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Posted by Lemonaide on August 1, 2008, at 6:28:12
In reply to Announcement of Policy Changes, posted by Deputy Dinah on July 30, 2008, at 21:50:35
I thought I understood, but I think I am more confused as ever. Perhaps some made up examples to show the change?
Posted by okydoky on August 1, 2008, at 10:42:30
In reply to Re: This is all a bit difficult, posted by Justherself54 on August 1, 2008, at 0:32:18
In light of what Daisym and Justherself54 said:
I feel it is all a part of this experiment, a part which observes how or if we react.
I dont know if either of the two issues were by design or not.
I feel by posting here I have allowed myself to be an active participant in what I feel is a disrespectful use of behavioral science with respect to the participants. But perhaps it is for the greater good. And mostly perhaps no one really gives a hoot what I feel :)
I have used the medication board as a resource, and I am most thankful to those that have helped me and to the experiment that made it possible.I checked out information on group social dynamics or other applicable search terms on the internet. Here are a couple I feel had applicable information (I have no background or knowledge on the topic)
http://hsd.soc.cornell.edu/curricular/axelrod_evolution_cooperation.pdf
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Social_Psychology/Introduction (The concerns of social psychology, Research ethics, External links )The American Association for Technology in Psychiatry had their 2008 annual meeting in May. One workshop was COMPUTER-MEDIATED RELATIONSHIPS: BLOGS,
ONLINE COMMUNITIES, AND VIRTUAL WORLDS
American Association for Technology in Psychiatry
Chp.: Robert C. Hsiung, M.D.
Participants: Steven Daviss, M.D., Jerald Block, M.DBut you have to pay to belong to read it. Has anyone on the site read it? I feel it would be interesting for us. I see DR Bob posts on the site what and where his talks are but not their content.
If you actually read this whole thing, thanks. I apologize for not being concise in my writing.
A kind and caring Community. I thank all of you.
Posted by Dinah on August 1, 2008, at 13:53:51
In reply to Re: This is all a bit difficult, posted by okydoky on August 1, 2008, at 10:42:30
Several years ago, after perhaps the first of Dr. Bob's long and unexplained absence from the boards, I told him that people were sure he was disappearing so that he could examine the effects of his absence. That we were sure we were lab rats in an experiment.
He asked me if I thought people felt more secure to think that he was watching and experimenting, rather than that he just wasn't watching at all. That he just wasn't there.
I was impressed. It was not particularly Bob-like at the time to say anything so shrinky, but I thought maybe he was on to something there.
I just thought I'd pass it along, in case anyone else found it as helpful a question as I did.
Posted by muffled on August 1, 2008, at 16:58:36
In reply to Re: This is all a bit difficult, posted by Dinah on August 1, 2008, at 13:53:51
> He asked me if I thought people felt more secure to think that he was watching and experimenting, rather than that he just wasn't watching at all. That he just wasn't there.
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> I was impressed. It was not particularly Bob-like at the time to say anything so shrinky, but I thought maybe he was on to something there.*Dinah, you a sweet cake.
Bob's...well...say no more.But that statement seems SO Boblike to my interpretation of it.
Cuz, what would make me secure?:
1. Bob to f*ck w/my head in the name of science? Watching to see how I react to pain stimulus? Like a lab rat? C-O-L-D.
2. Bob to go away and just be gone and not torment me with false hopes?
Hmmmmm.
I pick #2
I'd rather he just be gone. I'm not into letting him torment me.
I am a rational human being, NOT a rat.
I'm not sure he knows that.
Certainly I think the average lab rat is communicated to more than babblers are from Bob.
I wish Bob would at least bother to actually communicate.
But he doesn't.
Not even in the name of politeness.
So, thats Bob. He's human and has failings, so do I.
Unfortunately I can't tolerate his failings cuz they hurt me and others, and I hate to see it.
Too bad, so sad.
I wish all babblers well.
Hurts my heart.
:-(
Take care,
M
Posted by okydoky on August 1, 2008, at 17:17:30
In reply to Re: This is all a bit difficult, posted by Dinah on August 1, 2008, at 13:53:51
You said:
> Several years ago, after perhaps the first of Dr. Bob's long and unexplained absence from the boards, I told him that people were sure he was disappearing so that he could examine the effects of his absence. That we were sure we were lab rats in an experiment.
>He asked me if I thought people felt more secure to think that he was watching and experimenting, rather than that he just wasn't watching at all. That he just wasn't there.
>I just thought I'd pass it along, in case anyone else found it as helpful a question as I did.Who are you referring to that people... and . ..we were sure?
Were you satisfied with receiving a question that was not supportive of your observation that people were sure he was disappearing so that he could examine the effects of his absence. That we were sure we were lab rats in an experiment?
His question to you dealt with another subject matter altogether.
I wont repeat it, it is posted above.
I feel like the question to the observation was obfuscation.
Thank you for being so helpful.
oky
Posted by okydoky on August 1, 2008, at 17:34:02
In reply to Indeed, posted by muffled on August 1, 2008, at 16:58:36
>2. Bob to go away and just be gone and not torment me with false hopes?
Not seeing Dr Bob on the board does not imply he is not:
>Watching to see how I react to pain stimulus? Like a lab rat? C-O-L-D.What do you think?
oky
Posted by Dinah on August 1, 2008, at 18:36:06
In reply to What relevance does this have » Dinah, posted by okydoky on August 1, 2008, at 17:17:30
I considered the question to be more than sufficient answer. One, moreover, that is supported by my own subsequent observations both as poster and deputy.
I offered it to others for them to interpret as they wish because Dr. Bob may well be right. Perhaps it lends a certain sense of safety to Babblers to believe that he is out there, watching all. An all knowing, all powerful figure. I've acknowledged the wish myself.
But on the other hand, perhaps it's not as obvious an answer to others because it was intended for me, and he knew me well enough to know that I would find it an answer. In which case I apologize for being more confusing than I intended.
However, I think that would probably be a near delusional assumption of familiarity on Dr. Bob's part. :)
Is it really cryptic to others? I didn't mean it to be.
Perhaps one day I'll search the archives and try to interpret it. But perhaps not. A few illusions on my part do no harm.
Posted by okydoky on August 1, 2008, at 18:53:03
In reply to Re: What relevance does this have » okydoky, posted by Dinah on August 1, 2008, at 18:36:06
Posted by Dinah on August 1, 2008, at 19:09:17
In reply to Indeed, posted by muffled on August 1, 2008, at 16:58:36
I'm not all that sweet.
I just really enjoyed that answer. It was more effective than all the assurances in the world would have been. But maybe that's me.
It's funny how different people can respond to the exact same words spoken by the exact same person in a completely different way.
Posted by fayeroe on August 1, 2008, at 20:00:15
In reply to What relevance does this have » Dinah, posted by okydoky on August 1, 2008, at 17:17:30
I believe that he does this to throw the poster off balance and to retain the power that he sees himself having.
I think that anyone who answers a question with a question didn't have the answer in the first place.
It is called trying to pass the pain back to us.....I do not like it at all.
Posted by fayeroe on August 1, 2008, at 20:04:32
In reply to Re: What relevance does this have » okydoky, posted by Dinah on August 1, 2008, at 18:36:06
"I offered it to others for them to interpret as they wish because Dr. Bob may well be right. Perhaps it lends a certain sense of safety to Babblers to believe that he is out there, watching all. An all knowing, all powerful figure. I've acknowledged the wish myself."
I have alot of problems seeing Bob as "an all knowing, all powerful figure". I see him more as a person who reads our posts and decides what he will use and what he will discard.
I'm just not seeing "all knowing" and for him to be "all powerful" to me means I would have a totally different take on him. I've said it before and I'm saying it again, I haven't got that much invested here. I try to discuss and cuss and then take it all with a grain of BIG salt. :-)
Dinah, this has nothing to do with your personal observation. I just picked up on the descriptive part of your post. No harm intended to you.
Pat
Posted by muffled on August 1, 2008, at 20:08:54
In reply to Re: What relevance does this have » Dinah, posted by fayeroe on August 1, 2008, at 20:04:32
well FWIW when Bob was present alot, he DID have a presence. I think we made of him what we would as he is so blank slate.
He seemed important, a part of the community.
It WAS like he watched over us. At least it was IMHO.
But I always had doubts.
Now methinks I know why.
Its too bad really.
M
Posted by okydoky on August 1, 2008, at 21:19:23
In reply to Bob answers questions with his own question....... » okydoky, posted by fayeroe on August 1, 2008, at 20:00:15
Posted by Justherself54 on August 1, 2008, at 22:38:42
In reply to His own Questions with his own Questions.... (nm) » fayeroe, posted by okydoky on August 1, 2008, at 21:19:23
Maybe Bob gets burnt out and needs extented breaks? I quess I'd rather think that than feeling I was part of an experiment to see how much fur flies when babblers feel abandoned..just a thought that popped into my head..
Posted by Dinah on August 1, 2008, at 22:45:51
In reply to His own Questions with his own Questions.... (nm) » fayeroe, posted by okydoky on August 1, 2008, at 21:19:23
May be a poor way to disseminate information.
But it is an excellent way to illuminate truth.
Which I suppose could be frustrating for all parties involved, if different goals are held by each. I can picture it now. Dr. Bob wondering why we are having such a difficult time grasping the truth, while posters are wondering why Dr. Bob refuses to disseminate information. :)
Perhaps it would be helpful to clarify which is the goal. We could say, "Dr. Bob, we're not looking for truth or wisdom, although we thank you kindly for trying to lead us to it. We're just asking for some information please. Now, what time is it?"
However, I think I may be wandering from Administration to Philosophy. Which is definitely far afield from any knowledge base I may have.
And I am certainly not trying to be disrespectful to anyone or their concerns in this post. I hope that posters who are also deputies may occasionally be allowed some playfulness? I had started writing the post and it struck me as an amusing picture, is all.
Posted by Dinah on August 1, 2008, at 23:08:06
In reply to Answering questions with questions, posted by Dinah on August 1, 2008, at 22:45:51
It has come to my attention that Dr. Bob's answer really was cryptic. And perhaps my post was too.
I hadn't really realized that.
I guess I do have an odd thought pattern. Or maybe just a Bobly one.
It was a very clear answer that he wasn't there. When we were speculating over whether he was there and experimenting, he was not there. If he'd have come out and said "I wasn't there. I wasn't experimenting." I might not have believed him. If he'd have laughed at the idea of experimentation, or just said he wasn't there, I might have felt embarrassed or angry/abandoned.
But by leading me to the truth by asking me the question, he was acknowledging that it could be scary to think he wasn't around. By acknowledging that it could be comforting to think he was an all powerful being who was toying with us, but was at least all powerful, he was saying that he was neither all powerful nor experimenting with us.
My subsequent experiences with him validated his statement to me. And it was a statement, even if formed as a question.
I hesitate to say this, for what may be the same reasons he formulated it as a question. To realize for oneself can be sad. To be told can hurt.
I don't wish to hurt.
To me, Dr. Bob's way of telling was preferable. I received a truth through that question that was far more valuable than the information it also gave. I wanted to share that with anyone who wanted to receive it.
But to those of you who do not prefer this method, I do not wish you to feel that I'm toying with you.
I don't toy.
Posted by Zeba on August 1, 2008, at 23:20:52
In reply to Re: This is all a bit difficult, posted by Dinah on August 1, 2008, at 13:53:51
Personally I don't care if he is around or not. What I do not like is when he does come around, all of a sudden some heads roll (not deputies). He has his own ideas, and sometimes gives no warning to people, just blocks them.
Zeba
Posted by Dinah on August 1, 2008, at 23:43:35
In reply to Re: This is all a bit difficult » Dinah, posted by Zeba on August 1, 2008, at 23:20:52
I think it's probably true that deputies give warnings more often than Dr. Bob. But Dr. Bob follows his own rules, I'm sure, and doesn't block without a poster first receiving a Please Be Civil, even if not very recently.
If you are saying that deputy heads do not roll when Dr. Bob comes around, I will only say that I as a deputy try my best to stay within both the spirit and the letter of the civility guidelines. I am far more careful, probably, than if I were not a deputy. I do not try to use my deputy position to get away with anything. I wouldn't want to abuse my position, or anger Dr. Bob. I don't wish to speak for my fellow deputies or their motivations, but I believe they are as careful as I am.
Posted by fayeroe on August 2, 2008, at 8:57:04
In reply to Answering questions with questions, posted by Dinah on August 1, 2008, at 22:45:51
> May be a poor way to disseminate information.
I believe tht it more than "poor" when it comes to giving us real information. Isn't that where alot of our hurts come from?
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> But it is an excellent way to illuminate truth.I need a real concrete example on this one, say something that happened between Bob and a poster. Not a deputy and Bob.
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> Which I suppose could be frustrating for all parties involved, if different goals are held by each. I can picture it now. Dr. Bob wondering why we are having such a difficult time grasping the truth, while posters are wondering why Dr. Bob refuses to disseminate information. :)I do not believe that my goals, here, are within the length of a football field (goals) to Bob's. In fact, for the most part I think that Bob's goals are self-serving and I thought that we learned all we needed to know about that in kindergarten. :-) Maybe we need to find out when his birthday is and gift him with that book.
Bob, I apologize right now if I am causing pain and discomfort, with my post, and I certainly don't mean to make you feel put down. I guess I sorta see you as the man to get the slingshot out for. :-)
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> Perhaps it would be helpful to clarify which is the goal. We could say, "Dr. Bob, we're not looking for truth or wisdom, although we thank you kindly for trying to lead us to it. We're just asking for some information please. Now, what time is it?"If I asked Bob what time it is, Dinah, I believe he would answer me "what time do you want it to be?" I would walk off, bang my head against a wall and use my extensive supply of really bad words. I've done it on more than one occasion here.
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> However, I think I may be wandering from Administration to Philosophy. Which is definitely far afield from any knowledge base I may have.
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> And I am certainly not trying to be disrespectful to anyone or their concerns in this post. I hope that posters who are also deputies may occasionally be allowed some playfulness? I had started writing the post and it struck me as an amusing picture, is all.I think that people have been hurt here by way of "administration's abstract reasoning/thinking". I know that I certainly have been on more than one occasion.
I would like it if the that deputies could play more, however I'd want the posters to know which game and what rules are being used. This statement has nothing to do with any one particular deputy. Dinah, there is a wide divide, in my world, between the board, the deputies and Bob. So, if deputies would like to play, as deputies, let us know and we'll do it.
I think that it boils down to this, (Bob, take notes) it is the not knowing, that disturbs people with mental health issues. We are already faced with not understanding our brains, our lives, our families, our work, our homes, planes, trains and automobiles. Let us please understand the site that is here to give us mental health support.
I think that most of us want to feel included and appreciated. I don't like living Anne's life as it must have been while waiting for the ax.
Respectfully, Pat, posting as a poster.
p.s. My fellow countrymen/women (LBJ) if you don't understand my posting style, I'll be happy to explan things for you. I realize that on occasion I write less like I'm applying for grad school and more like I am slouched back in my chair, drinking my iced coffee and trying to manuever around Mikee, the dumpster kitty. Good example right now, he stepped on the keyboard. Having a deadline on a chapter makes me dot my "eyes" and cross my "tees"..
Not only is MIkee a problem, with my style, Timmee just grabbed a lizard on the porch and I had to rescue the poor baby. :-) And my iced coffee isn't all that satisfying today.
I've always wanted to stand in a doorway and hold my arms up like Nixon did and flash that sign that he did. Did that mean "peace"? I was so caught up in trying to put someone through school that I paid very little attention to the physical details of Mr. Nixon. If that is what he meant, consider me standing in my back door waving, smiling and flashing peace to Babble.
Posted by fayeroe on August 2, 2008, at 9:29:19
In reply to Re: His own Questions with his own Questions...., posted by Justherself54 on August 1, 2008, at 22:38:42
> Maybe Bob gets burnt out and needs extented breaks? I quess I'd rather think that than feeling I was part of an experiment to see how much fur flies when babblers feel abandoned..just a thought that popped into my head..
Maybe Bob could tell the posters that he is burned out.I see alot of posters writing that they are taking a break and some mention that they do not want friends to be concerned with their absence.
What is good for the goose is surely good for the gander?
Posted by Dinah on August 2, 2008, at 9:55:19
In reply to Re: Answering questions with questions » Dinah, posted by fayeroe on August 2, 2008, at 8:57:04
Well... I was a poster at the time. Not a deputy. I wasn't always a deputy.
However, I offered something that was valuable to me to the board. It apparently wasn't valuable to anyone else. I"m sorry about that and I meant well. Can we please drop it before something that was valuable to me is ruined for me? I offered it as a gift. If the gift wasn't valuable that's fine. But I hope that people at least recognize the spirit it was offered in.
In future I'll curb any desire I have to engage in a playful nature with my fellow posters. I tried to give a play bow to announce my intentions. But it apparently was not recognized as such. I'll try to be more Bob-like in future.
I feel like an *ss, and would prefer to just drop this, please.
Posted by fayeroe on August 2, 2008, at 10:13:22
In reply to Re: Answering questions with questions » fayeroe, posted by Dinah on August 2, 2008, at 9:55:19
> Well... I was a poster at the time. Not a deputy. I wasn't always a deputy.
I must be confused over the timeline.
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> However, I offered something that was valuable to me to the board. It apparently wasn't valuable to anyone else. I"m sorry about that and I meant well. Can we please drop it before something that was valuable to me is ruined for me? I offered it as a gift. If the gift wasn't valuable that's fine. But I hope that people at least recognize the spirit it was offered in.I was speaking for myself. All gifts are valuable and everyone has their own interpetation of what is going on here.
In no way, NO WAY, did I mean to come off in a way to cause you to feel criticized. Absolutely no way.
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> In future I'll curb any desire I have to engage in a playful nature with my fellow posters. I tried to give a play bow to announce my intentions. But it apparently was not recognized as such. I'll try to be more Bob-like in future.I recognized what you were offering. I offered back to you how I felt. I wasn't putting your feelings down. At least I didn't think that that was happening.
I'm sorry that you feel that I didn't encourage you to play with fellow posters.I hope that you do realize that sometimes we don't understand what is going on with the site. As an individual poster, I'd love to see you play, Dinah.
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> I feel like an *ss, and would prefer to just drop this, please.Well, I didn't drop it because I don't want you to spend your day thinking that I meant something when I didn't.
I am very sorry that your feelings were hurt by my post.I try to post from my heart and I always see the website from a poster's view. I'm sorry that it came across otherwise.
Pat
Posted by Zeba on August 2, 2008, at 11:49:43
In reply to Re: This is all a bit difficult » Zeba, posted by Dinah on August 1, 2008, at 23:43:35
Sorry; I did not mean to imply that you or other deputies get away with things. I realize you have to be extra careful, and I think that is unfortunate. I just meant that because you do have to be extra careful, it is not so likely you would get warned or blocked. Have a good day.
Zeba
Posted by muffled on August 2, 2008, at 13:15:02
In reply to Re: This is all a bit difficult » Dinah, posted by Zeba on August 2, 2008, at 11:49:43
I tol ya, you a sweet pea :-)
G'head and have fun, no worries.
Know that you ARE respected here.
M
Posted by Dinah on August 2, 2008, at 13:26:27
In reply to Dropping subject.................... » Dinah, posted by fayeroe on August 2, 2008, at 10:13:22
Thank you, Pat. I appreciate it.
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