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Posted by Marty on September 3, 2008, at 20:47:59
In reply to Re: Kattwoman suicidal posts, posted by AbbieNormal on September 3, 2008, at 20:02:50
> Perhaps her name is Katt? And perhaps she is a woman? :-)
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.. and perhaps my name is Marty uhhhh ? Oh.. Wait.. It is actually... sorry about that. ;)
> >I have infos which Dr.Bob may not have ..
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> Maybe you should email him with the info?
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Yes. We are in contact.BTW, I didn't know the AMA database and so this could have helped. Thanks.
/\/\arty
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 3, 2008, at 22:45:45
In reply to Re: Kattwoman suicidal posts » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by AbbieNormal on September 3, 2008, at 19:56:35
> It would great if an admin could post something on that thread just to let posters know that admin is aware. It can really freak people out to stumble upon such a thing.
That's a good idea, would you mind doing it for us? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by AbbieNormal on September 4, 2008, at 6:23:39
In reply to Re: post something on that thread, posted by Dr. Bob on September 3, 2008, at 22:45:45
> > It would great if an admin could post something on that thread just to let posters know that admin is aware. It can really freak people out to stumble upon such a thing.
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> That's a good idea, would you mind doing it for us? Thanks,
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> BobYes, I would mind doing your job and I am stunned to be asked. Rather than asking me, why didn't you just do it?
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 4, 2008, at 9:19:33
In reply to Re: post something on that thread WHAT?, posted by AbbieNormal on September 4, 2008, at 6:23:39
> Rather than asking me, why didn't you just do it?
The idea here is for posters to support each other, and I thought that might be a way to support other posters.
FYI, someone was able to check on her, and she was OK.
Bob
Posted by Justherself54 on September 4, 2008, at 10:06:49
In reply to Re: post something on that thread, posted by Dr. Bob on September 4, 2008, at 9:19:33
Thank Dr. Bob you for letting us know that she is OK.
Posted by Phillipa on September 4, 2008, at 10:54:38
In reply to Re: post something on that thread » Dr. Bob, posted by Justherself54 on September 4, 2008, at 10:06:49
Marty did a wonderful job thanks so much Marty. Love Phillipa ps didn't know this thread was here until now or would have posted yesterday. Important that she's okay.
Posted by karen_kay on September 4, 2008, at 12:03:55
In reply to Re: post something on that thread WHAT?, posted by AbbieNormal on September 4, 2008, at 6:23:39
i'm not trying to make light of a situation that appears to not be lighthearted (i have no idea what is going on at all of this situation, i assure you!), but i'm jsut glad someone finally said somethign about beign asked to do something rather than him doing it himself!
thank you!!
kk
Posted by Phillipa on September 4, 2008, at 13:02:20
In reply to :) » AbbieNormal, posted by karen_kay on September 4, 2008, at 12:03:55
Agree and kk just go to meds it's clear. A long day yesterday. Seriously Marty was great. Phillipa
Posted by AbbieNormal on September 4, 2008, at 19:04:40
In reply to Re: post something on that thread, posted by Dr. Bob on September 4, 2008, at 9:19:33
> > Rather than asking me, why didn't you just do it?
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> The idea here is for posters to support each other, and I thought that might be a way to support other posters.
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> BobI believe it is the job of you and/or your team to coordinate communication regarding any action being taken by you and/or your team - particularly when we are talking about a potentially suicidal poster.
Many kind posters were offering support to Katt. That's our role. Explaining to everyone what, if anything you and/or your team are doing isn't my job, IMO.
Abbie
Posted by AbbieNormal on September 4, 2008, at 19:11:38
In reply to :) » AbbieNormal, posted by karen_kay on September 4, 2008, at 12:03:55
I learned at an early age that it's best to do things yourself.
Around age 3 apparently I called out to my mother in the middle of the night. She came to my room to check on me. I explained that I was very sleepy, but had to go weewee. So, .....I asked her to go for me. :-)
I'm sure she got a good laugh out of it.
Posted by Zeba on September 6, 2008, at 9:13:13
In reply to Re: post something on that thread, posted by Dr. Bob on September 3, 2008, at 22:45:45
For shame, for shame, for shame Dr. Bob---asking ordinary babblers to deal with suicidal individuals. We have no idea where these people are, or at least most of us don't. You have their real names, etc. It is your responsibility. It is your site. If you don't want to be responsible for this site, then in my opinion you need to shut it down.
Zeba
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 6, 2008, at 11:09:36
In reply to Re: post something on that thread » Dr. Bob, posted by Zeba on September 6, 2008, at 9:13:13
> For shame, for shame, for shame Dr. Bob---asking ordinary babblers to deal with suicidal individuals.
One of the potential risks here is that it may be hard to deal with issues like suicide that come up. Those who are willing to do so can, and those who aren't don't have to.
I didn't consider letting posters know that we were aware to be dealing with a suicidal individual. Muffled, thanks for doing that.
Bob
Posted by AbbieNormal on September 6, 2008, at 11:44:03
In reply to Re: post something on that thread, posted by Dr. Bob on September 6, 2008, at 11:09:36
> I didn't consider letting posters know that we were aware to be dealing with a suicidal individual. Muffled, thanks for doing that.
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> BobBut once it was pointed out to you, you still didn't do sh*t. You just delegated to me.
You can pass the buck on anything else here, Bob, but not on suicide. It's fr*gg*ng SUICIDE. What could be more important to a psychiatrist? Suicide and it's fallout, death and it's aftermath...and you delegate?
It's not right.
Yet again, you disappoint, and you hurt me personally. I don't handle the topic well (maybe you don't remember who I am), and dumping that on me really freaked me out.
Abbie
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 6, 2008, at 14:00:19
In reply to Re: post something on that thread » Dr. Bob, posted by AbbieNormal on September 6, 2008, at 11:44:03
> Yet again, you disappoint, and you hurt me personally. I don't handle the topic well (maybe you don't remember who I am), and dumping that on me really freaked me out.
Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you. I did dump it on you when I replied to your post, and I should've just asked more generally if anyone else minded doing it. One of the nice things about a group is that if one person can't do something, usually someone else can.
Would you be willing to say why this freaked you out so much?
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 6, 2008, at 16:29:27
In reply to Re: post something on that thread, posted by Dr. Bob on September 6, 2008, at 14:00:19
> > Yet again, you disappoint, and you hurt me personally. I don't handle the topic well (maybe you don't remember who I am), and dumping that on me really freaked me out.
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> Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you. I did dump it on you when I replied to your post, and I should've just asked more generally if anyone else minded doing it. One of the nice things about a group is that if one person can't do something, usually someone else can.
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> Would you be willing to say why this freaked you out so much?
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> BobAbbie,
I am requesting to you that you take under advisement from various sources before you reply to Mr. Hsiung's request to you to say.{...why this...].
Then after you take under advisement, you could consider as to if a public posting of {why}, could be good or not for you since it could bring up again.
I base my request to you from what I see in what you have written here. One statement being,[...I don't handle the topic well...].
If that be the case here, then it could IMO bring up the topic that you do not handle well again by composing a post in relation to answering Mr. Hsiung's question to you. And in my readings of aspects of this type of situation from various psychologists/psychiatrists, there could be a counterpoint.
So my perspective here is caution and preventative in nature that I think that knowing your own self in relation to this situation here could mean IMO that a time period of some nature could be helpfull to you before you reply to the question of {why}, if you are going to reply at all to it. Mr. Hsiung does ask if you are willing to reply to {why}. I think that an exploration as to the ramifications of a reply couild be in order before you reply, if you reply at all.
You see, it is my great conviction that your writings here are not without significance, and that you are writing about in your opinion what could be serious consequences about a connection to your great distress. In my opionion, there could be closly linked aspects in the discussion here that may be unbeknownst to you or others that IMO it could be more helpfull to consullt others and reflect upon what it is in the situation that could perhaps be counterproductive to your health in relation to a reply to {why} that you could compose to post.
Another suggestion could be to email with other members before you post a reply to {why} to get their perspective as to if posting it could be good or not for you, and could you email Mr. Hsiung without posting a reply?
Other reasons to take under advisement before posting your reply to {why}
Lou
Posted by AbbieNormal on September 6, 2008, at 17:50:21
In reply to Re: post something on that thread, posted by Dr. Bob on September 6, 2008, at 14:00:19
Not publically. I bmailed you.
Posted by AbbieNormal on September 6, 2008, at 17:52:13
In reply to Lou's request to Abbie-dhvdhep, posted by Lou Pilder on September 6, 2008, at 16:29:27
That was very thoughtful of you. Thank you Lou.
Posted by Phillipa on September 6, 2008, at 19:53:14
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Abbie-dhvdhep, posted by AbbieNormal on September 6, 2008, at 17:52:13
Yes it was very kind of Lou and Abbie when working in psych we had to have formal training for crisis intervention. So it's not your responsibility in my opinion. All we can do is support the poster. Thanfully Marty did the hard work. Thanks again Marty. Love Phillipa
Posted by Zeba on September 6, 2008, at 22:40:33
In reply to Re: post something on that thread, posted by Dr. Bob on September 6, 2008, at 11:09:36
So someone who may be unstable, hey okay let that person deal with a suicidal individual if they want to???? What kind of ethics is that, Bob???
Zeba
Posted by Zeba on September 6, 2008, at 22:42:26
In reply to Re: post something on that thread, posted by Dr. Bob on September 6, 2008, at 14:00:19
And sure I could do it as a mh professional, but I don't have the information you have and would consider it unethical for me to try to deal with someone suicidal on this board.
Zeba
Posted by 64bowtie on September 7, 2008, at 3:33:10
In reply to Re: post something on that thread, posted by Dr. Bob on September 6, 2008, at 14:00:19
Back when I was really naive, back in the early and mid 70's, I effected several suicide interventions... I was on a mission...
Ask yourselves why I only lasted 2 years before my burnout... When you find the answers, you won't be interested in my glory stories of my successes... I still remember my pain and the shadows cast by my failures...
I really like where I am these days...
Rod
Posted by seldomseen on September 7, 2008, at 9:54:08
In reply to Kattwoman suicidal posts, posted by Marty on September 3, 2008, at 15:42:21
What if we just summarily deleted posts that contained threats of suicide in them? Just adopted a zero tolerance policy regarding this issue.
I would make clear from the beginning that this policy would not include posts in which the poster states they simply feel suicidal. I mean, hell, who doesn't from time to time and babble is a great place to vent that.
However, I am beginning to see a clear difference in posts which say "I feel like committing suicide" vs those that say "I'm going to kill myself/have already started etc..."
The previous posts are those the the community can help with, rally around and do what babble was designed to do. The latter, well, it requires a much more acute intervention that the community does not have the resources to absorb. This is not a suicide hotline.
But, I can see both sides and am seeking opinions from all. Not that once I form my opinion it will matter, but just want to see what others think.
Seldom
On one hand,
Posted by Phillipa on September 7, 2008, at 12:33:40
In reply to What is the opinion of the community on this?, posted by seldomseen on September 7, 2008, at 9:54:08
I myself can't turn away from someone in pain. I did a suicide intervention to an old babbler who we were communicating via e-mail. He was found and hospitalized and today no longer visits here he is being treated outpatient and doing fine. I feel if on the boards that I can't handle it anymore other than to give support. That's my feeling. Phillipa
Posted by obsidian on September 7, 2008, at 12:51:37
In reply to What is the opinion of the community on this?, posted by seldomseen on September 7, 2008, at 9:54:08
I am in favor of deleting posts in which the poster says they are going to or are in the process of commiting suicide.
There is a link or something on this site which directs you to helpful info if you are feeling suicidal, isn't there?
I think there is too much of a pull to respond to these individuals or be left to feel guilty about not responding because it was so obvious that they needed help. One usually can't be sure that they will receive it on their own.
I think the problems outweigh the benefits when it comes to allowing these types of posts. seriously...I really do.
Posted by Phillipa on September 7, 2008, at 12:54:26
In reply to Re: What is the opinion of the community on this? » seldomseen, posted by obsidian on September 7, 2008, at 12:51:37
My big But is what if we can talk them down and into seeing someone. My training always said it was a cry for help. That's just me though. Love Phillipa
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