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Posted by willyee on February 6, 2006, at 9:38:16
Hopefully im allowed to say this,to be 100 percent honest im not sure what im allowed to say really.
Anyway i see a lot of common situations happening that i wanted to comment on.
The trend i see is this....you have a veteran,or semi-veteran,or the very least some one who although here a short time has contributed much to the group.
Then you have what not me,but the internet in general refer to as a "troll" which is a person who specificaly creates an identity,with no real interest in mind other than sparking flames and getting under peoples skin.
Now i understand we are adults and should regardless learn how to handle it when somone ruffles us with comments and the like,but the problem i see with this is in the long run who hurts from this??
The person is blocked and at the least people are denied valuable information for a week or so.In worst cases we even loose a person.The "troll" or maybe trouble maker i should use? Knows he is on a road to being blocked,his goal is to cause as much trouble until he does.
I dont know,i guess my bottom line is i dont think its doing any good for anyone when very general blocks are put forth for a word or two when if you step back and look at the entire picture you see very easly what happened.
To leave with an example,a memeber used a term that created an entire thread of people offended by the term.Of course in this thread a few were found who had trouble keeping there anger of the comment vague.They were blocked.
Now in a case like this,wouldent one think a moderater would step back,look at the enormous negative response the comment drew in,and address the person making the comment.How can we create a close faimly like enviorment here when we dont feel we have any support from our moderaters.
Last i think the block comment itself is cold,and vague.It almost feels like an automated response when you are blocked.Even in high school you were allowed to visit the dean and argue your case,here it just doesent seem that way.
Like i said i with all honesty no longer know if im being civil or not,and i have read the guidelines.All i know is a comment was made that i personaly found extremly offense,and i stated that,what in that case was i supposed to do,dont i have the right to be offended and speak my mind just as much as the person had the right to say what in my view was a extremly hurtful comment?
Either way i just hope the group doesent loose valuable people over these situations.Trouble makers are there to do exactly that,cause trouble,get people removed.Instead of robot like comments why arent are moderators acnowledging when there is a problem between a known veteran and a new commer.
I would think a person who invested time and energy and care by comming here to help should have that reputation known by moderators,but being blocked in a snap through a dispute with a new commer with no background here just doesent seem right.
Posted by muffled on February 6, 2006, at 11:38:59
In reply to About being blocked., posted by willyee on February 6, 2006, at 9:38:16
Nice writing willyee. I agree with you. The problem seems to be that there has to be a basic set of rules for all, new and old. I hate it, but at the same time I guess I sort of understand it in a way. Life sucks in a lot of ways, and I guess these rules are one of them. I think no matter what, someone ends up mad somehow. I don't think theres easy answers. I'm not so smart or I'd be a deputy so I could put in my 2 cents worth....but I'm just not too good at thinking most of the time.
That was a nice post.
Muffled
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 6, 2006, at 22:37:38
In reply to About being blocked., posted by willyee on February 6, 2006, at 9:38:16
> i understand we are adults and should regardless learn how to handle it when somone ruffles us with comments and the like
I agree, that would work best. :-)
> How can we create a close faimly like enviorment here when we dont feel we have any support from our moderaters.
A family's a similar environment, but there are big differences, too...
> i just hope the group doesent loose valuable people over these situations.
Unfortunately, we do lose valuable people. Fortunately, we keep some, too. :-)
> I would think a person who invested time and energy and care by comming here to help should have that reputation known by moderators,but being blocked in a snap through a dispute with a new commer with no background here just doesent seem right.
I do appreciate the time and energy and care that you and others invest here. It's what drives this community. What I wonder is, how can we keep from losing you again?
Bob
Posted by willyee on February 6, 2006, at 23:58:24
In reply to Re: About being blocked., posted by Dr. Bob on February 6, 2006, at 22:37:38
> > i understand we are adults and should regardless learn how to handle it when somone ruffles us with comments and the like
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> I agree, that would work best. :-)
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> > How can we create a close faimly like enviorment here when we dont feel we have any support from our moderaters.
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> A family's a similar environment, but there are big differences, too...
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> > i just hope the group doesent loose valuable people over these situations.
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> Unfortunately, we do lose valuable people. Fortunately, we keep some, too. :-)
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> > I would think a person who invested time and energy and care by comming here to help should have that reputation known by moderators,but being blocked in a snap through a dispute with a new commer with no background here just doesent seem right.
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> I do appreciate the time and energy and care that you and others invest here. It's what drives this community. What I wonder is, how can we keep from losing you again?
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> BobAlthough the message was obviously about me and my latetest block,the majority of it actualy wasnt,reason being is i will be blocked,and unfortunatly i will probuably be banned.I accept that because that is the person i am,however i have been through so much over the past 9 years i feel its my duty to help anyone in anyway,as well as get some answers as i find certain people hear really know there stuff.
But not to be cliche,but im from the WORST part of brooklyn,and biting my tongue has never been a strong point,not just here in babble.Even if the blocks were lightened up id probuably still over step the line,i dont do it on purpose of course.
But im not gonna stop comming unless i feel its benificial to me,if people gain anything from my exper then it makes my loss of my 20`s worth something.Ill always find a foroum or a person to help,and ill always find someone to look to for help.
I just think or hope the powers that be here,are behind the scenes at least talking,and truly making sure that the way things are now are the best it can be,personaly i think Dr bob can work out a better system,but thats not my place to judge,just comment.
Lol believe it or not im a angel here,prior to this group i was mostly active on usenet google and im probuably archived to death,but the flames there did interupt the benifits of the groups,so all in all i wish there was some medium to be met.
Anyway hopefully ill make it a few more months till my last blocking,not sure how many i have left until my yearly ban,take care guys im not much of a social babbler ill keep my behind where it belongs,over on the medication board,thanks for the ear.
Posted by James K on February 7, 2006, at 1:26:56
In reply to Re: About being blocked., posted by willyee on February 6, 2006, at 23:58:24
Hey willyee,
I appreciate your input here. I hope you do find a way to not get blocked because everytime one of my new friends or persons I respect gets blocked it messes with my head a little. I just got my first 2 warnings because I am kind of new here. One I was sure I was blocked big time because I was way out of line. The other I'm not so sure about yet, but am going to work out.I don't let people screw with me in real life, and I also step out of line in real life (this is real though). I'm trying to learn about myself and consequences by staying within these rules.
You are right to come to this admin board and question and ask for change, but I'm sorry to see that you think it is doomed. I mean for this to come out supportive and say please stick around. I don't know you well enough yet to go further than that.
anyway thanks for reading,
James K
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