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Posted by madeline on July 13, 2006, at 13:01:51
Is that available on babble?
Posted by Dinah on July 13, 2006, at 17:04:01
In reply to Ignore user option, posted by madeline on July 13, 2006, at 13:01:51
Dr. Bob has chosen not to make that option available. The only option is to not open posts.
Posted by tealady on July 14, 2006, at 8:05:54
In reply to Ignore user option, posted by madeline on July 13, 2006, at 13:01:51
I have suggested that previously. It would make it lke other neternet forums.
It would also be a simple solution to many difficulties here, and negate the need for a DNP etc ..
Perhaps it is too diffuclt for Dr Bob to implement.. sigh...I hate the DNP !!!
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 19, 2006, at 21:40:24
In reply to Re: Ignore user option, posted by Dinah on July 13, 2006, at 17:04:01
> Dr. Bob has chosen not to make that option available. The only option is to not open posts.
Well, there's also the option of trying to coexist...
Bob
Posted by tealady on July 27, 2006, at 1:31:15
In reply to Re: Ignore user option, posted by Dr. Bob on July 19, 2006, at 21:40:24
> > Dr. Bob has chosen not to make that option available. The only option is to not open posts.
>
> Well, there's also the option of trying to coexist...
>
> Bobsigh, you TOTALLY the point DrBob ???!! sigh..
I'll try to explain.
A lot of forums (its the norm I'd say) have an ignore user option.Its a friend way of not having to read posts accidentally of people who for some reason "offend' you.
It puts the responsibility totally onto the person (user) of making the choice of who they want to chat to or read posts from without having to worry about remembering nicks or names or history..
Some of us (me anyway) have really dreadful short term memories, and don't want to have to remember who we dont want to read again etc.. we just want to forget .. set and forget.It makes it simple... but way more important is it places the responsibility of deciding who or who we think "offends" us onto the reader.
A SIMILAR thing is implemented here with the DNP request.
Only here (IMO) the responsibilty is taken away from the person. Here the implementation , in my opinion, reflects more like one would treat a kindegarten age child...one who runs to their parents and says/""but Mummy/Daddy..so and so (brother or whatever) called me names.. and the parent implements something like asking the child not to in future.. or here someone posts a DNP request.
Whereas in other forums with an ignore button, the posters are considered capable of takng the responsibility of deciding quietly if they want to read someones; post in the fture..for however long a period.. without mamking a public display oif calling fro a DNP request and possibily "hurting" the person PUBLICLY who they put a DNP on.
similarly here blocks are used too.. and babblemails are blocked too along with the blocks.
it takes the responisbilty away from the user (reader) to my thinking.
IMO it means the posters here (if they havent already)don't get the chance to develop the responsibility to NOT read people who "offend" them;
..the ignore also blocks "forum mail" in othere forums .
IMO here posters are not considered capable of decidng who they want to read.The SAME result can be achieved without hurting anyone too much, without making it public, and often without anyone (even the person being placed on "IGNORE" knowing). The reader just doesn't "see" any of their posts in the future..
noone is offended , everyone is happy..
and if the poster who is placed on ignore gets no replies.. they may wonder that's all.
It works effectively on many other forums I post on, and I use it too :-)But I'm sure I'm on a few people ignore lists as well.. it can be used just to cut down on the amount of reading as well.. its just a way of making forums more managable ..timewise, and making sure one does get more time to help your "friends" and those who one does relate to as well... a sort of "select" button..
some forums have "friends" buttons as well which gives another levels of selection available.. but the most important is an ignore buttin IMO.If you had an Ignore button here, you wouldnt need any DNP rules.
Also you wouldnt need to block babblemail in posters that have been blocked..alowing these people access to help and support from others which is often most needed at this time... not everyoone has exchanged email addys.. or met up.. or on other private forums or groups where they can talk together when blocked here.
The blocks are really , in this way, very unlevel in effect.
Not blocking babblemail would help even this out..
and having an "ignore" option ..which also blocked babblemail from that user..would prevent any problems of posters sending "hate" mail or similar.again all my opinion only.
Its not about "trying to coexist..." ..
on that note..what are the blocks and the DNP's about.
If you do recall from the numersous posts you have read here, mine have always been consistently against the blocks and DNP.. more on the trying top coexist and learning to acccept differences and trying to talk about these differing viewpoints and accepting them or even better coming to some agreement, even if agreeing to differ..something I don't feel is allowed to happens when blocks are placed for just having differing views and stating them on the politics board? IMO Blocks are placed way too often instead of trying to talk it out and reach some understanding?
Yes SOME blocks should happen for some things.. but rarely IMO again. A LOT can be achieve by an IGNORE user option instead..well hope this clarifies the "IGNORE" post option and how it works..
Posted by tealady on July 27, 2006, at 7:26:38
In reply to Re: Ignore user option, posted by Dr. Bob on July 19, 2006, at 21:40:24
Main point summary:
1. The difference with having an "ignore" option is the user (poster) decides who they read NOT the moderator of a forum**
The responsibility of choice to read or not is mostly with the user.This should (I think) occur in a adult or teenage group, which, I assume covers all the posters here. For those that may not be able to cope with this responsibility.. the internet forums here provide an opportunity for development and growth of that ability. (less full on than social contact in the "real" world).
2. Making the babblemail linked into the IGNORE option would stop any "nasty" emails from anyone one wants to ignore.
3. the IGNORE button can be used to filter out anyone who may "offend" in any way.. making the DNP unnecessary as far as I can see?
4. The IGNORE option may also be used as a "filter".. in any way to user wants..
eg.. one could just filter "friends" posts
one could filter "newbies" posts etc.5. The USER gets to decides when he/she no longer wishes to ignore..
6. At present blocking the babblemail of blocked posters creates a unequal (and perhaps even potentially dangerous) situation for those cutoff, not everyone has the same support system "outside".. both on and off the web.
**except for a few cases of posts that may need a ban .. these would be a real minority of those banned now.
(I think you can tell the more extreme cases, who may need a break for their own good as well as everyone elses..or those who just deliberately continue to be "offensive" purposely despite repeated warnings etc)Personally I like to control who I chat with or try to support/help out myself.. NOT have the choice made for me. This is a very "wierd" artifical environment to me.
OK sometimes it can be hard to resist to Ignore and leave it on.. but that's the learning curve.
Face to face is different of course, especially in cases of violence. Here complete cutoff can easily be obtained.sigh, twasn't much of a summary..
Posted by sunnydays on July 27, 2006, at 9:07:57
In reply to Re: Ignore user option » Dr. Bob, posted by tealady on July 27, 2006, at 7:26:38
Hi,
I don't really post on admin, so sorry for jumping in. One thing I would worry about with having filters like that is that when I was new (and I guess I'm still pretty new compared to most of the people here), if everyone was filtering out 'newbies' just to save themselves time, I would have been horribly discouraged by not getting any replies. I think it has the potential for people who just aren't 'popular' and don't have a ton of Babble friends to not get responses and have them believe that that is reflecting on their post and not on how people have their filters set up. I'm not sure if there's a way that is avoided in the situation you are describing. I just wouldn't want anyone to be as hurt as I would have been if they didn't get responses to their posts and didn't know that a lot of people had their filters set up to save time. I also think that by not having all those posts available on the page, people can miss threads that might interest them, that for some reason catch their eye, because they're screening out 'newbies'.Anyway, overall I really like the premise of the idea that it would place responsibility for not reading on individuals, but those are just some concerns I would have.
sunnydays
Posted by tealady on July 27, 2006, at 17:20:37
In reply to Re: Ignore user option » tealady, posted by sunnydays on July 27, 2006, at 9:07:57
> Hi,
> I don't really post on admin, so sorry for jumping in. One thing I would worry about with having filters like that is that when I was new (and I guess I'm still pretty new compared to most of the people here), if everyone was filtering out 'newbies' just to save themselves time, I would have been horribly discouraged by not getting any replies. I think it has the potential for people who just aren't 'popular' and don't have a ton of Babble friends to not get responses and have them believe that that is reflecting on their post and not on how people have their filters set up. I'm not sure if there's a way that is avoided in the situation you are describing. I just wouldn't want anyone to be as hurt as I would have been if they didn't get responses to their posts and didn't know that a lot of people had their filters set up to save time. I also think that by not having all those posts available on the page, people can miss threads that might interest them, that for some reason catch their eye, because they're screening out 'newbies'.
>
> Anyway, overall I really like the premise of the idea that it would place responsibility for not reading on individuals, but those are just some concerns I would have.
>
> sunnydaysThat's the beauty of it.. you can't filter out newbies.. only currently known nicks
and yes, people may feel hurt with no replies.. They do now on here(speaking for myself), so I can't see a lot of difference they don't usually "know for sure " they are on ignore.. although I've been told on one forum I can see this by attemting to send a forum mail.. but haven't as yet tried.
The thing is once a forum gets over small size there is just not enough time in th day to read and abnswer everyones posts..so one has to be selective in some way. With this facility it helps me to be more selective the way I want to be, saves time and allows me to nswer and read more of what I want to read
Posted by tealady on July 27, 2006, at 17:31:26
In reply to Re: Ignore user option » tealady, posted by sunnydays on July 27, 2006, at 9:07:57
being placed on ignore should "hurt" a way less than a public DNP request post.
Also maybe I didn't try babblemail as I don't really want to know if I've been placed on ignore or not?. I think if some one places me on ignore then I don't care, and don't want to know. It doesn't affect me then.. but a public DNP is a "hit" one can't ignore. I've never liked them.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 30, 2006, at 1:24:55
In reply to Re: Ignore user option » Dr. Bob, posted by tealady on July 27, 2006, at 7:26:38
> 1. The difference with having an "ignore" option is the user (poster) decides who they read NOT the moderator of a forum
I agree, users would have more control. But they would also be exposed to more incivility, because more posts would be uncivil if fewer posters were blocked.
> 2. Making the babblemail linked into the IGNORE option would stop any "nasty" emails from anyone one wants to ignore.
I agree, ignoring would keep one person from receiving them. But blocking keeps everyone from receiving them.
> 3. the IGNORE button can [make] the DNP unnecessary as far as I can see?
I agree, it would, like a DNP, keep users from seeing posts directed to them. But I think continuing to see other posts encourages the reopening of lines of communication.
> 4. The IGNORE option may also be used as a "filter"..
I agree, ignoring would be one way to filter. But not clicking on posts is another way.
> 5. The USER gets to decides when he/she no longer wishes to ignore..
I agree, users would have control over when to stop ignoring. But they have control over when to resume clicking on posts, too.
> 6. At present blocking the babblemail of blocked posters creates a unequal ... situation for those cutoff, not everyone has the same support system "outside"..
I agree, people are less able to receive support if they're blocked. But they would be if they were ignored, too.
> OK sometimes it can be hard to resist to Ignore and leave it on.. but that's the learning curve.
It can be hard not to click on posts, but couldn't that be learned, too?
> Personally I like to control ... NOT have the choice made for me.
I understand, accepting authority can be an issue here, and that's understandable. I think my main points would be:
a. The goal of this site is support. If people are ignored, they won't receive as much support.
b. People don't want to be ignored themselves, so it's more in keeping with the golden rule not to ignore others.
c. Coexisting has broader application than ignoring.
Bob
Posted by Estella on July 30, 2006, at 20:08:31
In reply to Re: Ignore user option, posted by Dr. Bob on July 30, 2006, at 1:24:55
> more posts would be uncivil if fewer posters were blocked.
not necessarily...
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