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Posted by linkadge on April 13, 2006, at 8:07:45
Don't mean to be a nerd but come on.
"ATTN: Marty...your new Sioux name; Little Wang"
Linkadge
Posted by Deneb on April 13, 2006, at 9:53:46
In reply to Re:Please be civil » Crazy Horse, posted by AuntieMel on April 13, 2006, at 8:50:09
I don't think this post should have gotten a PBC warning. I think I get what is implied by "Teeny Weenie Wang", but I don't think it's obvious what it means.
Deneb*
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20060412/msgs/632543.html
> Although your women suggested Teeny Weenie Wang, Crazy Horse and his people will call you
> Little Wang.>>
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> I realize you are probably just "horsing around" but please don't say anything to put others down.
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> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general lease see the FAQ:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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> AuntieMel - acting as deputy for Dr. Bob.
Posted by gardenergirl on April 13, 2006, at 11:06:52
In reply to latest post on Babble is inappropriate, posted by linkadge on April 13, 2006, at 8:07:45
Hi Linkadge,
I appreciate the heads-up, and I think it's been addressed. However, since one of the civility guidelines is to not post anything that could lead others to feel accused, would you please rephrase your subject line?Alternative ways to express yourself can be found in the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Thanks,
gg acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by Deneb on April 13, 2006, at 13:03:24
In reply to Re:Please be civil, posted by Deneb on April 13, 2006, at 9:53:46
Hmmm...it's difficult for me to express myself sometimes...
I think what bothers me about the latest PBC is that it is automatically assumed that telling a person they have a small penis or whatever is a put down. (That is what was implied right? If not I'm probably making a fool of myself!)
Deneb*
Posted by linkadge on April 13, 2006, at 13:36:30
In reply to Please rephrase » linkadge, posted by gardenergirl on April 13, 2006, at 11:06:52
Posted by gardenergirl on April 13, 2006, at 16:12:11
In reply to latest post on Babble *seems* inappropriate (nm), posted by linkadge on April 13, 2006, at 13:36:30
Thanks for your reply. Actually can you rephrase without using the word "inappropriate" or something else similar? Using that word characterizes the post in a negative way, and might lead to the poster feeling accused or put down.
A good way to avoid this when asking about a post is just to ask us to look at it without commenting on the post itself. That way you can avoid labelling or characterizing the post in a way that might be uncivil.
One more try, please?
Thanks,
gg
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 13, 2006, at 18:50:29
In reply to Re:Please be civil, posted by Deneb on April 13, 2006, at 13:03:24
It was horsing around, but it also offends me when the Sioux, or any language that is not english is used in that respect, seems it's usually First Nations, or Chinese I've seen it before, not here, mostly in the early years of junior high. I didn't think it was clever then either.
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 13, 2006, at 18:57:45
In reply to Re: latest post on Babble *seems* inappropriate » linkadge, posted by gardenergirl on April 13, 2006, at 16:12:11
I don't understand. Inappropriate is a fair word. The F.A.Q deems what is appropriate and what isn't. So why is saying something is innappropriate when it contravenes the board rules wrong?
Is it different than asking someone to be civil?
By saying that you are inferring that they are not civil. And regular posters are allowed to do that.
They are even allowed to say on admin, I don't think this post is civilOr say that something isn't allowed.. allowed/innappropriate.. what's the difference?
I would think that innappropriate is even less judgemental,
It means it's not appropriate for the board, it's not a general statement.I know you have to follow the rules GG, so please this isn't at you.
I'm just baffled..
and find it more than ridiculous.
Posted by gardenergirl on April 13, 2006, at 22:22:21
In reply to Re: latest post on Babble *seems* inappropriate, posted by gabbi~1 on April 13, 2006, at 18:57:45
Actually, we (deputies) are supposed to say, "Please don't ____" versus saying what someone did do was uncivil.
I don't know, perhaps the word "inappropriate" is more loaded for me than for others. I still recommend posting a request for admin to look at a post, and perhaps asking if it's civil versus saying something negative about the post.
I suppose this is one where reasonable people can view it differently, which could include Dr. Bob.
gg
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 14, 2006, at 1:18:02
In reply to Re: latest post on Babble *seems* inappropriate, posted by gabbi~1 on April 13, 2006, at 18:57:45
> I don't understand. Inappropriate is a fair word.
Instead, how about something like:
> Please review this post:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20060412/msgs/632496.html
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> I'm afraid that:
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> > Although your women suggested Teeny Weenie Wang, Crazy Horse and his people will call you Little Wang.
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> may lead Marty to feel put down.
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> Thanks,
>
> LinkadgeBob
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 14, 2006, at 1:29:37
In reply to Re: latest post on Babble *seems* inappropriate » gabbi~1, posted by gardenergirl on April 13, 2006, at 22:22:21
> Actually, we (deputies) are supposed to say, "Please don't ____" versus saying what someone did do was uncivil.
>Why would you have to say that if they weren't doing it though.
I mean you wouldn't generally tell one person out of a crowd of hundreds, to please not step on your foot if they weren't doing it.
I guess when it comes to inappropriate
I think of it's literal meaning, but it's true that in recent years it seems to have become a euphemism for rude.well.. it's not a big deal anyway, I think I will recover :)
Sometimes the dynamics are a mystery, but many things are a mystery to me, at least this one is tinyAnd please don't think you have to answer me. I'm not arguing, just sort of thinking out loud.
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 14, 2006, at 6:01:58
In reply to Re: latest post on Babble *seems* inappropriate » gardenergirl, posted by gabbi~1 on April 14, 2006, at 1:29:37
Posted by greywolf on April 14, 2006, at 8:21:14
In reply to Re: latest post on Babble *seems* inappropriate » linkadge, posted by gardenergirl on April 13, 2006, at 16:12:11
With all due respect to differing points of view, I think a former president might get a kick out of this hairsplitting.
I very much understand the need for sensitivity in almost all circumstances, not just on this website. But I do scratch my head when the focus is less on what I think was an undeniably questionable post in Babble, and more on the use of very mild language by Linkadge in pointing that out.
Linkadge can obviously speak for himself, but I think characterizing a post as "inappropriate" and even amending the characterization to "seems inappropriate" is very far from "accusing," in any sense of that term that is commonly understood.
The social convention that's being enforced is odd, because it seems obvious that Linkadge could feel accused by someone telling him that it was inappropriate for him to use the word "inappropriate."
While progressive in concept, the convention seems regressive in enforcement. Perhaps it would be better to presume a constructive, non-accusatory effect unless common sense immediately suggests the post would lead someone to feel accused.
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 14, 2006, at 11:07:52
In reply to Greywolf wonders about accusation by implication, posted by greywolf on April 14, 2006, at 8:21:14
I know that wasn't for me, but thanks anyway.
I somehow feel relief that someone else is thinking the tail is wagging the dog here.
Posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 21:59:47
In reply to : ) thanks » greywolf, posted by gabbi~1 on April 14, 2006, at 11:07:52
The original post must have been okay it was redirected to sociaL Love Phillipa
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 14, 2006, at 23:15:28
In reply to Re: : ) thanks, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 21:59:47
It only got a p.b.c so there is no reason it wouldn't be redirected.
Actually, there's no reason a post would not be redirected (at least a post that's in the wrong place) Unless it was in a thread posted by a blocked poster who was using another name.
Posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 23:22:57
In reply to Re: : ) thanks » Phillipa, posted by gabbi~1 on April 14, 2006, at 23:15:28
Now don't confuse me as I may want one too. But where do you keep it in your pocket or what? Love Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on April 15, 2006, at 8:15:06
In reply to Re: latest post on Babble *seems* inappropriate » linkadge, posted by gardenergirl on April 13, 2006, at 16:12:11
This statement does not assume that the post was uncivil or civil, it is just asking that the post be reviewed in terms of its civilty or uncivilty.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on April 15, 2006, at 8:17:12
In reply to Re: latest post on Babble *seems* inappropriate, posted by gabbi~1 on April 13, 2006, at 18:57:45
Thats exacty what I was thinking. It would be no more insulting if I said somebodys post was uncivil than if I said sombodies post was innapropriate.
But I rephrased it for the sake of civilty.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on April 15, 2006, at 8:20:37
In reply to Greywolf wonders about accusation by implication, posted by greywolf on April 14, 2006, at 8:21:14
>Linkadge could feel accused by someone telling >him that it was inappropriate for him to use the >word "inappropriate."
Interesting point. Oh boy.
Linkadge
Posted by gardenergirl on April 15, 2006, at 8:45:55
In reply to Might somebody review the civilty of this post. » gardenergirl, posted by linkadge on April 15, 2006, at 8:15:06
Thanks, Linkadge. I appreciate your coming back to this.
Take care,
gg
Posted by greywolf on April 15, 2006, at 13:09:03
In reply to Re: Greywolf wonders about accusation by implication, posted by linkadge on April 15, 2006, at 8:20:37
> >Linkadge could feel accused by someone telling >him that it was inappropriate for him to use the >word "inappropriate."
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> Interesting point. Oh boy.
>
> LinkadgeYeah, at some point you get caught up in the search for the uncaused cause instead of simply concentrating on what's at hand.
I think people just have to accept that this site and its boards are ruled by conventions that don't necessarily apply in the off-web world, and whether you agree or disagree, those are the rules of the house. It occasionally appears that some people are putting too fine a point on things, but it is a minor matter when judged in relation to the value of these boards.
In any event, I agree with Linkadge's initial alert regarding the the post in the other board (which I will not attempt to characterize because an adjective at this point will only fuel the debate), and I believe that the matter should start and end on that issue alone.
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 15, 2006, at 13:36:35
In reply to Re: : ) thanks » gabbi~1, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2006, at 23:22:57
You mean the chicken that keeps bothering me for quarters?
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 15, 2006, at 16:31:28
In reply to Re: Greywolf wonders about accusation by implication » linkadge, posted by greywolf on April 15, 2006, at 13:09:03
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> Yeah, at some point you get caught up in the search for the uncaused cause instead of simply concentrating on what's at hand.
>It reminds me of a scientific test that was done on spiders building webs. They were given different psychoactive drugs
and the one that got speed just wound herself around into tight little ball.Don't really know why it reminds me of that, but it does.
...(which I will not attempt to characterize because an adjective at this point will only fuel the debate)
chuckle..
Posted by linkadge on April 15, 2006, at 19:50:32
In reply to Re: Greywolf wonders about accusation by implication » greywolf, posted by gabbi~1 on April 15, 2006, at 16:31:28
Yeah, the web of the spider on acid was bizzare.
Linkadge
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