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Posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 21:19:45
And to my enormous surprise, we were able to work things out so that I feel confident that I'll be able to stay while still able to feel safe.
I felt bad about triggering all this distress before, and I really really feel bad about it now.
I didn't expect a reaction like this from my fellow posters to my announcement. And I'm sure those of you who know Dr. Bob will understand that the very *best* I hoped for was to be able to remain as a poster, given that I really had no ability to be flexible in this area.
I know you guys are probably pretty mad at me. And I don't blame you. It really never occurred to me that it could be worked out, but I shouldn't have been so negative and cynical in my thinking.
My understanding from speaking to him is that he really has been busy and hasn't had time to read Admin in any detail.
I really am sorry, and if there's anything I can do to explain, I will try.
Posted by ClearSkies on March 10, 2008, at 21:30:58
In reply to Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight, posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 21:19:45
Dinah, I'm really happy that you two have communicated and hopefully come to some kind of peace about this.
Are you going to stay on in your capacity as deputy?
ClearSkies
Posted by MidnightBlue on March 10, 2008, at 21:38:32
In reply to Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight, posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 21:19:45
Dinah,
Not sure in what capacity we will have you back, but glad you were able to work something out with Dr. Bob.
MB
Posted by Toph on March 10, 2008, at 21:40:39
In reply to Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight, posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 21:19:45
Dinah, I'm sorry to say this, but this is no longer about you. This is about our trust in Bob. If he said he didn't know about the turmoil here then shame on him. If he did and hoped we would work it out, then he's lying to you. Either way I'm pissed.
Posted by Phoenix1 on March 10, 2008, at 21:48:10
In reply to Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight, posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 21:19:45
Dinah,
I don't think anyone was mad at you, nor did you stir anything up. You announced your resignation as politely and quietly as possible. I will truly miss you when I'm gone. And I really would like you to be the one to block me for old times sake.
I think people are angry at Mr. Bobby's complete lack of regard for the situation. It seems that he really doesn't give a dams. It's like we're a little petri dish. Oh well, a day of no food or sunlight won't hurt them...
Anways, glad to see you back. YOU are the cement that holds this place tofgether. NOW BLOCK ME PLEASE!
> And to my enormous surprise, we were able to work things out so that I feel confident that I'll be able to stay while still able to feel safe.
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> I felt bad about triggering all this distress before, and I really really feel bad about it now.
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> I didn't expect a reaction like this from my fellow posters to my announcement. And I'm sure those of you who know Dr. Bob will understand that the very *best* I hoped for was to be able to remain as a poster, given that I really had no ability to be flexible in this area.
>
> I know you guys are probably pretty mad at me. And I don't blame you. It really never occurred to me that it could be worked out, but I shouldn't have been so negative and cynical in my thinking.
>
> My understanding from speaking to him is that he really has been busy and hasn't had time to read Admin in any detail.
>
> I really am sorry, and if there's anything I can do to explain, I will try.
Posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 21:55:17
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight » Dinah, posted by Phoenix1 on March 10, 2008, at 21:48:10
I haven't seen a post that would get you blocked. Mind you, I haven't been reading that many posts, and no one has reported you.
But clearly he does care? If he didn't care, he wouldn't have discussed it with me. And even I didn't think he'd be willing to be as flexible as he has been. Maybe he didn't want to talk too much on babble until he'd done everything he could on the other end? Because we hadn't really gotten very far in our detente until tonight.
Posted by Phoenix1 on March 10, 2008, at 22:00:25
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight » Phoenix1, posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 21:55:17
Wow, you really haven't been looking too hard. Thanks! I'll keep posting, you'll come across one eventually.
Again, I'm glad you decided to return. Lot's of people here really admire you and were very saddened by the thought of losing you. I am one of those people. I'm leaving Babble, not because of you, but because of "Dr." Bob., and his ridiculous management and policies.
Posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 22:03:31
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight » Dinah, posted by Toph on March 10, 2008, at 21:40:39
I realize this is no longer about me. I still can't believe my leaving was that all that important. But I'd have to be an idiot not to see that it's taken on a life of its own. And a lot of reasons to be mad at Dr. Bob and Admin are in it.
But you know, he surprised me tonight. Maybe he can surprise others too? Maybe he's more flexible than we give him credit for?
Posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 22:06:28
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight » Dinah, posted by ClearSkies on March 10, 2008, at 21:30:58
I suppose I am, Clearskies. At least as far as Dr. Bob and I are concerned.
I'm cringing a bit at facing Babblers though. :(
Posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 22:08:53
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight » Dinah, posted by MidnightBlue on March 10, 2008, at 21:38:32
Thanks, Midnight. I'm glad I can post again too.
I've got some Dr. Seuss quote in my brain just out of reach. But I cant' quite figure out which one it is. "To think that I saw it on Mulberry Street?" Not quite right. I'll keep thinking.
Posted by Justherself54 on March 10, 2008, at 22:14:13
In reply to Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight, posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 21:19:45
Dinah, you said he hasn't had time to read admin in any detail..it doesn't take but one glance to know there's trouble..and not to respond to everyone is downright rude..
Posted by twinleaf on March 10, 2008, at 22:20:54
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight » Phoenix1, posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 21:55:17
has become serious for me. I am very glad to hear that you have worked out your differences with Bob, Dinah. At the same time, there remain some important unaddressed questions for the rest of us, or at least for me. What caused the problem you had? I gather that it was new posting procedures which most of us don't know about. It seems strange to me that many of us on this site have been kept completely in the dark about these new procedures, about why you felt you had to leave, and, now, about why it is possible for you to return.
This has now gone far beyond you, Dinah. Because Bob has not responded to repeated requests for information, there has been a huge lost of trust and confidence in Babble on the part of many long-time posters. If there is never going to be an informative, mutually respectful clearing of the air, it could easily happen that, even as you are feeling able to return safely, many of the rest of us will never be able to feel that way, and will disappear permanently. You have probably noticed that very little posting is going on now: people just don't have the heart to do it any longer.
Posted by Phoenix1 on March 10, 2008, at 22:24:58
In reply to Our situation here....., posted by twinleaf on March 10, 2008, at 22:20:54
> has become serious for me. I am very glad to hear that you have worked out your differences with Bob, Dinah. At the same time, there remain some important unaddressed questions for the rest of us, or at least for me. What caused the problem you had? I gather that it was new posting procedures which most of us don't know about. It seems strange to me that many of us on this site have been kept completely in the dark about these new procedures, about why you felt you had to leave, and, now, about why it is possible for you to return.
>
> This has now gone far beyond you, Dinah. Because Bob has not responded to repeated requests for information, there has been a huge lost of trust and confidence in Babble on the part of many long-time posters. If there is never going to be an informative, mutually respectful clearing of the air, it could easily happen that, even as you are feeling able to return safely, many of the rest of us will never be able to feel that way, and will disappear permanently. You have probably noticed that very little posting is going on now: people just don't have the heart to do it any longer.Wow, twinleaf, well put. How do you stay so calm? I admire your response, and hope Bob answers these questions, but I doubt anyone will be satisfied with his answer. It will probably smug and 2 or 3 sentences long. I wish you the best.
Posted by muffled on March 10, 2008, at 22:26:43
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight » Toph, posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 22:03:31
> I realize this is no longer about me. I still can't believe my leaving was that all that important. But I'd have to be an idiot not to see that it's taken on a life of its own. And a lot of reasons to be mad at Dr. Bob and Admin are in it.
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> But you know, he surprised me tonight. Maybe he can surprise others too? Maybe he's more flexible than we give him credit for?* Dinah, as you know, this is not the first time we have had a go-round with Bob and his lack of communication.
I understand some lack of communication,but this is , as usu, over the top, again. I like babble better when Bobs not around much. However I do find his seeming lack of effective communication skills disheartening when I can see what an important place he holds here to many people. I fortunately seem to, for the most part, have been able to step back from him and not get caught up in his web. But not all are that fortunate, and like it or not, meaning to or not, Bob hurts those people. I think he needs to take some time to consider this phenomenon...or mebbe he is studying it???
But this keeps happening...over and over.
There is a recurring theme here...
If Bob truly DOES give a sh*t, maybe he will try to figger it out...or, more Boblike, wait for someone else to figger it and tell him perhaps.
Yes, he is a busy man, but like I have said before, he should not be running a website unless he is willing to care for it. If we were his kids, he would be considered to be abusing us with lack of care.
No, I do not think we need Bob all the time, if fact, the less Bob the better. But we need Bob too, cuz he is the only one who can actually change things here.
But then Bob won't change, but then Bob dissappears...
But then Bob never seems to come up with full answers.
He ignores direct questions.
Maybe he cares, but maybe he needs to give his baby to someone else, cuz he not got enuf time to properly care for it :-(
I dunno.
Maybe all will go back to 'normal' again...
But alot of people were hurt/triggered, yet again by Bobs lack of action.
Granted, if he were to post something....what might he post w/o further riling others...I'm not sure, but saying nothing doesn't seem to work, thats for sure.
Sad.
Just protect yourself from caring too much Dinah. Keep you eyes wide open round Bob, protect your heart.
M
Posted by muffled on March 10, 2008, at 22:28:49
In reply to Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight, posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 21:19:45
if Bob ever showed some real humaness and vulnerability we'd proly forgive him in a heartbeat.
We a soft hearted lot here.
We just don't like getting hurt.
M
Posted by muffled on March 10, 2008, at 22:32:03
In reply to Our situation here....., posted by twinleaf on March 10, 2008, at 22:20:54
Posted by Toph on March 10, 2008, at 22:38:25
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight » Toph, posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 22:03:31
Dinah I was a child protection worker for seven years, and for the life of me, I never could understand how people neglected and abused things they created.
Posted by gardenergirl on March 10, 2008, at 22:39:11
In reply to Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight, posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 21:19:45
That's wonderful news, Dinah. I'm so glad you remained open to talking to him about this and that he was able to as well. We're all the better for it.
Yeah!
gg
Posted by Phoenix1 on March 10, 2008, at 22:43:50
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob » Dinah, posted by Toph on March 10, 2008, at 22:38:25
> Dinah I was a child protection worker for seven years, and for the life of me, I never could understand how people neglected and abused things they created.
Toph, that's a perfect analogy. People get tired of things. Instead of giving them up when the time comes, some can't give up "ownership" and turn to outright neglect instead.
Posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 23:07:49
In reply to Our situation here....., posted by twinleaf on March 10, 2008, at 22:20:54
Well, I'm sorry for my part in setting this off.
I don't know what I can do further than that.
Posted by I need a hug on March 11, 2008, at 4:04:08
In reply to Re: Our situation here..... » twinleaf, posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 23:07:49
How many people here have sent Dr.Bob e-mails voicing their concerns about what's going on here? He doesn't read the board or just glances at it. I guess he doesn't read his e-mails either!!!!!
Posted by SLS on March 11, 2008, at 5:30:46
In reply to Dr. Bob and I discussed this tonight, posted by Dinah on March 10, 2008, at 21:19:45
I don't flip-flop!
I'm afraid my opinion of you remains...
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yqc5oj
Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, as long as it agrees with mine.
Welcome back.
Welcome away.
Welcome always.
- Scot
Posted by SLS on March 11, 2008, at 5:31:36
In reply to Flip-Flopper! » Dinah, posted by SLS on March 11, 2008, at 5:30:46
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Posted by SLS on March 11, 2008, at 5:41:41
In reply to Flip-Flopper! » Dinah, posted by SLS on March 11, 2008, at 5:30:46
Damned URLs.
Try this one.
http://www.slschofield.com/people/dinah/dinah_rose.html
Spoiled the surprise.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on March 11, 2008, at 7:53:04
In reply to Re: Flip-Flopper! - Oops. Damned URLs., posted by SLS on March 11, 2008, at 5:41:41
Awwww, that's so sweet, Scott. I really do appreciate it. It was a hard thing to do, to admit after all this that we worked it out.
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