you say anything uncivil to a deputy, no matter what role they are posting in.
>
> Can someone please remind who the deputies are, it would be safer for me not to communicate with them at all, it is too scary for me.Dinah and 10derHeart are the only ones that I see.
Posted by HappyChaiTea on February 27, 2009, at 21:17:46
In reply to Re: facing realities..., posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2009, at 11:03:34
Dr. Bob,
It is fine if you want to quote me, but please keep the entire sentence, to make sure my message is what was intended.
Thanks
> > My psychoanalyst ... has now suggested that my mental health would be better served by not participating here
> >
> > twinleaf
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> > my Pdoc really doesn't want me here.
> >
> > fayeroe
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> > my analyst doesn't give me advise either except to suggest that it might be best not to post here
> >
> > Zeba
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> > My therapist does not want me posting and participating here.
> >
> > pc
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> > My T is one who doesn't want me on here
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> > HappyChaiTea
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> > he told me to stay away from Babble
> >
> > Bay
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> So there's a subgroup of you who stay despite professional advice to leave.
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> > My psychoanalyst ... feels that the present Babble system ... replicates emotionally unfair and abusive families of origin too closely to be healthy.
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> > We don't really know anyone here as well as we think we do, and our hopes and desires may fill in the gaps too much, and thus set us up for rejection and disappointment.
> >
> > twinleaf
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> Maybe you stay because of hopes and desires you have.
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> > All of these blocks, while appropriate under the present guidelines, were the result of my standing up for a principle I believed in
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> But maybe some hopes and desires are likely to be frustrated here. For example, because I might also stand up for a principle I believe in -- and I have more power here.
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> You may find it less frustrating if you adjust your hopes and desires. I know that's easier said than done. And you may not even want to do that. And even if you do, you may not know in what direction to do so.
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> > we can talk with I statements and all that,(the babble way)
> >
> > They can improve their communications skills.
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> Certainly one option, though it may not feel very exciting, is to work on improving I-statement skills.
>
> Bob
Posted by HappyChaiTea on February 27, 2009, at 21:19:41
In reply to Re: What I wonder is... » HappyChaiTea, posted by fayeroe on February 27, 2009, at 21:16:03
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> Dinah and 10derHeart are the only ones that I see.
>Thanks Pat,
Don't want to be blindsided or anything. lol
Posted by Sigismund on February 27, 2009, at 21:20:56
In reply to Re: glad to help, posted by HappyChaiTea on February 27, 2009, at 20:36:23
If Zazenducke had put J'accuse' in the subject line and 'My name is zazenducke' in the message, there would have been a block.
Not much slack cut for our feathered friend.
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