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Posted by Justherself54 on August 23, 2008, at 19:45:43
In reply to Re: Question about content of posted jokes » Partlycloudy, posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 23, 2008, at 17:30:06
Maybe in the meantime, posters could put some kind of warning in the initial thread in order to alert others who may be offended by off-colour humour to bypass that thread. Although one question comes to mind for me.. should we even have crude jokes on a mental health forum?
Posted by fayeroe on August 24, 2008, at 12:21:39
In reply to Re: Question about content of posted jokes, posted by Justherself54 on August 23, 2008, at 19:45:43
> Maybe in the meantime, posters could put some kind of warning in the initial thread in order to alert others who may be offended by off-colour humour to bypass that thread. Although one question comes to mind for me.. should we even have crude jokes on a mental health forum?
No, I don't think that we should have crude jokes here. For every tasteless word that is used , there is probably someone who cringes (from personal experience) when they read it. I personally don't feel that a mental health forum is an appropriate place for those kinds of jokes.
I am waiting to see how administration addresses the problem.
Posted by lemonaide on August 24, 2008, at 18:26:05
In reply to Question about content of posted jokes, posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 23, 2008, at 7:07:42
This has been debated before on here, and it seems like all jokes are allowed. But I believe there should be rules about some jokes, because I don't believe some jokes are appropriate here. ex. animal cruelty jokes.
Posted by daveuk08 on August 25, 2008, at 0:49:19
In reply to Question about content of posted jokes, posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 23, 2008, at 7:07:42
I agree to a certain point what you are saying about jokes,as the crude ones can offend,also some that people class as rascist,but to me when anyone on babble wants to let of steam,and use say f^ck,sh^t,B^ll^cks etc or any word like that in the way like I`ve just wrote it,it seems acceptable.I for one believe it or not hate swearing.
I`ve read virtually all of Slinky`s posts,and never seen any complaints about her language, and she liked a good joke to.
I would think it very sad if you were to not allow jokes,surely a little humour now and then can cheer people up,it does me,but then if its the wishes of some here that we cant be cheerful perhaps I shouldn`t be here.
Perhaps the best solution woud be to have a comedy board,not just for jokes but also for any thread that one finds humorous.
Lastly I have not found any jokes so far to be crude.
Posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 25, 2008, at 5:17:03
In reply to Question about content of posted jokes, posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 23, 2008, at 7:07:42
I understand these topics tend to evolve into a discussion on what should and should not be seen as offensive. I believe offensiveness is in the eye of the reader and what one does or does not find offensive simply is an "is". One can take a bit of guidence in assessment of such from the current guidelines as to the mission of the boards and the scope of what these boards are intended to be. Ironically, to me, is one of the first questions of the FAQ is: "What is going on here?"....
I question the setting. I'm not questioning that humor can't be part of PB. I am just not sure given the "spirit of the boards" that certain types of humor should be accepted.
My question is just that - a question. One which I do not hold much hope of receiving an answer from the site owner.
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 25, 2008, at 8:23:12
In reply to Re: Question about content of posted jokes, posted by Justherself54 on August 23, 2008, at 19:45:43
Yes...I very much agree. Nobody is being forced to read posts, and I think we can be adults about all of this. There is no individual or persons being 'put down' or such in these jokes.
Jay
Posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 11:14:26
In reply to Re: I agree..just put 'trigger' in subject post » Justherself54, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 25, 2008, at 8:23:12
Jay I agree with you. Phillipa
Posted by karen_kay on August 25, 2008, at 12:45:43
In reply to Re: I agree..just put 'trigger' in subject post » Justherself54, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 25, 2008, at 8:23:12
Posted by karen_kay on August 25, 2008, at 12:51:38
In reply to Re: I agree..just put 'trigger' in subject post » Justherself54, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 25, 2008, at 8:23:12
i have to keep cleanign my filthy computer so it won't keep freezing up. also, i'm stalking someone online and have to hide my tracks :)
well, about putting someone down... i often times refer to alldone as a dinosaur. some might say that's a putdown and a half. but, she's a good sport, but only because she's so old, she's heard it about a billion times (at least once a year).humour varies from person to person. i'm crass. and i smoke grass. what can i say? i'm me. i make no excuses for it other than that's who i am. the day i can't call all done a dinosaur, tell miss honey she's got big ole boobies, or talk dirty to mister bob is the day i no longer feel a part of this community, you know? and that'd sure be a shame....
then again, am i missing the point entirely? i sure hope so. i have been known to be completely dense and i wouldn't mind if someone pointed it out to me (i'm sure many people have. i know people call me a pill poppin, beer guzzlin, trollip all the time and it jsut makes me laugh.. oh, not to mention the fact i have no boobs. and the day they can't say that to my face, computer screen whatever, is a sad day indeed.)).
kk, who hopes that people can still have a sense of humour, as twisted and warped as the next guy/gal
Posted by karen_kay on August 25, 2008, at 12:55:06
In reply to sorry to 'test' your patience! » Jay_Bravest_Face, posted by karen_kay on August 25, 2008, at 12:51:38
i used to put trigger warnings frequently, but discontinued when it was brought to my attention that it was disrespectful. i just assumed form that point on when you read a kk thread, you get what you get, you know?
i am me. prepare to be offended in some way, you know? delightfully tacky
tata(s) (or lack thereof),
kk
Posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 13:05:30
In reply to and about the trigger...., posted by karen_kay on August 25, 2008, at 12:55:06
KK you know that makes so much sense if you know what a poster writes and you don't like it don't read it. KK is very smart in a good way today. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on August 25, 2008, at 14:34:11
In reply to Re: and about the trigger.... » karen_kay, posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 13:05:30
YES ITS ME MANIC ,thanks for debate its cool, i suffer constant anxiety an crazy bouts of depression, have done all my life. i carnt spell i lose the plot hey its me.now i hurt every day an i laugh through the hurt . i can take any phyical pain , well nearly i keep getting a 4 inch split fisher up my a/s/now thats pain. i have to be crude in adult jokes or there not funny.im telling them to grown ups not kids.itold you i lay on a shower floor in hospital for 6 hours a day for a week detoxin with freezin water because the sweat came out like a waterin can still i can laugh.im not a comedian i just want to laugh with people . look at the great comedians an what do the have in common BIPOLAR a lot of people i no dont no im a mental patient because i hide behind the smile.sorry what you see is what you get. MANIC666
Posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 25, 2008, at 14:39:55
In reply to THE CULPRIT, posted by manic666 on August 25, 2008, at 14:34:11
to these boards nor age restrictions to posters or readers - never have been.
Posted by rskontos on August 25, 2008, at 15:41:30
In reply to There are no 'adult content' warnings, posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 25, 2008, at 14:39:55
FWIW, I think KK is right about the trigger designation, it is usually to indicate CS or abusive types of messages so maybe a new indicator regarding humorous messages in that the language might be XX or PG 13 or over17 only etc. I read a few of the jokes and while I did not find them all the type I would necessary like on an ongoing basis I did not necessarily find them offensive completely either. I afterall have a teenage son and have to screen hiphop songs in which there can be truly offensive language. And I worked in a high school which can really open your ears. Anyway, I do believe that a warning in the subject might be appropriate but not necessarily the word trigger since I feel like its use here has been to mean something entirely differently in the past.
Again, this is just my humble opin
and usually I am much too serious and need to lighten up.so my opin might not be too valid.
rsk
Posted by fayeroe on August 25, 2008, at 16:04:34
In reply to Re: and about the trigger.... » karen_kay, posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 13:05:30
Posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 25, 2008, at 16:20:04
In reply to Re: There are no 'adult content' warnings, posted by rskontos on August 25, 2008, at 15:41:30
Yes, there are many areas in RL and on the internet where very, uh, very adult content is found.
I have a concern regarding the scope of these boards and their allowance.
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 25, 2008, at 17:42:11
In reply to and about the trigger...., posted by karen_kay on August 25, 2008, at 12:55:06
Yes...I don't really get it. I don't understand this censorship thing at all. I say just live and let live...not a very popular option these days.
Jay
Posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 19:38:23
In reply to AND if you don't know what the poster writes? (nm) » Phillipa, posted by fayeroe on August 25, 2008, at 16:04:34
If you mean babblemail the deputies can read them. Phillipa
Posted by fayeroe on August 25, 2008, at 19:44:58
In reply to Re: AND if you don't know what the poster writes? » fayeroe, posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 19:38:23
> If you mean babblemail the deputies can read them. Phillipa
I was talking about the tone of the poster's writings. I did not know what I was getting into.
Posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 20:14:02
In reply to Re: AND if you don't know what the poster writes? » Phillipa, posted by fayeroe on August 25, 2008, at 19:44:58
Pat just don't understand what you're saying. Got work to do now my online business. Phillipa
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on August 25, 2008, at 20:20:40
In reply to Re: AND if you don't know what the poster writes? » fayeroe, posted by Phillipa on August 25, 2008, at 19:38:23
> If you mean babblemail the deputies can read them. Phillipa
To clarify, we definitely *cannot* read anyone's Babblemails, not unless a poster deliberately forwards them to us using the Notification function, which is/should only be because there is a concern with civility, etc. We really have no desire to get involved with anyone's personal, private conversations unless absolutely necessary.
And even then, I don't recall deputies getting involved in actions regarding Babblemails violating guidelines in the past. I think we've called on Dr. Bob to determine how to proceed, as it's not quite as straightforward as when we do things based on public posts. I don't mean the civility standards aren't the same, I just mean the mechanism isn't really in place, to let someone know that they were warned, and/or why, when the problem happened behind the scenes, etc. To me, it's much more awkward and I am unsure as to how to proceed at times - to make deputy actions involving off-board behaviors clear and understandable, yet still protect everyone's privacy while doing so. In fact, the more I think, the more I recall I've never done it, although the others deputies may have.
Phillipa, I think fayeroe was asking you what other posters could do if they don't "know what a poster writes" - before opening that person's posts, because you said, "and if you don't like it, don't read it." Oftentimes, subject lines really don't give you much idea what might be in the post itself.
But I'll bet she will post to clear that up if I am mistaken.
Posted by fayeroe on August 25, 2008, at 20:39:01
In reply to Re: AND if you don't know what the poster writes? » Phillipa, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on August 25, 2008, at 20:20:40
"But I'll bet she will post to clear that up if I am mistaken."
How much?
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 26, 2008, at 14:25:57
In reply to Re: There are no 'adult content' warnings, posted by rskontos on August 25, 2008, at 15:41:30
Regarding the use of what some people term "colourful" language on the boards, I've found that many use some type of block to cross letters/censor out and such. I do that. There hasn't been any problems with this method. I don't really understand then what the issue is now? Also, people from different social classes and functioning levels post on here, and one poster explained that they could not communicate very well by typing. Maybe the person has a cognitive disability? They shouldn't be singled out just because they can't communicate so well, or if their communication is a very deep struggle, or their vocabulary is limited.
Just 'live and let live' I say.
Jay
Posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 26, 2008, at 15:43:13
In reply to Can we not just all be happy campers? :), posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 26, 2008, at 14:25:57
I could be happier if I didn't feel putdown for having a concern and an adm question and if I could get an answer from Dr. Bob, whatever that may be.
My topic, AGAIN, is not a question of should or should not something be a concern. Mine is a question to adm. as to: According to the quidelines and the type of boards these are, should the be content allowable? Anyone is free to read more into my concern but I can assure what I've inquired about is what I am inquiring about...
I used to think adm silence was an answer but now I think it's a sign that there's not alot of caring and attention from Dr. Bob.
I respect your views, I would ask the same from you please. If your issue is with the civility rules or the amount of censoring you feel happens here or whathaveyou, you have an option of taking that up with the adm just as I am doing now with something of concern to me. I would hope I would not cause any to feel badly about their opinions or having a concern even if I did not agree with the viewpoint.
Posted by fayeroe on August 26, 2008, at 18:01:53
In reply to Re: Can we not just all be happy campers? :) » Jay_Bravest_Face, posted by Hygieia's Bowl on August 26, 2008, at 15:43:13
> I could be happier if I didn't feel putdown for having a concern and an adm question and if I could get an answer from Dr. Bob, whatever that may be.
Same here.
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> My topic, AGAIN, is not a question of should or should not something be a concern. Mine is a question to adm. as to: According to the quidelines and the type of boards these are, should the be content allowable? Anyone is free to read more into my concern but I can assure what I've inquired about is what I am inquiring about...Same song, second verse.
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> I used to think adm silence was an answer but now I think it's a sign that there's not alot of caring and attention from Dr. Bob.Agreed.
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> I respect your views, I would ask the same from you please. If your issue is with the civility rules or the amount of censoring you feel happens here or whathaveyou, you have an option of taking that up with the adm just as I am doing now with something of concern to me. I would hope I would not cause any to feel badly about their opinions or having a concern even if I did not agree with the viewpoint.Thanks! Pat
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