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Posted by fayeroe on July 10, 2005, at 13:24:25
i read references to Psych Central and wondered what PC had to do with anything here? maybe i'm dense, but i really can't see any reason for people to be worried about us. just curious. perhaps someone can explain it to me.
Posted by Miss Honeychurch on July 10, 2005, at 22:53:03
In reply to curious, posted by fayeroe on July 10, 2005, at 13:24:25
Hi fayeroe!
Just to play devil's advocate here, there seems to be plenty of discussion at PC about PB as well. I sort of just think it's human nature to compare, contrast, and talk about other communities. It seems to go thru cycles.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 11, 2005, at 11:23:37
In reply to Re: curious, posted by Miss Honeychurch on July 10, 2005, at 22:53:03
> there seems to be plenty of discussion at PC about PB as well. I sort of just think it's human nature to compare, contrast, and talk about other communities. It seems to go thru cycles.
I'm interested in how communities affect each other. Would you feel comfortable elaborating on your view of what's discussed, both here and there? And what you think might trigger the cycles?
I think I should add that this should of course be civil. Is there a tendency to accuse or put down other communities? To have difficulty co-existing?
Bob
Posted by fayeroe on July 11, 2005, at 16:06:26
In reply to Re: talk about other communities, posted by Dr. Bob on July 11, 2005, at 11:23:37
> > there seems to be plenty of discussion at PC about PB as well. I sort of just think it's human nature to compare, contrast, and talk about other communities. It seems to go thru cycles.
>
> I'm interested in how communities affect each other. Would you feel comfortable elaborating on your view of what's discussed, both here and there? And what you think might trigger the cycles?
>
> I think I should add that this should of course be civil. Is there a tendency to accuse or put down other communities? To have difficulty co-existing?
>
> Bobthe discussions are usually precipitated when someone gets "blocked" and comes over to PC. sometimes the discussion is about the "block" and sometimes it's about the difference in the forums.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 12, 2005, at 1:45:37
In reply to Re: talk about other communities, posted by fayeroe on July 11, 2005, at 16:06:26
> the discussions are usually precipitated when someone gets "blocked" and comes over to PC. sometimes the discussion is about the "block" and sometimes it's about the difference in the forums.
Thanks for replying. So it could be seen as a refuge? Or a place to vent? May I ask what people see as the differences in the forums?
Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on July 12, 2005, at 2:18:44
In reply to Re: talk about other communities, posted by Dr. Bob on July 12, 2005, at 1:45:37
Things I've noticed...
-No admin board. Problems are supposed to be dealt with via PM (babblemail equivalent)
-You aren't allowed to discuss / post PM's (hence admin issues) on the boards
-Threads will get locked so that nobody can post to them if they are escalating
-Threads will get deleted if viewed as unsupportive
-Decisions are made by a board of moderators
-Unasterisked swearing seems to be ok
-The boards seem to be more focused on support and sometimes educational stuff (such as discussing the existence of DID) is considered unsupportive (and is therefore deleted)There are other things...
Those are just the main differences that I've noticed.I think... And this is just my personal opinion but I think... That you require more of posters with respect to them coming to understand the civility rules and being able to abide by them. With the blocks as a consequence. Over there there don't really seem to be consequences as such, rather your posts just get vanished. That being said I think that if people persistently attack or post offensive posts then their account gets deleted.
You could go have a look you know ;-)
Doc John has been over here...
Posted by alexandra_k on July 12, 2005, at 4:13:18
In reply to Re: talk about other communities, posted by alexandra_k on July 12, 2005, at 2:18:44
And... Love 'em or hate 'em EMOTICONS!!!
They have grown on me rather...
And coloured text.
There are lots of different things.I think your personality is quite different to Doc Johns too... Being careful here... He can be fairly reactive while you can be like a fairly heavy rock that one is banging ones head against or trying to drag along somewhere...
I can see why the different forums are suited to different people.
And I can see why some people who don't do so well at one can do much much better at another.
I think the diversity is good.
People have more options.I really do like their individual stats. That was more what I was getting at when I asked you for stats before. Unfortunately, I think you would have to join and make a couple posts to access the feature ;-)
Posted by Ron Hill on July 12, 2005, at 12:44:08
In reply to Re: talk about other communities, posted by Dr. Bob on July 12, 2005, at 1:45:37
> May I ask what people see as the differences in the forums?
> BobFor me, I prefer the display format at PB for the lists of posts on the various boards. I don't like having to open each thread before I know who posted in the thread and the title of their post.
-- Ron
Posted by alexandra_k on July 12, 2005, at 21:13:20
In reply to Re: Differences Between PB and PC » Dr. Bob, posted by Ron Hill on July 12, 2005, at 12:44:08
I think there is a tendancy for people who are disgruntled over here to go over there and get a fair amount of sympathy.
Mostly people who are disgruntled with blocks / the civility rules.
One thing that can be hard is in assessing what is said at PC via the rules over here. And conversely assessing what is said over here via the rules over there.
Thats what I found really hard: Getting posts deleted that were perfectly civil. But then it really doesn't work like that. But it can be fairly hard to get your head around.
I think the general flow of people seems to be from this site to that site rather than the other way around. But then thats probably because people get blocked from here who don't get into so much trouble over there. Whereas a person who's account gets deleted from that site would likely rack up the blocks pretty quick from over here too...
Oh.
And no religion or politics.
PREVENT conflict.
That seems to be the general spirit. If you prevent it then the boards can be a safe, supportive haven.
Whereas here people are given more leeway to hash out their differences (so long as they do so within civility guidelines).I have been told that PC is NOT an appropriate place to learn conflict resolution.
Whereas over here I think I learn a lot about conflict and conflict resolution.
Depends if you are more focused on safety and support or whether you are more focused on being called on your sh*t every now and then and learning how to deal with conflict within civility guidelines I suppose...
Does this seem fair to other people???
Have others thought this too or is this just my strangeness???
Posted by Tabitha on July 13, 2005, at 1:00:18
In reply to Re: Differences Between PB and PC, posted by alexandra_k on July 12, 2005, at 21:13:20
I think you've summed up the differences pretty well. Oh, and also I don't think PC gets indexed by search engines. I've never seen a PC post show up in a google search, whereas PB posts show up really high. I'd guess that Dr Bob's site has more members and more turnover partly due to the higher visibility.
Posted by 10derHeart on July 13, 2005, at 1:07:53
In reply to Re: talk about other communities, posted by alexandra_k on July 12, 2005, at 4:13:18
>>you can be like a fairly heavy rock that one is banging ones head against or trying to drag along somewhere...
Aw, com'on, Alex, don't hold back. Just say what you REALLY think, why don't you? ;-)
Poor Dr. Bob...but that mental picture you paint did make me nearly fall out of my chair giggling...
Of course, as my ex-T said after calling me "extrememly challenging" (= difficult, and I was/am!)..."...but I mean that in the MOST respectful way possible."
Dr. Bob, the Fairly Heavy Rock.
Oh, Alex, you're so cool.ps (Alex still loves ya' DB, I know she really does!)
Posted by fayeroe on July 13, 2005, at 5:13:06
In reply to Re: Differences Between PB and PC » Dr. Bob, posted by Ron Hill on July 12, 2005, at 12:44:08
> > May I ask what people see as the differences in the forums?
>
> > Bob
>
> For me, I prefer the display format at PB for the lists of posts on the various boards. I don't like having to open each thread before I know who posted in the thread and the title of their post.
>
> -- RonRon, you can see who wrote the post and the subject line, before you read it at PC.
Posted by fayeroe on July 13, 2005, at 5:44:23
In reply to Re: Differences Between PB and PC » alexandra_k, posted by Tabitha on July 13, 2005, at 1:00:18
> I think you've summed up the differences pretty well. Oh, and also I don't think PC gets indexed by search engines. I've never seen a PC post show up in a google search, whereas PB posts show up really high. I'd guess that Dr Bob's site has more members and more turnover partly due to the higher visibility.
PC shows up in search engines.
I'm a little puzzled, as I asked a question and it's turned into the differences between Babble and PC.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 13, 2005, at 9:59:02
In reply to Re: Differences Between PB and PC » alexandra_k, posted by Tabitha on July 13, 2005, at 1:00:18
Nice to see you.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on July 13, 2005, at 10:01:20
In reply to Re: Differences Between PB and PC, posted by fayeroe on July 13, 2005, at 5:44:23
>
> PC shows up in search engines.I don't think individual posts do, do they?
>
> I'm a little puzzled, as I asked a question and it's turned into the differences between Babble and PC.Probably because of this: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20050628/msgs/526559.html
gg
>
Posted by alexandra_k on July 13, 2005, at 16:15:58
In reply to curious, posted by fayeroe on July 10, 2005, at 13:24:25
Do you think we talk about PC more over here then posters talk about PB over there?
> i read references to Psych Central and wondered what PC had to do with anything here? maybe i'm dense, but i really can't see any reason for people to be worried about us. just curious. perhaps someone can explain it to me.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 13, 2005, at 16:23:45
In reply to Re: sorry to interrupt, but can't help it... » alexandra_k, posted by 10derHeart on July 13, 2005, at 1:07:53
Well... Glad you got a giggle out of it :-)
I really did mean that in the most respectful way possible. I'm not too good at this, sorry about that.I just mean that Doc John seems to be more responsive which sometimes may be perceived as being fairly reactive. Dr Bob seems to be consistently rather careful with what he does say which sometimes can be perceived as being rather aloof / distant.
I just think they kind of go in different directions when under pressure. I've never seen Dr Bob respond out of anger or anything like that - but then he seems to get more distant and cryptic with his remarks instead.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 13, 2005, at 17:47:51
In reply to Re: sorry to interrupt, but can't help it... » 10derHeart, posted by alexandra_k on July 13, 2005, at 16:23:45
...And that that probably goes some way towards explaining the differences between the two boards. Dr Bob does not seem to have a problem with being civil - even when posters turn on him and attack him. So I guess he doesn't think it is such a very big ask. Doc John probably has more sympathy with people getting annoyed / f*cked off / frustrated in response to people who aren't being supportive. More sympathy for people being a bit reactive.
And even the look of the boards...
Emoticons vs a clearer, more readable format.And now I've probably said more than enough...
Posted by Dinah on July 13, 2005, at 18:13:07
In reply to Re: sorry to interrupt, but can't help it..., posted by alexandra_k on July 13, 2005, at 17:47:51
I think that's pretty insightful.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 13, 2005, at 18:22:32
In reply to :-) » alexandra_k, posted by Dinah on July 13, 2005, at 18:13:07
> I think that's pretty insightful.
Thankyou.
I find it pretty amazing how through all the conflict... Despite all the personal attacks etc etc he manages to remain a perfectly civil rock making sensible (though not always perfect) decisions.
:-)
I know people get pissed sometimes and feel frustrated and I have had times where I felt mad 'cause I thought he was rather too stubborn. But then... He does seem to be fairly centered and self-controlled and we don't have to worry about sudden, unexpected changes to the forums. Thats the upside of most things turning into a rather long drawn out process... Is that everyone gets the chance to have a say and you can leave it for a while and come back to it latter and in the interim fairly much nothing has happened :-)
Posted by Dinah on July 13, 2005, at 18:40:41
In reply to Re: :-) » Dinah, posted by alexandra_k on July 13, 2005, at 18:22:32
I always say that people's worst qualities are the flip side of their strengths.
You can't have the best without taking the worst along with it.
Posted by Ron Hill on July 13, 2005, at 19:39:39
In reply to Re: Differences Between PB and PC, posted by fayeroe on July 13, 2005, at 5:13:06
> Ron, you can see who wrote the post and the subject line, before you read it at PC.
Well that shows how little I know about it. Thank you for correcting me, Fayeroe.
-- Ron
Posted by alexandra_k on July 13, 2005, at 19:53:31
In reply to Re: Thanks for the Correction » fayeroe, posted by Ron Hill on July 13, 2005, at 19:39:39
> > Ron, you can see who wrote the post and the subject line, before you read it at PC.
>
> Well that shows how little I know about it. Thank you for correcting me, Fayeroe.Though you were right about not being able to see who has contributed to the thread untill you have opened the thread.
Posted by Deneb on July 13, 2005, at 20:09:11
In reply to Re: sorry to interrupt, but can't help it... » 10derHeart, posted by alexandra_k on July 13, 2005, at 16:23:45
>I've never seen Dr Bob respond out of anger or anything like that
Perhaps Dr. Bob has mastered the art of meditation and does not feel anger or negative feelings. :-)
>- but then he seems to get more distant and cryptic with his remarks instead.
Ooooh...cryptic...I like that word. :-)
I think he's more humourous than cryptic...he probably laughs out loud often when reading some of our posts.
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on July 13, 2005, at 20:10:25
In reply to Re: sorry to interrupt, but can't help it... » alexandra_k, posted by Deneb on July 13, 2005, at 20:09:11
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