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Posted by littleone on January 22, 2006, at 20:37:07
I really don't want to get into an argument with anyone, or debate whether deneb should have been blocked or not. In fact, I probably won't reply to any posts here in an attempt to avoid those things.
I just want some further clarification from Dr Bob.
You blocked deneb for this:
>> Wanna go to the CN tower? I went once. I felt bad then and wished I could jump off, but it's impossible because of the way they designed the fence there.>Please don't treat death lightly. Sorry, but I'm going to block you from posting for 4 weeks again.
And I've read the following examples you gave:
OK, here are some hypothetical examples:
> I'm so upset that I want to OD.
> I'm thinking about jumping off buildings. These thoughts are in my head, but I don't want to die.
Those I think I'd see as posting about suicidality without treating it lightly.
> People here are making me very upset and making me want to OD.
> Dr. Bob wants me dead again.
Those I don't think I'd see as treating it lightly, either, but could lead others to feel accused or be jumping to conclusions.
> It's fun to think of ODing.
> Hmmm...just for the heck of it I think I'll learn to tie a noose.
> I really don't want to write my exam, I think I'll take an OD.
> I think it would be a good idea to OD so people will take me seriously. ODing is a very bad and serious thing.
And those I think I'd see as treating it lightly.
But deneb's statement didn't really fit nicely into any of those examples.I can understand you might think she's treating death lightly because of her previous posts, but that's making assumptions about her intent. In fact, I didn't see her treating things lightly. I just saw her stating a fact in an unemotional way.
I could easily say "I was going to xyz(insert method of death) when I visited the accident site, but didn't" and it may be a very unemotional fact when posted. But that certainly doesn't mean I treat it lightly.
But I can't see how that's different from what deneb posted.
I'd just like you to clarify if that sort of thing (ie my accident site example) would invoke a block.
Posted by thuso on January 22, 2006, at 22:15:25
In reply to Treating death lightly *trigger*, posted by littleone on January 22, 2006, at 20:37:07
> I can understand you might think she's treating death lightly because of her previous posts, but that's making assumptions about her intent. In fact, I didn't see her treating things lightly. I just saw her stating a fact in an unemotional way.
>
> I could easily say "I was going to xyz(insert method of death) when I visited the accident site, but didn't" and it may be a very unemotional fact when posted. But that certainly doesn't mean I treat it lightly.
>
> But I can't see how that's different from what deneb posted.
>
> I'd just like you to clarify if that sort of thing (ie my accident site example) would invoke a block.
>I think it may also have to do with the fact that she started off the paragraph with...
>Let's do some fun things in Toronto. Wanna go to the CN tower? I went once. I felt bad then and wished I could jump off, but it's impossible because of the way they designed the fence there.
>"Let's do some fun things..." and then talking about how how she wanted to jump off, but couldn't because of how the fence is designed is not like the sentence you gave as an example. The way she wrote it (even if she didn't mean to treat death lightly) went against what Dr. B gave as examples only 10 minutes prior. I'm guessing that if Deneb hadn't written "Let's do some fun things...", she wouldn't have been blocked. There are many ways she could have rewritten that paragraph to say the exact same thing that wouldn't have gotten her blocked. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. I hope she learns from this experience. Perhaps, whenever she is going to write a post that includes something relating to death, she can run it by someone before posting it. It will all be up to her.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 23, 2006, at 4:14:53
In reply to Treating death lightly *trigger*, posted by littleone on January 22, 2006, at 20:37:07
> I didn't see her treating things lightly. I just saw her stating a fact in an unemotional way.
Besides the point that thuso made, "unemotional" is the same idea:
> Main Entry: light·ly
> : in a light manner: as
> b : with indifference or carelessness : UNCONCERNEDLY <the problem should not be passed over lightly -- Shelly Halpern>
>
> Main Entry: un·con·cerned
> 2 : not anxious or upset : free of worryhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060111/msgs/600912.html
Bob
Posted by littleone on January 23, 2006, at 15:01:34
In reply to Re: Treating death lightly, posted by Dr. Bob on January 23, 2006, at 4:14:53
Thank you for replying.
> Besides the point that thuso made, "unemotional" is the same idea:
>
> > Main Entry: light·ly
> > : in a light manner: as
> > b : with indifference or carelessness : UNCONCERNEDLY <the problem should not be passed over lightly -- Shelly Halpern>
> >
> > Main Entry: un·con·cerned
> > 2 : not anxious or upset : free of worryI can understand that saying "It would be fun to xyz" is treating it lightly (ie in a light manner, with indifference and carelessness) and should be discouraged.
But if you have numbing from PTSD or you dissociate or you intellectualise as a defense, well they can all look like you're not anxious or upset about the issue. When in actual fact they've probably kicked in because you're too distressed.
Are you saying that if you post about death in an emotionless way, that will invoke a block?
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 24, 2006, at 1:53:23
In reply to Re: Treating death lightly » Dr. Bob, posted by littleone on January 23, 2006, at 15:01:34
> if you have numbing from PTSD or you dissociate or you intellectualise as a defense, well they can all look like you're not anxious or upset about the issue. When in actual fact they've probably kicked in because you're too distressed.
Those are good points.
> Are you saying that if you post about death in an emotionless way, that will invoke a block?
It might... Sorry about not being more definitive, but this is something new, and I don't know exactly how it's going to go myself. But I think the general idea is clear, yes?
Bob
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