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Posted by fayeroe on March 11, 2008, at 20:11:08
In reply to Re: nuts » fayeroe, posted by Toph on March 11, 2008, at 18:18:16
Toph, I can't say that I've ever understood Bobby. I tried.
I came here and got good information from the site members. I got help on the med that I needed info on.....
However, I cannot remember a time that I turned my computer off and said to myself, "that Dr. Bob really has it going on with the posters that need the site"......I generally walk away shaking my head and worrying about someone who has been blocked for a year. (Verne comes to mind)
I'm no mind reader, but I have the feeling that Bob isn't really "into" this dustup any more than he's been "into" the others.
I am so sorry that this has happened again to PB.
Posted by rskontos on March 11, 2008, at 21:26:48
In reply to Re: nuts » Toph, posted by fayeroe on March 11, 2008, at 20:11:08
I'd say I agree Fayeroe. He just runs from a good "dusting" and I say that because he decided to just let Dinah hold the cards and explain what happened. Not a good leader trait. And not something I think the good old Presidential candidates would like to hear and not something he probably mentioned in his letter to the candidates pointing out how he maintains good communication between leadership and memberships of the internet boards unless you do assume we are lab rats and therefore unable to effectively communication and silence is golden. I for one cannot fathom a leadership position in any organization that would stay alive for long whereby the leader just ignores those under them to whom they depend on for justification to another entity like I saw in the link that AbbieNormal put up whereby he pointed how effective he has been in maintaining communication with Babble community. It just astonishes me how he says one thing and does another. He took our voice away from us in one easy swipe of the pen.
Dinah, I am happy for you, but I agree with TwinLeaf and everyone else, I am sorry I am too mad to name everyone, that he has violated our trust in ignoring our pleas for information, and in doing so I am unsure of my future plans for posting here anymore. My trust, which I do not take or give lightly, has been breached by you, Dr. Bob. And you have chosen by your silence to show you care not a whit.
Dinah, you have shown you care, but again, it is not your site. The rules have been changed without so much as a by your leave or a notification. Just done....puff, it was done. And if that could have been done, then we could have been included and notified and answered. And like Muffled said if he cared enough to answer us, alot could have been forgiven. But now, could have been is a very big if.
rsk
Posted by Phillipa on March 11, 2008, at 21:48:41
In reply to Re: In a nutshell, posted by MidnightBlue on March 11, 2008, at 11:24:33
I never heard that before. A lot I don't know. Love Phillipa
Posted by Dinah on March 11, 2008, at 22:12:11
In reply to Re: In a nutshell, posted by MidnightBlue on March 11, 2008, at 11:24:33
My understanding of that rule as it evolved is that it's three notifications about a single poster. And that after the third notification that was found to be civil, future notifications might not be investigated. I don't think there's any penalty to the reporter other than that, so I think it's safe for you to use the notification button.
Posted by Dinah on March 11, 2008, at 22:13:36
In reply to Re: In a nutshell » MidnightBlue, posted by Dinah on March 11, 2008, at 22:12:11
I probably should add that in case of abuse of the notification system, there might be penalties involved in that. But that hasn't been an issue so far, and I can only think of rare circumstances where it might be.
Posted by Phillipa on March 11, 2008, at 22:26:47
In reply to Re: In a nutshell » MidnightBlue, posted by Dinah on March 11, 2008, at 22:12:11
Dinah thanks for the clarrification as I do use it numerous times and admin a deputy always has arrived and handled the situation. Such an awesome responsibility. If I wore a hat I'd tip it to you. Love Phillipa
Posted by KAL44 on March 12, 2008, at 0:33:09
In reply to Our situation here....., posted by twinleaf on March 10, 2008, at 22:20:54
the thing is a lot of us are busy too with work, and yet we come and read and sometimes post. Being too busy in my book is an excuse. I work some 50 to 60 hours per week sometimes.
Posted by Toph on March 12, 2008, at 5:21:59
In reply to Re: nuts, posted by muffled on March 11, 2008, at 18:47:36
> Dinah didn't start this. Bob did.
I apologize Dinah for shooting the messenger. I'm frustrated.
Posted by Dinah on March 12, 2008, at 8:05:24
In reply to Re: nuts » muffled, posted by Toph on March 12, 2008, at 5:21:59
Thanks Toph.
I really do hope you are able to find a way to stay around in the long run. Clearly I understand if you can't. But I hope you can. I'd miss you if you were gone.
Dr. Bob may not be around much right now. But Babblers are.
Posted by fayeroe on March 12, 2008, at 9:58:25
In reply to Re: In a nutshell » MidnightBlue, posted by Dinah on March 11, 2008, at 22:12:11
>> My understanding of that rule as it evolved is that it's three notifications about a single poster. And that after the third notification that was found to be civil, future notifications might not be investigated. I don't think there's any penalty to the reporter other than that, so I think it's safe for you to use the notification button.>>
This means that this poster is probably NEVER going to be uncvil? That is the stance that the administration has taken?
What about an incident where that poster becomes uncivil. They slide?
When the notify button is pushed, does administration know who pushes it?
A possible scenario that could happen is if the administration doesn't know who pushed the notify adm button, things could get to be fun for certain posters. They could push the button three times for their own civil posting and after that their posts could be uncivil and ignored..............
wooooooooooooohooooooooooo. an invitation to rock and roll!
I realize that the phrasing was "might be ignored" and since so much here is ignored, all of this seems a possibility to me.This is my take on the rule today, I am free to change my mind tomorrow...right?
Posted by gardenergirl on March 12, 2008, at 10:23:50
In reply to Re: In a nutshell » Dinah, posted by fayeroe on March 12, 2008, at 9:58:25
> >> My understanding of that rule as it evolved is that it's three notifications about a single poster [all from one poster]. And that after the third notification [from one poster] that was found to be civil, future notifications [from that poster about the other poster] might not be investigated. I don't think there's any penalty to the reporter other than that, so I think it's safe for you to use the notification button.>>
I've taken the liberty to add text in brackets to what Dinah said above to try to clarify the rule (at least as I understand it). Caveat: of course it may have changed since I was a deputy. But it's not all notifications about a poster, it's three from an individual poster about another individual poster.
And yes, admin knows who used the notify button, otherwise there would be no way to track this rule.
gg
Posted by fayeroe on March 12, 2008, at 11:21:32
In reply to Attempt to clarify » fayeroe, posted by gardenergirl on March 12, 2008, at 10:23:50
Posted by Phillipa on March 12, 2008, at 19:22:49
In reply to Attempt to clarify » fayeroe, posted by gardenergirl on March 12, 2008, at 10:23:50
When you use the notification button your name shows up with a small screen for typing in whats wrong or you feel is wrong like a small babblemail. Phillipa
Posted by Dinah on March 14, 2008, at 22:39:57
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight, posted by muffled on March 10, 2008, at 22:26:43
I think I've been pretty self protective in that regard for some time. :(
Muffled, I never did answer your post (and many others I'm sure - I got overwhelmed, and I'm sorry.)
But this post popped up in my mind today at therapy. I was telling my therapist that I've tried all my life to be good and to be civil. But that you are the person who inspired me to want to be more than good and more than civil. You made me want to be generous. Because I've always so admired your generosity of spirit.
I love how you can see all sides of an issue.
Posted by Dinah on March 14, 2008, at 22:41:00
In reply to Attempt to clarify » fayeroe, posted by gardenergirl on March 12, 2008, at 10:23:50
Thanks. :)
And you are, of course, correct.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2008, at 12:52:20
In reply to Re: thank you dinah » muffled, posted by Dinah on March 11, 2008, at 12:05:57
> Maybe he cares, but maybe he needs to give his baby to someone else, cuz he not got enuf time to properly care for it :-(
>
> muffledI don't think you're babies. I think you can care for each other, and the deputies can help care for you.
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> 3. We hear about proposed changes in procedures and rules , not because they are being offered for our consideration, but because a particular deputy finds them unacceptable. No organization would survive very long using indirect tactics like this.
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> For me, participating here is not exactly a matter of remaining safe. It is more a matter of feeling respected and valued as one among many people who share the joys, sorrows, victories and setbacks of their personal journeys.
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> twinleafI'm sorry you and others didn't feel cared for or treated respectfully. But at the same time, I think lots of organizations discuss proposed changes first among a few people and only later more widely.
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> I worry that notifications may not be made on incivility towards posters that people are annoyed with or even justifiably angry with. I worry that well liked posters won't often be reported while posters who are less popular might be reported quite frequently.
Those are concerns of mine, too. It might not work to wait if very unpopular, or very popular, posters are involved. Those situations might need to be exceptions.
> I worry that posters who are pbc'd or blocked will realize that it's because someone turned them in, and all the anger now reserved for admin will be turned instead to fellow posters. I worry that this won't lead to a more supportive site.
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> DinahI understand those concerns, too. But I think there would still be plenty of anger directed at us, since we'd still be the ones actually posting the PBC or doing the blocking. And we've had the notification button for a while already, has it been an issue yet whether a PBC or block has resulted from someone using it?
I see notifying us as pro-community (helping to keep Babble civil) rather than anti-poster (getting someone in trouble). I also think that the more people who take responsibility for a community, the stronger that community will be.
Bob
Posted by muffled on March 28, 2008, at 0:23:10
In reply to Re: his baby, posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2008, at 12:52:20
> > Maybe he cares, but maybe he needs to give his baby to someone else, cuz he not got enuf time to properly care for it :-(
> >
> > muffled
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> I don't think you're babies. I think you can care for each other, and the deputies can help care for you.*Oh MAN!!! I wasn't meaning that you thot WE was babies but that BABBLE is your baby....ROFL!!
I was trying to say that if you(Bob) do not have enuf time to properly care for babble, then you should turn the administration of this site to someone else who is more available to be more CONSISTANT.> > 3. We hear about proposed changes in procedures and rules , not because they are being offered for our consideration, but because a particular deputy finds them unacceptable. No organization would survive very long using indirect tactics like this.
> >
> > For me, participating here is not exactly a matter of remaining safe. It is more a matter of feeling respected and valued as one among many people who share the joys, sorrows, victories and setbacks of their personal journeys.
> >
> > twinleaf
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> I'm sorry you and others didn't feel cared for or treated respectfully. But at the same time, I think lots of organizations discuss proposed changes first among a few people and only later more widely.*This is NOT lotsa organizations, this is BABBLE, and its an open forum so its its hard when the admin is so not keeping us in the loop. Cuz we used to being in the loop bout most of each others stuff here.
> > I worry that notifications may not be made on incivility towards posters that people are annoyed with or even justifiably angry with. I worry that well liked posters won't often be reported while posters who are less popular might be reported quite frequently.
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> Those are concerns of mine, too. It might not work to wait if very unpopular, or very popular, posters are involved. Those situations might need to be exceptions.*I gather this is an evolving thing this new policy??
> > I worry that posters who are pbc'd or blocked will realize that it's because someone turned them in, and all the anger now reserved for admin will be turned instead to fellow posters. I worry that this won't lead to a more supportive site.
> >
> > Dinah
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> I understand those concerns, too. But I think there would still be plenty of anger directed at us, since we'd still be the ones actually posting the PBC or doing the blocking. And we've had the notification button for a while already, has it been an issue yet whether a PBC or block has resulted from someone using it?*I have FAITH in fairness of deps!
> I see notifying us as pro-community (helping to keep Babble civil) rather than anti-poster (getting someone in trouble). I also think that the more people who take responsibility for a community, the stronger that community will be.
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> Bob*EWWWWWWWWWW!
But I have to agree w/Bob on this one.....
I MUCH prefer to diss him....oh well...
M
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2008, at 10:38:16
In reply to Re: his baby » Dr. Bob, posted by muffled on March 28, 2008, at 0:23:10
> > I don't think you're babies. I think you can care for each other, and the deputies can help care for you.
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> *Oh MAN!!! I wasn't meaning that you thot WE was babies but that BABBLE is your baby....ROFL!!OK, but I don't think Babble is a baby anymore, either. I think it can do a lot to care for itself. But I do also understand that it would help if I were more consistent.
> I gather this is an evolving thing this new policy??
Yes, it's definitely an evolving thing, and I wouldn't even call it a policy yet, I'd call it a proposal.
> I have FAITH in fairness of deps!
Thanks, I do, too.
Bob
Posted by fayeroe on March 28, 2008, at 13:02:54
In reply to Re: his baby, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2008, at 10:38:16
"OK, but I don't think Babble is a baby anymore, either. I think it can do a lot to care for itself. But I do also understand that it would help if I were more consistent."
I am a substitute teacher at the big prison here and the motto there is "firm, fair and consistent".
Consistency from you would really go a very long way here. An even "keel" is reassuring to anyone and particulary people with mental health issues.
Thanks for making that admission, Dr.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 30, 2008, at 14:17:40
In reply to Re: his baby » Dr. Bob, posted by fayeroe on March 28, 2008, at 13:02:54
> I am a substitute teacher at the big prison here and the motto there is "firm, fair and consistent".
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> Consistency from you would really go a very long way here. An even "keel" is reassuring to anyone and particulary people with mental health issues.
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> Thanks for making that admission, Dr.You're welcome, and I like that motto. I think the administration here is always firm, fair, and consistent, but my presence does seem to make a difference:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080313/msgs/820304.html
I have the idea that it can be hard for substitute teachers. And the deputies here are kind of in that position.
Bob
Posted by fayeroe on March 30, 2008, at 15:42:47
In reply to Re: substitute teachers, posted by Dr. Bob on March 30, 2008, at 14:17:40
> > I am a substitute teacher at the big prison here and the motto there is "firm, fair and consistent".
> >
> > Consistency from you would really go a very long way here. An even "keel" is reassuring to anyone and particulary people with mental health issues.
> >
> > Thanks for making that admission, Dr.
>
> You're welcome, and I like that motto. I think the administration here is always firm, fair, and consistent, but my presence does seem to make a difference:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080313/msgs/820304.html
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> I have the idea that it can be hard for substitute teachers. And the deputies here are kind of in that position.
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> Bobsubstitute teaching isn't hard for me. when i walk in, i own that class. i let them know what my expectations are, up front, and let them know that if they don't meet them...i will write them a case and then they go before security.
there is structure in a prison. it is totally up to the substitute to maintain an orderly classroom. no one told me that, it's just the way i operate there.
i also make it very clear that i am there to help them learn and that it goes both ways...if they learn, so do i.
seems to me that being a deputy could be very close to being a sub. it is an individual thing here and in a prison.
one major difference is that a deputy will never be taken hostage and there is a very good chance that someone might try that there. :-) (i took self defense classes before i would agree to be in the classrooms) :-)
Posted by Dinah on March 30, 2008, at 16:04:31
In reply to Re: substitute teachers » Dr. Bob, posted by fayeroe on March 30, 2008, at 15:42:47
> substitute teaching isn't hard for me. when i walk in, i own that class. i let them know what my expectations are, up front, and let them know that if they don't meet them...i will write them a case and then they go before security.
Is that what people would like here?
Dr. Bob's idea is moving in the other direction. Deputies are to ignore anything they see unless something is reported to them.
So expectations can be set, but posters know that if they don't meet them, absolutely nothing will be done unless they themselves complain.
Posted by fayeroe on March 30, 2008, at 16:09:42
In reply to Re: substitute teachers » fayeroe, posted by Dinah on March 30, 2008, at 16:04:31
"substitute teaching isn't hard for me. when i walk in, i own that class. i let them know what my expectations are, up front, and let them know that if they don't meet them...i will write them a case and then they go before security."
i was talking to Bob.
Posted by Dinah on March 30, 2008, at 16:11:16
In reply to Re: substitute teachers » Dinah, posted by fayeroe on March 30, 2008, at 16:09:42
Posted by 10derHeart on March 30, 2008, at 23:20:19
In reply to ok (nm) » fayeroe, posted by Dinah on March 30, 2008, at 16:11:16
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