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Posted by jylisnotlaughing on December 9, 2006, at 23:08:06
is not civil..
"blocking" is ignorace
Posted by ClearSkies on December 9, 2006, at 23:25:38
In reply to life, posted by jylisnotlaughing on December 9, 2006, at 23:08:06
Perhaps babble is the opportunity for us to learn how to become more civil IRL. I know that it has made me think things through before I respond to what I consider to be slights against me. I have the dream or wish that the world can become a happier place, and it has to begin with me.
I do believe that blocks are intended to keep babble that civil place.
Just my 2 cents.
CS just a poster
Posted by jylisnotlaughing on December 10, 2006, at 1:34:14
In reply to Re: life » jylisnotlaughing, posted by ClearSkies on December 9, 2006, at 23:25:38
i thought..this was a safe place...
but ..it will never be mine ..the rag on my face smells like vomit............
Posted by NikkiT2 on December 10, 2006, at 4:09:12
In reply to life, posted by jylisnotlaughing on December 9, 2006, at 23:08:06
Just out of interest.
Were you a regular visitor here ~before~ blocing was introduced.
Because, I for one, feel much much safer now.. Its nice to know I will not be attacked here now.
*shrugs*
Like I said though, not so long ago, this is a very different place now, and not one I particularly like anymore.. And I don't believe that is down to Dr Bobs civility rules.
Nikki
Posted by NikkiT2 on December 10, 2006, at 4:13:20
In reply to Re: life, posted by jylisnotlaughing on December 10, 2006, at 1:34:14
>>"i thought..this was a safe place..."
Different peoples ideas of safe differ.
Mine is safety from being attacked by people on here. When I was being attaced by my "stalker" on just about every site I went to, when I was overdosing regularly because of that, this was the one safe place I could come to, and know that I wouldn't have to face that. I knew I was protected from that.
I am fidning new safe places now though, as I simply don't really like PB anymore. I'm not making a 100 posts about it, but am settling in elsewhere.. I know that this isn't my web site, I don't own these boards, and so I know the problems I have with it, and how it might be run, are ~my~ problems to deal with. And the easiest way is to find somewhere tht matches what I want better.
Maybe others should do the same?
And, like I said, its nothing to do witht eh civility standards here that are pushing me away.. but other issues.
Nikki
Posted by fayeroe on December 10, 2006, at 10:02:18
In reply to life, posted by jylisnotlaughing on December 9, 2006, at 23:08:06
> is not civil..
>
> "blocking" is ignorace
amen.........
Posted by muffled on December 10, 2006, at 10:56:49
In reply to life, posted by jylisnotlaughing on December 9, 2006, at 23:08:06
Well said
Posted by Honore on December 10, 2006, at 11:54:15
In reply to Re: life, posted by NikkiT2 on December 10, 2006, at 4:13:20
Hi, NikkiT2.
I was wondering how you found other places where you were more comfortable.
Honore
Posted by NikkiT2 on December 10, 2006, at 13:20:55
In reply to Re: life, posted by Honore on December 10, 2006, at 11:54:15
Years of experimentation.. *s*
Asking around, using google.. I think I've been online too many years now though!
Nikki
Posted by 64bowtie on December 11, 2006, at 1:10:23
In reply to life, posted by jylisnotlaughing on December 9, 2006, at 23:08:06
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 13, 2006, at 3:41:01
In reply to life, posted by jylisnotlaughing on December 9, 2006, at 23:08:06
> "blocking" is ignorace
Please don't post anything that could lead others (such as the deputies or me) to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please first see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by mike lynch on December 13, 2006, at 15:15:20
In reply to Re: life » jylisnotlaughing, posted by NikkiT2 on December 10, 2006, at 4:09:12
> Just out of interest.
>
> Were you a regular visitor here ~before~ blocing was introduced.
>
> Because, I for one, feel much much safer now.. Its nice to know I will not be attacked here now.
>
> *shrugs*
>>
> NikkiMuch safer?? puhleeze...IT's an "internet" forum. The reasons for blocks are absurd, they aren't for just blatant insults or put downs if they were confined to that criteria I could understand. But you cant' even state an opinion without offending someone.
I dislike the color red
"please don't post things that could offend those of us who like the color red"
give me a break, how can you think these blocks are more productive then harmful
Posted by verne on December 13, 2006, at 17:30:16
In reply to Re: life, posted by mike lynch on December 13, 2006, at 15:15:20
Posted by sunnydays on December 13, 2006, at 17:55:55
In reply to Re: life » jylisnotlaughing, posted by NikkiT2 on December 10, 2006, at 4:09:12
I agree with NikkiT2. I only feel safe posting here because I know there are civility guidelines, my opinions will not be attacked, and that my opinions will accordingly be respected. My opinions may not be civil, and that means I don't have to express them. Not everyone in the world has to know my every opinion, I'm fine with leaving the uncivil ones in my head or telling them to someone supportive IRL. But that's my experience of the site, and obviously lots of people disagree with me.
sunnydays
Posted by verne on December 13, 2006, at 19:23:58
In reply to Re: life, posted by sunnydays on December 13, 2006, at 17:55:55
Which is better a Hugfest or a Blockfest? Does it have to be one or the other?
Is there no middle ground between hollow cyber hugs and genuine reaching out that tries to bridge the gap between online and real life? One is called support, the other, incivility.
Earlier, we saw that apologizing for starting a thread that "got ugly" is praised with no regard for the poster who alledgedly made it *ugly*. The poster wasn't mentioned by name but the implication was obvious.
I would argue that blaming someone for turning a thread "ugly" is uncivil. Yet, as I said, this observation was praised. Cloak criticism of another poster in a fluffy apology and it's allowed. Make one misstep while being real and you're blocked.
Sometimes fluffy isn't always good, nice, or even real, and scruffy isn't always the mean "troll". Some of the realest posters have been called "trolls". Long gone yet remembered in song.
No offense to Fluffy or Scruffy.
Verne
Posted by sunnydays on December 13, 2006, at 19:34:10
In reply to Hugs or Blocks, posted by verne on December 13, 2006, at 19:23:58
But see, I don't think the hugs or the support given here is hollow. No one is forced to give hugs....no one is forced to post support to someone. What is posted as support or hugs I think is most likely genuine, since I know I don't respond to posts where I have nothing or something uncivil to say. I think that this is the middle ground. It's not a hugfest by any means, and the blocks have been lessening a lot recently, I think. No one is forced to participate. But it's a privilege to participate, so I think it's perfectly reasonable that the owner of the site get to make whatever guidelines he wants about how we do so.
sunnydays
Posted by henrietta on December 13, 2006, at 19:53:11
In reply to Hugs or Blocks, posted by verne on December 13, 2006, at 19:23:58
verne: keep meaning to say i like you. appreciate your input. henrietta
Posted by verne on December 13, 2006, at 20:37:04
In reply to Re: Hugs or Blocks » verne, posted by henrietta on December 13, 2006, at 19:53:11
Thanks Henrietta - likewise.
You opened my eyes to the depths of "fluffiness" - in theory and practice on Babble - in one of your earlier posts. We are in complete agreement about block lengths.
verne
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 14, 2006, at 9:27:26
In reply to Re: life, posted by mike lynch on December 13, 2006, at 15:15:20
> The reasons for blocks are absurd
Please don't exaggerate or overgeneralize. Would you be willing to try to rephrase that as an I-statement? FYI, there's a nice post by Dinah about wording at:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040112/msgs/320097.html
> But you cant' even state an opinion without offending someone.
>
> I dislike the color red
>
> "please don't post things that could offend those of us who like the color red"That's actually a fine I-statement. More of a problem would be:
> Red sucks.
For a little more about disagreeing, being sensitive and respectful, and language that could offend others, see:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060525/msgs/655122.html
It can be hard to find a middle ground with different points of view yet at the same time sensitivity to the feelings of others, but that's our quest...
Bob
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