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Posted by Deputy Dinah on January 25, 2009, at 12:11:24
In reply to Lou's request to members-, posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2009, at 10:50:29
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am asking that you consider the folllowing in any post that you may add here.
> The statement in question now is by Dinah,
> [...If I believed that the administration of this site was antisemitic, I would not be part of it...].
> A. I am unsure as to what Dinah is wanting to mean as to what constitutes if the adminstration of a site is or is not anti-Semitic
> B. I am unsure as to what Dinah is wanting to mean by that if the administration was anti-Semitic that she would {not be part of *it*}.
> If I was to know those, then I could respond accordingly. At this time, if you could post your opinions, if anyone has them, here after reading this post, then I think that I could have a better understanding of what Dinah is wanting to mean by using your opinions and then respond accordingly.
> LouPlease do not pressure others. You asked me to clarify and I declined to do so.
Also, please do not ask others to post their opinions as to what any given poster meant by what they said. This would be encouraging other posters to jump to conclusions, which would be against site guidelines.
Followups regarding these issues should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on January 25, 2009, at 14:52:01
In reply to Please be civil » Lou Pilder, posted by Deputy Dinah on January 25, 2009, at 12:11:24
It must be nice to be a deputy, to sanction posts made against one's self.
Posted by Partlycloudy on January 25, 2009, at 15:44:35
In reply to Re: Please be civil » Deputy Dinah, posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on January 25, 2009, at 14:52:01
I was thinking that very same thing. Unless a fellow babbler reported Lou's post? But I didn't think it was the least bit uncivil.
Poor Lou.
Posted by Sigismund on January 25, 2009, at 15:56:19
In reply to Re: Please be civil, posted by Partlycloudy on January 25, 2009, at 15:44:35
Now we're back to this jumping to conclusions thing.
It could be explained to me every day for a year before breakfast and I'd never get it.
Posted by Sigismund on January 25, 2009, at 16:05:40
In reply to Lou's request to members-, posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2009, at 10:50:29
Her's my 2 bobs worth.
The Administration of Babble is not antisemitic.
Dinah, both in her personal opinions and the way she interprets the civility rules is particularly not antisemitic, which should be (I would have thought) obvious to anyone familiar with her posts and rulings.
Nevertheless, we can always expect antisemitism to seep in, since Christianity has a history of antisemitism both in its theology and its practice, even though (of course) most Christians are not.
Posted by Deputy Dinah on January 25, 2009, at 16:07:32
In reply to Re: Please be civil » Deputy Dinah, posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on January 25, 2009, at 14:52:01
My main point was this:
Please do not ask others to post their opinions as to what any given poster meant by what they said. This would be encouraging other posters to jump to conclusions, which would be against site guidelines.
My reading of the civility guidelines is that posters should not ask other posters to guess at the meaning of what yet another poster meant by what they posted, since this would involve jumping to conclusions. At least in my experience.
It doesn't matter what posters are involved. This is the point I'd like to make.
Since there seems to be a substantial opinion that this should be ok under site guidelines, I'll send my post on to Dr. Bob with a request to review it for correctness. Should he say that it is fine for posters to ask the board at large to opine on the posts of other posters, then that will be the applicable precedent and it will apply to all posters.
It is his board, and he has oversight over all deputy decisions.
Until he rules differently, please do not the board at large to post opinions on what a poster means by their post.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Deputy Dinah on January 25, 2009, at 16:09:02
In reply to Explanation » SlugSlimersSoSlided, posted by Deputy Dinah on January 25, 2009, at 16:07:32
That was not meant for any poster in particular. Merely an assurance that I would ask Dr. Bob to review this.
Posted by Dinah on January 25, 2009, at 16:09:39
In reply to Re: Lou's request to members-, posted by Sigismund on January 25, 2009, at 16:05:40
I appreciate this.
Posted by Dinah on January 25, 2009, at 16:23:29
In reply to Explanation » SlugSlimersSoSlided, posted by Deputy Dinah on January 25, 2009, at 16:07:32
> Since there seems to be a substantial opinion that this should be ok under site guidelines,
I do believe I made my own leap to conclusions there. I'm sorry for that. It's all too easy to do.
However, it hasn't come up before, so I'll ask Dr. Bob.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2009, at 16:43:03
In reply to Re: Please be civil, posted by Partlycloudy on January 25, 2009, at 15:44:35
> I was thinking that very same thing. Unless a fellow babbler reported Lou's post? But I didn't think it was the least bit uncivil.
>
> Poor Lou.partlycloudy,
You wrote,[...I didn't think...],
Could you post here what your perspective is in relation to any psychological/emotional mental health issues, if you see any of those here, in this situation? If you could, then I think that there could be a benifit to the members from a discussion that could follow.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2009, at 16:54:41
In reply to Re: Lou's request to members-, posted by Sigismund on January 25, 2009, at 16:05:40
> Her's my 2 bobs worth.
>
> The Administration of Babble is not antisemitic.
>
> Dinah, both in her personal opinions and the way she interprets the civility rules is particularly not antisemitic, which should be (I would have thought) obvious to anyone familiar with her posts and rulings.
>
> Nevertheless, we can always expect antisemitism to seep in, since Christianity has a history of antisemitism both in its theology and its practice, even though (of course) most Christians are not.Sigismund,
You wrote,[..my 2 bobs worth...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting mean in relation to that. I am wondering if then you could differentiate what you posted that followed as to if you are wanting to mean that your statements are either an opinion or a fact or something else. If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by Partlycloudy on January 25, 2009, at 17:14:05
In reply to Lou's request for a perspective-difprspc » Partlycloudy, posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2009, at 16:43:03
> > I was thinking that very same thing. Unless a fellow babbler reported Lou's post? But I didn't think it was the least bit uncivil.
> >
> > Poor Lou.
>
> partlycloudy,
> You wrote,[...I didn't think...],
> Could you post here what your perspective is in relation to any psychological/emotional mental health issues, if you see any of those here, in this situation? If you could, then I think that there could be a benifit to the members from a discussion that could follow.
> Lou
>
>I'll give it a try. I didn't consider your post to be uncivil, and my current understanding of the guidelines are that posts aren't acted upon unless they have been notified as such to the administration.
Unless - the administration themselves think a comment has been directed at one of them and so they can immediately respond with a PBC to render this action, bypassing the notification system.
In any case, I was expressing that I didn't necessarily agree with the ruling - and so my saying, "Poor Lou". We all here struggle with our own issues - sometimes I feel that the way we attempt to express ourselves just can't please 'em all.
It's why I've been exceptionally quiet - for me. My notifications have not been met with happy results in two cases. Getting PBC's off the boards actually hurts more than a public slapping of the hand. I guess if one of them results in a block, no one will even know that I'm gone. Where's the transparency gone around here? It makes me feel more than a bit paranoid.
PartlyCloudy
Posted by Sigismund on January 25, 2009, at 18:21:48
In reply to Lou's request for a differentiation-mietubobs » Sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2009, at 16:54:41
Lou
This is what I believe to be true.
I do understand how hurtful it could be for a Jew to hear some Christian teachings....the sort I was brought up on.
FWIW (not much) I believe them to be part of the early history of the church, and a distortion.
Posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on January 25, 2009, at 18:30:44
In reply to Explanation » SlugSlimersSoSlided, posted by Deputy Dinah on January 25, 2009, at 16:07:32
What I meant to post was that I can't post back to someone in a conversation who I feel is being uncivil towards me, "to be civil", or I would get blocked, but you are lucky because you can because you are a deputy.
Just seems to me if you are personally involved in a thread, a please be civil should come from somebody other than yourself, that is, IF somebody else used the notify button. Maybe that isn't a rule, but it seems like it would be in an other life circumstances, to be an abuse of power or unfairness due to a power differential between the both of you. JMO
Posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on January 25, 2009, at 18:51:12
In reply to Lou's request for a perspective-difprspc » Partlycloudy, posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2009, at 16:43:03
Hi Lou,
I haven't been following many threads so much anymore on Babble, but I wanted to tell you something.
I grew up in a community that was very religious of a certain type of religion. I of course didn't belong to any church, because I wasn't brought up with religion, and I was shunned a lot by others even as a child. I wasn't allowed to date others because I didn't belong to their church, some of my friends couldn't even spend the night at my house, and as a young girl, that was huge to have slumber parties. I know what it is like to be in the minority, and I know that sometimes people just don't understand how it feels. They don't even understand that they are being prejudice either.
I personally believe there are fine people of all faiths, but there are also some rotten eggs in all faiths too.
Keep fighting for what you believe in Lou, I admire your stamina, but I will be leaving Babble soon for good, so take care.
Posted by gardenergirl on January 25, 2009, at 19:44:25
In reply to Re: Please be civil » Deputy Dinah, posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on January 25, 2009, at 14:52:01
> It must be nice to be a deputy, to sanction posts made against one's self.
I can't imagine anything nice about it. I found it to be a very uncomfortable situation when I was a deputy, and I feel rather safe going out on a limb assuming it's not comfortable or nice for Dinah, either.
gg
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2009, at 20:18:28
In reply to Re: Lou's request for a differentiation-mietubobs » Lou Pilder, posted by Sigismund on January 25, 2009, at 18:21:48
> Lou
>
> This is what I believe to be true.
>
> I do understand how hurtful it could be for a Jew to hear some Christian teachings....the sort I was brought up on.
>
> FWIW (not much) I believe them to be part of the early history of the church, and a distortion.Sigismund,
You wrote,[...I believe to be true...].
I am unsure as to if you are wanting to mean that you believe those aspects of your post to be true universally, or if you believe those aspects to be true to you but not proven fact or something else.
If you could specify as to which that could be, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2009, at 20:28:15
In reply to Re: Lou's request for a perspective-difprspc » Lou Pilder, posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on January 25, 2009, at 18:51:12
> Hi Lou,
>
> I haven't been following many threads so much anymore on Babble, but I wanted to tell you something.
> I grew up in a community that was very religious of a certain type of religion. I of course didn't belong to any church, because I wasn't brought up with religion, and I was shunned a lot by others even as a child. I wasn't allowed to date others because I didn't belong to their church, some of my friends couldn't even spend the night at my house, and as a young girl, that was huge to have slumber parties. I know what it is like to be in the minority, and I know that sometimes people just don't understand how it feels. They don't even understand that they are being prejudice either.
> I personally believe there are fine people of all faiths, but there are also some rotten eggs in all faiths too.
> Keep fighting for what you believe in Lou, I admire your stamina, but I will be leaving Babble soon for good, so take care.You wrote,[...what you believe in...]
Could you post here what you see here that I believe in?
Lou
Posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on January 25, 2009, at 20:33:21
In reply to Re:, posted by gardenergirl on January 25, 2009, at 19:44:25
Well it might not feel nice, but it is nice to be able to do something when they feel someone is being uncivil towards them. Regular posters have to use the notify button , and hope that someone on the other end helps them take care of it, which could take a long time.
Normal posters aren't allowed to say ANYTHING, or it would be uncivil, and deputies can not only warn, but block, even in their own conversations with someone on the board.
So while it might not be "nice", they do have protection that regular posters don't.
Posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on January 25, 2009, at 20:35:35
In reply to Lou's reply-danithzathzneiz » SlugSlimersSoSlided, posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2009, at 20:28:15
Well I haven't kept up on all your messages, but I could take a guess that you believe all religions should be accepted here on Babble and have the same rules apply to all regions on Babble. But again, I am just guessing..
Posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on January 25, 2009, at 20:55:48
In reply to Re:, posted by gardenergirl on January 25, 2009, at 19:44:25
So do you have empirical research data to support your thoughts? lol
Sorry some of my client's attitude is rubbing off on me! lol
Posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on January 25, 2009, at 20:56:49
In reply to Re:, posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on January 25, 2009, at 20:55:48
Posted by Sigismund on January 25, 2009, at 21:29:30
In reply to Lou's reply to Sigismund- » Sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2009, at 20:18:28
>I am unsure as to if you are wanting to mean that you believe those aspects of your post to be true universally, or if you believe those aspects to be true to you but not proven fact or something else.
They are true to me and as of this time, I really think they are correct.
Lou, I hope I get where you are coming from.
The events of the last century must never be repeated.
It is worth remembering that Pius was so slack on the issue because he was completely freaked by the treatment of Christianity by Bolshevism, (which in turn was made possible by the behaviour of the European powers). John XXIII, though, when in (maybe?) Trieste threatened the local dangerous person (I forget these details) with excommunication and publicity, and the deportations never went ahead.
But what are we to say?
The history of humanity is a frightful nightmare.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 26, 2009, at 18:57:16
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Sigismund- » Lou Pilder, posted by Sigismund on January 25, 2009, at 21:29:30
> >I am unsure as to if you are wanting to mean that you believe those aspects of your post to be true universally, or if you believe those aspects to be true to you but not proven fact or something else.
>
> They are true to me and as of this time, I really think they are correct.
>
> Lou, I hope I get where you are coming from.
>
> The events of the last century must never be repeated.
>
> It is worth remembering that Pius was so slack on the issue because he was completely freaked by the treatment of Christianity by Bolshevism, (which in turn was made possible by the behaviour of the European powers). John XXIII, though, when in (maybe?) Trieste threatened the local dangerous person (I forget these details) with excommunication and publicity, and the deportations never went ahead.
>
> But what are we to say?
>
> The history of humanity is a frightful nightmare.Sigismund,
You wrote,[...I hope I get where you are comming from...].
Could you continue to write some more concerning that?
Lou
Posted by Sigismund on January 27, 2009, at 23:47:53
In reply to Lou's request for a continuance-wropapohp » Sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on January 26, 2009, at 18:57:16
Lou
I guess that as a Jew you are determined that this must never happen again and that at any time and place (such as here) you will do what you can to expose and criticise antisemitism and the roots of it.
And this is why you make the demands on Admin that you do.
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